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  1. #621
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    The solution to nepotism is more nepotism. I'm sure there won't be any "hire/promote our buddies" going on with this.
    Most experts advocate for employee participation in hiring processes. The word choice "oversight" may be stronger than the request. A lot of blizzard problems (listed in the lawsuit) related to culture and accountability are improved with employee participation. There are a lot of statistics that demonstrate that it improves overall productivity as well. Not saying that nepotism couldn't be an issue, but additional perspectives does not equate to greater nepotism unless the employee participation selection process is flawed.

  2. #622
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    I don't know why people keep trying to witch hunt greg, Like he commit the things in the accusations himself

    People keep making absurd claims that he "definetily" knew what happened, like what? or he is wrong by not knowing too? then we have to fire all of blizzard because everyone should know what happened and never did anything until now?

    It would not surprise me if people in those walk outs commit harassment or did a blind eye before. Or worse, they should have know what happened there and never take any action, we should witch hunt then too right? come on.
    It's likely due to the group texts that he was in - while the only text screenshot with him in it I've seen was him responding to whether he was on the way, the group was the Blizzcon Cosby Crew, he is also in the photo in the "Cosby Suite". The situation is mildly damning, but not as severe as some of the comments I've seen.

  3. #623
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    I don't know why people keep trying to witch hunt greg, Like he commit the things in the accusations himself
    Street shot himself in the foot by releasing a public statement with the usual platitudes a day before all this stuff dropped. Regardless of how much he knew and/or saw he really damaged his credibility doing that,
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  4. #624
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    Quote Originally Posted by drukai View Post
    It's likely due to the group texts that he was in - while the only text screenshot with him in it I've seen was him responding to whether he was on the way, the group was the Blizzcon Cosby Crew, he is also in the photo in the "Cosby Suite". The situation is mildly damning, but not as severe as some of the comments I've seen.
    It is probably because the Cosby show, that was famous, even i knew he had a show and didn't knew about the allegations until much later and i not even from usa.

    Maybe some people knew(prob afrasiabi) and did that on purpose, but others could not possible know and though it was just because of the show., trying to blame everyone else on that is just bonkers, pure witchhunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    Street shot himself in the foot by releasing a public statement with the usual platitudes a day before all this stuff dropped. Regardless of how much he knew and/or saw he really damaged his credibility doing that,
    nothing he said before rly backfire anything, the screenshot is old and out of context, some people knew just because of his show.

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    Seems completely reasonable that people would have thought of the Cosby room as something other than a rape room. Comedy room? Funny room? Room that has the Cosby show streaming 24/7?

    I can't roll my eyes enough at the notion that people would have been unaware of what the name "Cosby Room" implied. Granted, I have met some pretty big idiots along the way, so, who the fuck knows.

  6. #626
    SO the response from Blizzard to all of this? To keep the employees from unionizing and covering their own asses. What cowards:

    "To help accomplish that, the company has retained the services of prestigious law firm WilmerHale, which is the same law firm helping Amazon keep its workers from unionizing. Considering ongoing efforts to unionize game workers, the partnership is a little concerning."

    https://kotaku.com/activision-blizza...ers-1847386654

    Never playing again unless some people are CANNED and the employees are put FIRST. This tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about Blizz now.

  7. #627
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwijello View Post
    SO the response from Blizzard to all of this? To keep the employees from unionizing and covering their own asses. What cowards:

    "To help accomplish that, the company has retained the services of prestigious law firm WilmerHale, which is the same law firm helping Amazon keep its workers from unionizing. Considering ongoing efforts to unionize game workers, the partnership is a little concerning."

    https://kotaku.com/activision-blizza...ers-1847386654

    Never playing again unless some people are CANNED and the employees are put FIRST. This tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about Blizz now.
    yep, all the more reason to not play a single Activison-blizzard game for the time being.

  8. #628
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwijello View Post
    SO the response from Blizzard to all of this? To keep the employees from unionizing and covering their own asses. What cowards:

    "To help accomplish that, the company has retained the services of prestigious law firm WilmerHale, which is the same law firm helping Amazon keep its workers from unionizing. Considering ongoing efforts to unionize game workers, the partnership is a little concerning."

    https://kotaku.com/activision-blizza...ers-1847386654

    Never playing again unless some people are CANNED and the employees are put FIRST. This tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about Blizz now.
    Yup - this was the thing that broke it for me - I wanted to hang onto the sub because there are plenty of employees who work at Blizz who want to do the right thing and want to uphold the values that Blizzard claims, but instead of going with something like a public recommendation from a major national labor organization, they decided to go with the lawyers they already had on hand. Real bad optics there, and it shows that Kotick doesn't give a flying fuck about resolving this issue.

  9. #629
    Quote Originally Posted by drukai View Post
    Yup - this was the thing that broke it for me - I wanted to hang onto the sub because there are plenty of employees who work at Blizz who want to do the right thing and want to uphold the values that Blizzard claims, but instead of going with something like a public recommendation from a major national labor organization, they decided to go with the lawyers they already had on hand. Real bad optics there, and it shows that Kotick doesn't give a flying fuck about resolving this issue.
    My sub ran out today. This is the first time I have walked away and have no desire to go back. I hope Blizzard folds at this point. NOT because I don't want people to have their game, as that is ALL I wanted all along, but because this company is a cesspool and needs to be drained.

    I hope they sell the IP to someone who RESPECTS it and can bring it back to some RESPECT with the fans and players. Blizz will NEVER be able to do that.

  10. #630
    "According to Kotaku" is a line that should automatically disqualify anything that follows, even if it was "gravity exists" I'd start doubting it just from that.

  11. #631
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwijello View Post
    I hope they sell the IP to someone who RESPECTS it and can bring it back to some RESPECT with the fans and players. Blizz will NEVER be able to do that.
    Be careful what you wish for. I don't think this is going to happen but a prime candidate for a buyer would be Tencent. I don't know that that would be better. I rather imagine not.

    On the other side of this I too would like to see Blizzard's management cleaned out once facts are known. I'm not in favor of putting everyone at Blizzard HQ out of work though.

    Blizzard employees have requested that they be the ones that select the law firm or entity that will audit management practices. Many here have gone completely off the rails and declared that socialism or communism (or something). I think it's a good idea and an easy concession for Santa Monica to make.
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  12. #632
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    I'm on the accusers side.

    But, it's undeniable there is a lot of weird going on, on both sides.

    Bloomberg and DEFH blatantly mislead and spread misinformation to people. People largely still think that girl took her life from intense harassment at work and that Afrasabis office was nicknamed the Cosby suite because he was a sucha. sexual predator. Even if you're for the accusers, the blatant dishonesty these people did should bother you.

    The sexual harassment stuff is getting the attention when the actual legal case is almost entirely about wage inequity. The harassment, according to Hoeg law, seems to be in there to paint the picture it's an unfriendly and unfair environment for women, to strengthen their case for wage inequity, not to actually prosecute or punish people for it, like people seem to think.

    The women making the accusations are set to have huge pay days. I would not at all be surprised if many are the same ones on Twitter making waves, because they're heavily incentivized to want people believe it all and put more pressure on Blizzard. They're not totally doing it because they're "brave" like people are acting like.

    If you actually care about the truth, I don't see how you couldn't think it's a bit weird, but again, I'm still for the accusers.
    That's the issue though, most people hearing of this don't care about the truth, they just wanna wave their pitchforks and enjoy the pleasure of being an angry mob.

  13. #633
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Be careful what you wish for. I don't think this is going to happen but a prime candidate for a buyer would be Tencent. I don't know that that would be better. I rather imagine not.

    On the other side of this I too would like to see Blizzard's management cleaned out once facts are known. I'm not in favor of putting everyone at Blizzard HQ out of work though.
    If it doesn't happen, I, and I am sure A LOT of others, will never log into Wow or any other Activision/Blizzard game again. I cannot and will not support this company when this is the response to employee abuse. Abuse them MORE and block any protections for them. Cowards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nimin View Post
    "According to Kotaku" is a line that should automatically disqualify anything that follows, even if it was "gravity exists" I'd start doubting it just from that.
    They only reported it. Blizz outright said they hired the law firm and they hired them because they successfully stopped unionization for Amazon. Don't have to like the source, but in this case, the source is Blizzard.

  14. #634
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwijello View Post
    They only reported it. Blizz outright said they hired the law firm and they hired them because they successfully stopped unionization for Amazon. Don't have to like the source, but in this case, the source is Blizzard.
    I'm going to split some hairs on that. Kotick in Santa Monica hired the law firm. Blizzard in Anaheim had no say in it.
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  15. #635
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    I don't know why people keep trying to witch hunt greg, Like he commit the things in the accusations himself
    Because it's witch hunt time on twitter. Seriously. Some of these people consider themselves judge, jury and executioner.

  16. #636
    Quote Originally Posted by Berndorf View Post
    That's not entirely true. There had been accusations made about him prior to that going back to many years earlier that simply weren't prosecuted and there were rumors about him partaking in that sort of behavior for quite a while as well. Thus why you had comedians calling him out for it on stage. More so in certain circles. It is quite possible that the devs who gathered in the Cosby suite were fully aware of those rumors.
    And aside from one settlement (that didn't get much media attention at the time anyway), nothing really came out of those. Cosby's reputation and career were still fine in the first half of 2014 (as in , even after the Blizzcon in question) and it's only the barrage of accusations from that year that changed it.
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  17. #637
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    And aside from one settlement (that didn't get much media attention at the time anyway), nothing really came out of those. Cosby's reputation and career were still fine in the first half of 2014 (as in , even after the Blizzcon in question) and it's only the barrage of accusations from that year that changed it.
    I wouldn't actually argue that the suite was there so they could drug and rape women. Regardless of the name, I don't think anything that bad happened there unless some women who visited there are going to start popping up with first hand accounts of what happened to them. I think that suite was more or less an extension of how the higher ups you used it viewed Blizzard and its fans though. As a big playground where they could get drunk and shuttle women into under the guise of networking or getting to party with wow bigwigs who basically got treated like rockstars within the context of Blizzcon. Whether that in itself is wrong would be up the person to decide.

  18. #638
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    "Cos approved" has been reported elsewhere as a text comment about the picture. If true it knocks the legs out from under the notion that the room was about Cosby's sweater or the walls of some conference room at Blizzard that looks perfectly normal.
    Considering they called themselves the "BlizzCon Cosby Crew", isn't it very likely that "Cos approved" would just mean either "approved by the Blizzcon Cosby crew" or "approved by/for the 'Cosby Suite'?

    In the group chat, after a message that one is at the bar, another replies "Come up to the cos". Seems to me "cos" is just a diminuitive they used to refer to the suite and/or their group.
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  19. #639
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    Shockingly I don't have group chats with my co-workers about acquiring women to ply with alcohol and attempt to gain sexual advantage of at work events. If you do you might wish to report those people to the police.
    Neither did they. You merrily added the parts about plying anyone with alcohol and anything pertaining to sexual advantages all by yourself. Also, yea, BlizzCon is a super serious work. Especially the after hours when people party in their free time. Something something shrieking MRAs
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    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    I'm quite tired of people who dislike something/disagree with something while attacking/insulting anyone that disagrees. Its as if at some point, people forgot how opinions work.

  20. #640
    Are there petitions for renaming McCree from Overwatch and the Mac'Aree zone on Argus from World of Warcraft already?

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