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  1. #601
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyris Flare View Post
    My favorite conspiracy about Democrats is assuming they have the competence, let alone the willpower, to actually accomplish any of the things conservatives are scared of.
    god it really is a amazing how right wingers blame capitalism doing what capitalism does on some "socialist" plot to silence them. like I'm sorry dude social media platforms have ads to sell and advertising agencies (along with most of society) don't care to pander to people who think COVID vaccines make you gay or whatever.
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  2. #602
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyris Flare View Post
    My favorite conspiracy about Democrats is assuming they have the competence, let alone the willpower, to actually accomplish any of the things conservatives are scared of.
    I see it through the lens of the below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Moore
    The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theories, is that conspiracy theorists believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting.

    The truth of the world is that it is actually chaotic. The truth is that it is not The Iluminati, or The Jewish Banking Conspiracy, or the Gray Alien Theory. The truth is far more frightening - Nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.

  3. #603
    Nothing funnier than calling something a conspiracy and thinking that resolves the issue.

  4. #604
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Nothing funnier than calling something a conspiracy and thinking that resolves the issue.
    That's kinda my point. People create conspiracy theories because it makes them feel better.

    EG. Blame China for COVID because it's easier than accepting responsibility for not stemming the spread in a home country sooner.

  5. #605
    Has this whole thing turned into a vast right-wing conspiracy yet?

  6. #606
    Quote Originally Posted by Aphelios View Post
    Has this whole thing turned into a vast right-wing conspiracy yet?
    Hillary Clinton says yes.(couldn't resist though most probably won't get the reference)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    That's kinda my point. People create conspiracy theories because it makes them feel better.

    EG. Blame China for COVID because it's easier than accepting responsibility for not stemming the spread in a home country sooner.
    Pretty much. Personally I don't even really see why COVID needs to be blamed on anyone. What's the point, how does it help, where does it get us while we're still in the crisis? All that really matters is effectively handling the virus and making sure people are safe. Look for the source afterwards, by all means - but that's not really the priority.

    It's like if you had a house party and the next morning you discovered that someone had shit on your kitchen floor. Wouldn't you clean it up before trying to find out who had done it? Surely the priority would be to clean it up entirely before it got stepped in and spread around the rest of your house while you were busy pointing fingers and trying to get to the bottom of whose shit it was. It doesn't matter where the shit came from until it's been entirely cleaned up, otherwise you're just making a bigger mess to deal with later. Then you can figure out who not to invite to another party.

    Conspiracy theorists stand in the kitchen pointing at the shit and coming up with crazy theories about so-and-so's brother who snuck into the party and shit on the floor because of something rude he thinks you did back in high school. Then they all go "Yeah, fuck that guy - can't believe he'd just shit on the floor like this. Look at it, it's so gross and stinky. Someone better find that guy and make him come here to clean it up".

    Meanwhile the shit goes undealt with, but at least people have someone to blame so they don't need to think about it.
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    Because fuck you, that's why.

  8. #608
    Quote Originally Posted by Aphelios View Post
    Has this whole thing turned into a vast right-wing conspiracy yet?
    its getting close. read some of the replies.

  9. #609
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfNone View Post
    its getting close. read some of the replies.
    It pretty much has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    YOu missed my point entirely and I do know about the 1st Amendment. My point is that the Democrats can't regulate speech themselves, so they have Twitter and Facebook do it for them. The founders of both are heavy donators to the Dems, so they will take down speech the Dems tell them too. Since it is Twitter and Facebook doing it, no first amendment violation. Dems now have the power to regulate speech and silence anyone who disagrees with them, hence a work around the 1st Amendment.
    They don’t though. You’re detached from reality.

    https://twitter.com/facebookstop10/s...810203650?s=21


    Get help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    It's less silly then people thinking it was a reference to a lawsuit that wouldn't become public for MONTHS
    Cosby was an open secret. Like Weinstein. Especially in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    If ghostcrawler was serious about his feeling guilty and should have spoke up… he’d do the unthinkable and turn witness for the state and testify against his friends and rat them out further

    Anyone can give empty words like sorry, will do better blah blah blah. Meaningless PR, but actions speak louder than words. Really want to apologize? Prove it, by going to the state and telling them everything they don’t know yet
    I'd love to see him bear witness, I'm sure he must have a couple of very interesting stories to share with the court. But something tells me that he'll weasel out like a real chump.
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    "Die, wold soul of *incomprehensible mumbling* with your death my plan to *incomoprehensible mumbling* finally fullfilled and *incomprehensible mumbling*!"

  12. #612
    Quote Originally Posted by Aphelios View Post
    Has this whole thing turned into a vast right-wing conspiracy yet?
    I'm on the accusers side.

    But, it's undeniable there is a lot of weird going on, on both sides.

    Bloomberg and DEFH blatantly mislead and spread misinformation to people. People largely still think that girl took her life from intense harassment at work and that Afrasabis office was nicknamed the Cosby suite because he was a sucha. sexual predator. Even if you're for the accusers, the blatant dishonesty these people did should bother you.

    The sexual harassment stuff is getting the attention when the actual legal case is almost entirely about wage inequity. The harassment, according to Hoeg law, seems to be in there to paint the picture it's an unfriendly and unfair environment for women, to strengthen their case for wage inequity, not to actually prosecute or punish people for it, like people seem to think.

    The women making the accusations are set to have huge pay days. I would not at all be surprised if many are the same ones on Twitter making waves, because they're heavily incentivized to want people believe it all and put more pressure on Blizzard. They're not totally doing it because they're "brave" like people are acting like.

    If you actually care about the truth, I don't see how you couldn't think it's a bit weird, but again, I'm still for the accusers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfNone View Post
    its getting close. read some of the replies.
    Oddly enough, it's usually hardcore right wingers who often resort to mUh cOnsPiRAcIeS every time that reality doesn't fit their narrow criteria.
    If the Janitor managed to pwn Azeroth:

    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    "Die, wold soul of *incomprehensible mumbling* with your death my plan to *incomoprehensible mumbling* finally fullfilled and *incomprehensible mumbling*!"

  14. #614
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    I'm on the accusers side.

    But, it's undeniable there is a lot of weird going on, on both sides.

    Bloomberg and DEFH blatantly mislead and spread misinformation to people. People largely still think that girl took her life from intense harassment at work and that Afrasabis office was nicknamed the Cosby suite because he was a sucha. sexual predator. Even if you're for the accusers, the blatant dishonesty these people did should bother you.

    The sexual harassment stuff is getting the attention when the actual legal case is almost entirely about wage inequity. The harassment, according to Hoeg law, seems to be in there to paint the picture it's an unfriendly and unfair environment for women, to strengthen their case for wage inequity, not to actually prosecute or punish people for it, like people seem to think.

    The women making the accusations are set to have huge pay days. I would not at all be surprised if many are the same ones on Twitter making waves, because they're heavily incentivized to want people believe it all and put more pressure on Blizzard. They're not totally doing it because they're "brave" like people are acting like.

    If you actually care about the truth, I don't see how you couldn't think it's a bit weird, but again, I'm still for the accusers.
    Whoop there it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphelios View Post
    Has this whole thing turned into a vast right-wing conspiracy yet?
    Someone called me a communist the other night because I thought it was reasonable for teams to interview and vet their candidates instead of people just being hired. If it isn't enormous then it's not uncommon for a team to sit in on interviews and have a say on what they thought of the candidate pool. Somehow that became socialism.

    So, maybe.

    Some symphony orchestras do this as a matter of course. If you have several people auditioning for a spot in the cello section, the applicants sit on the other side of a screen, the cello section on the other. The applicants play their auditions without anyone knowing anything about their gender, race or anything else. It's a pretty slick idea that could be adapted and modified to other situations.
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  16. #616
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgran View Post
    I find it very interesting how people think you can solve sexism with more sexism. Same goes for racism. Only solvable with more racism..
    If your police department consists of nothing but white officers who are regularly killing black people, it's generally considered a reasonable move to replace the chief with someone who is black in order to boost confidence that reform measures are more than simply lip-service. In Blizzard's case, so far all the management people have been making excuses for themselves or suggesting it didn't happen or was just a joke, etc. and I don't feel it's going to be possible for them to survive this until they have someone in charge who can't be accused of being just another sexist male.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post


    https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/sta...68265781010432

    Basically, Kosak and Greg were the ones that invited people to the Suite.
    I'm not sure if I want to discredit Greg's statement that he wasn't a part of it personally. People get away with doing shit like this behind peoples' backs, their own wife's backs. Maybe Greg really didn't know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyah View Post
    You are telling me that i'm looking at all of your chat groups from 2013 to now, there is not a single one where a joke about a minority or slang terms to describe someone has been used ?

    I'm pretty sure i can log into discord right now and check a community you are in as a wow player and today someone made an appropriate joke and the reactions would go from laughing to not caring.

    The same thing went for the director of guardian of the galaxy where they digged old racist tweets and he lost his job.

    I'm not saying this should be the norm, i'm just saying people shouldnt act like it's suddenly a shocker and start to dig every single out of context picture.
    Should there be a statute of limitations on texts and statements made immortal by the Internet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    Should there be a statute of limitations on texts and statements made immortal by the Internet?
    Maybe. It's true that people with unfriendly agendas often pull out quotes and things from years and years ago to make a point. That precludes the idea that people make mistakes, grow, or get better. Sometimes they do, sometimes not.

    To be honest: I think all these guys are guilty as sin, more with the texts than the published picture itself which could have its own context. The corporate culture they're a part of is still apparently in place. Just saying they're sorry isn't really enough.

    However, there are apparently other pictures that we haven't seen and haven't been mentioned a lot in any discussion here. I will quote:
    In one image procured by Kotaku, a group of women are sitting on a bed in the room with the Cosby portrait. One of the women appears to have a hand on another’s breast, which is cheered on by the men in the comments. According to the images procured by Kotaku, and two sources with knowledge of Afrasiabi’s alleged predatory behavior, Cosby’s reputation was apparently the point of why the group of men gathered around his picture in the photos.
    "Cos approved" has been reported elsewhere as a text comment about the picture. If true—and I'm fairly certain that the odds are good that this will get out eventually—it knocks the legs out from under the notion that the room was about Cosby's sweater or the walls of some conference room at Blizzard that looks perfectly normal. I'm reasonably certain that Kotaku didn't publish this picture as a gesture to protect the identities of the women involved. But the fact that it apparently does exist along with the text comments about cheering all of that on is, if anything, worse than what has everyone hopping up and down. Some may deny that there's any such picture but for now I'll take Kotaku's word for it. I suppose there hasn't been a lot of comment about it because you have to read nearly the entire article to find the paragraph but it was reported and it's another data point.

    Couple of links:
    https://kotaku.com/inside-blizzard-d...ite-1847378762
    https://www.gameinformer.com/2021/07...ll-cosby-suite
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  19. #619
    The sexual harassment is absolutely terrible but the group chat drama is so fucking lame. Them having a "cosby room" is just super unfortunate but theres no way they could have known about all the shit he did

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    I don't know why people keep trying to witch hunt greg, Like he commit the things in the accusations himself

    People keep making absurd claims that he "definetily" knew what happened, like what? or he is wrong by not knowing too? then we have to fire all of blizzard because everyone should know what happened and never did anything until now?

    It would not surprise me if people in those walk outs commit harassment or did a blind eye before. Or worse, they should have know what happened there and never take any action, we should witch hunt then too right? come on.

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