Upcoming Shards of Domination Set Bonus Buffs, Spit Emote Removed on TBC Classic PTR

[OldPerson]

Because the parameters are different. You're not ACTUALLY killing anyone - they come back to life immediately, no harm done. But the emotional damage done by toxic behaviors has real and lasting consequences. Characters dying in-game does not.

This isn't about what's being done to CHARACTERS, it's about what's being done to PLAYERS.

/spit is also being done to a character and not the player. It also does not kill the character. Doesn't even slow the character down.

The "toxic" behavior in the game typically seems to revolve around elitism and the "have vs the have nots". Has nothing to do with emotes or /<whatevr>. People may also need to recognize when they are not able to separate themselves from their character in game and learn when to step away and take a breather.

Seems to me if they want to reduce toxic behavior they would need to remove players ability (in game and on other sites) from viewing other players in any way. Can't look at gear. Remove gear score. Can't look at talents. Block any and all outside sites and sources from accessing game data. Etc. Gamers would also need to revert to a mindset where a 2 hour dungeon run (exaggerated example) is not such a big deal and not expect everyone who plays the game to spend weeks studying before playing.

Devil is always in the details and I'm likely not hitting the nail right on the head here. I just think they have the wrong idea about how to mitigate the issue at hand.

[Nalam the Venom]

that makes the developer proud and happy

This is the thing that they Usually strive towards.

They have little thought of off what players actually want

[munkeyinorbit]

Based on... what?

Besides your imagination ofcourse.

Based on having emote in the game for 17 years and then all of a sudden LOOK AT US WE ARE SUXH A PROGRESSIVE COMPANY THAT SDOESNT HAVE RAPISTS IN IT.

[thunderdragon2]

This is an attempt to make it look like the problem are the players, and they are trying to improve the game with pointless changes like this, punishing customers.

well sadly hes not wrong wow is a pretty toxic game, but you are right that he's looking at the wrong issue atm

[Engal]

well sadly hes not wrong wow is a pretty toxic game, but you are right that he's looking at the wrong issue atm

Compared to LoL , wow is a child playground in term of toxicity and harassment

[Twdft]

Because /rude, /insult, /fart, /pick and others are still in the game because they aren't, currently, being used to 'offend' people in-game.

It's funny we can kill people, loot corpses, skin animals, burn houses and crops, not to mention straight up genocide in various quests and activities but spitting is across the line.

And all those emotes are still in the game because noone made an addon to auto insult others for no reason. Thank the addon other and every idiot using it for the removal, if they insulted manually nothing would have happened.

[Vintersol]

People who feel harmed from emotes from a random internet stranger should think about theid mind. Geez....

[Enter Name Here]

removing the chat altogether should cover a large amount

[Wries]

First, shut up, there are valid issues.

Second, Asmon gold is the furthest thing from "woke" in the community, aside from his own fanbase. I've heard he has in the past been the one encouraging his fans to /spit on players using store mounts and I have no problem believing that to be the case.

He himself has valid criticisms of the game but they're all wrapped up in exactly the kind of toxicity that eventually blossoms into what's been going on at Blizzard.

How would it blossom out into sexual harrasment exactly? There are always these vague "it's a slippery slope" kinds of arguments that make no sense to me. Asmon is quite a character who's encouraging a "back to the school playground"-type mentality in a videogame, but never have I gotten any reason to believe that he'd disrespect women in such manners that have been going on at Blizzard.

[Dawon]

I never use the /spit, I rage when I get /spit on when I am killed in pvp but JESUS the "omg I'm soooo offended"-people need to get the fuck off our planet. What's next? Remove /lol as someone might cry in their shower after being lol'd at?

[cybernoid]

Based on having emote in the game for 17 years and then all of a sudden LOOK AT US WE ARE SUXH A PROGRESSIVE COMPANY THAT SDOESNT HAVE RAPISTS IN IT.

Just you wait until them rapists start checking out your slutmog, clearly a danger to society /s

[panda040]

NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST SPIT ON PLAYERS FOR BUYING A MOUNT AGAINST THE ENTIRE IDEA OF CLASSIC TBC

while were add it, just remove /slap /frown and any of negative emote in the game because we cant have mean people in a world where your fee fees might get hurt by an emote

[rrayy]

Can't tell if that Bald One comment is sarcastic or sincere, considering he was one of the many who promoted it when 6-month sub mounts started happening.

It's a futile gesture and Muffinus has it all backwards. They truly do not understand the issues this game has. /spit in Classic is a consequence of bad decision making. Not inherent toxicity in the player base. In any case, people will use /fart, /pick and /slap emotes now. Are they going to sterilize the game from that as well? Might as well disable all chat functions then.

You obviously didn't read how they fixed it. They didn't remove the emotes. Just the ability to use them against players. Tha tis all they have to do. And who are you to dictate what are bad decisions? The /spit incident is a consequence of a minority of childish bullies trying to dictate what can and cannot be in game. Those players need to grow up.

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The way I see it, Shop connoisseurs make in-game tickets that go something like ''I was /spit on because I ride my 25 Euro mount and I don't like it'', that goes through GM's to the bean counters and the bean counters value their Shop connoisseurs more than the vast majority of the player base.

Those anti-shop people are not "the vast majority of players" .they are a vocal minority. The actual vast majority do not care one way or the other. Stop trying to act li9ke the majority agree with you,

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NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST SPIT ON PLAYERS FOR BUYING A MOUNT AGAINST THE ENTIRE IDEA OF CLASSIC TBC

while were add it, just remove /slap /frown and any of negative emote in the game because we cant have mean people in a world where your fee fees might get hurt by an emote

Agagin, the /spit emote is not removed from the game. All that was removed is the ability to do it to other players. You are free to /spit om any npc you want to your heart's content.

[Rageonit]

Because /spit is like kicking a puppy?

Depends how hard you kick. Honestly, if you don't do it with full force, the puppy should be totally fine. Besides, there are bigger problems in the world to worry about it too much.

[panda040]

You obviously didn't read how they fixed it. They didn't remove the emotes. Just the ability to use them against players. Tha tis all they have to do. And who are you to dictate what are bad decisions? The /spit incident is a consequence of a minority of childish bullies trying to dictate what can and cannot be in game. Those players need to grow up.

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Those anti-shop people are not "the vast majority of players" .they are a vocal minority. The actual vast majority do not care one way or the other. Stop trying to act li9ke the majority agree with you,

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Agagin, the /spit emote is not removed from the game. All that was removed is the ability to do it to other players. You are free to /spit om any npc you want to your heart's content.

Oh shut up, the whole point is that you can't do it to players. It's about the principle, I don't need blizzard to be my parents and shield me from someone targeting me and typing in /spit on their key board, grow a fucking spine lol.

[rrayy]

/spit is also being done to a character and not the player. It also does not kill the character. Doesn't even slow the character down.

Where this fails is it doesn't address intent. People are doing that because they are harrassing people who bought the shop mount. That should not be tolerated in any way.

The "toxic" behavior in the game typically seems to revolve around elitism and the "have vs the have nots". Has nothing to do with emotes or /<whatevr>. People may also need to recognize when they are not able to separate themselves from their character in game and learn when to step away and take a breather.

This is nothing more than making excuses for players harrassing other player and blaming the victim. This behavior is part of the problem.

Seems to me if they want to reduce toxic behavior they would need to remove players ability (in game and on other sites) from viewing other players in any way. Can't look at gear. Remove gear score. Can't look at talents. Block any and all outside sites and sources from accessing game data. Etc. Gamers would also need to revert to a mindset where a 2 hour dungeon run (exaggerated example) is not such a big deal and not expect everyone who plays the game to spend weeks studying before playing.

Sever strtawman irrelevant to the point at hand. IN this case, players are harrasing others for something they did outside the game, not within game play.

Devil is always in the details and I'm likely not hitting the nail right on the head here. I just think they have the wrong idea about how to mitigate the issue at hand.

To address people harrassing others because the bought a shop mount, this is the right idea. All they have to do is remove the ability to target other players when using ANY remote.

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Oh shut up, the whole point is that you can't do it to players. It's about the principle, I don't need blizzard to be my parents and shield me from someone targeting me and typing in /spit on their key board, grow a fucking spine lol.

I have a better idea. how about you grow up and not harrass other players? That is obvious why you are mad. The fact that you need to be a jerk to other players to have fun is very disturbing.

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This is the thing that they Usually strive towards.

They have little thought of off what players actually want

They have a lot of thought of what players want. What you are really saying is that they don't have enough thought about what YOU want. But you are not the only one playing the game and not everyone agrees with you on how the game should be. Taht is what ther devs have to deal with. Millions of players with a million different opinions,. Yours is not the only one.

[Adcap6]

Everyone here commenting the fact, "Why don't yah just remove chat all together" careful what you wish/insert sarcasm/joke for here. Bungie did it, as we can NOT use local/general chat at all in any space (PC Version) due to children unable to restrain themselves and I use the word 'children' loosely here. What the comments here suggest shows exactly why more than likely chat will be severely restricted along with emotes. You made your bed, now sleep in it...*shrugs* More you take a stand and fight the good fight, shows exactly why it has to be done unfortunately.

[Souflikar]

This is ridiculous. In-game we can kill one another, t-bag one another after killing but we can't spit? So this will help "fix" Blizzards internal issues, how? This is nothing more than an impulsive move to try and calm people/groups down. Pandering! When is enough enough? What else gets removed? You can take out every fucking bit/byte in the game but that's not going to fix Blizzards internal problems. Don't try to distract from the real problem by ruining the player experience even more, it's bad enough as is. It's simple, terminate anyone who was involved in these perverse activities. YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE! Terminate anyone in a position of management who knew and did nothing to stop this. YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE! Hire people who actually care about people. Hire people who actually care about the game.

[Rhelyo]

Sadly LGBT is growing more and more with each passing day in games and RL. Removing /spit command from the game is just the beginning.
If you remove the /spit because people might get offended, for sure next ones are /sexy (because on the other end of the pc might be a female playing which might find it offensive), /rude , /pick and many others.
-Some NPCs are wearing less clothes than they should (Succubus,shivvaras) so they might get a new outfit so people dont get turned on because hey its a new era
-remove some costumes ingame like bikinis or better yet if you remove all your character's equipment your character will be dressed in pajamas
-Removing pvp because it is bad to kill a character in game,other guy getting the killing blow might become emotionally unstable
-the quests during brewfest that require you to mount the ram will be removed from the game because its cruelty to animals to whip them constantly.

I can think of so many shenanigans LGBT will pull that at the end of the day we will play a pixel that you need to move to another pixel and thats the game.

[Biomega]

Here's how I see it. Imagine trying to solve a house fire with a single glass of water when the arsonist is already busy setting the neighbouring houses on fire.

You need to take care of the arsonist if you really want to change anything.

You're right in that the root cause needs to be addressed.

But your argument is effectively "why are we putting out fires, when there's an arsonist to catch?" - when there's nothing saying we can't DO BOTH. And in that arsonist example, no one in their right mind would NOT put out fires just because the arsonist is still on the loose. You're implying there's a dichotomy of one vs. the other, when that just isn't the case. One does not preclude the other, in any way.

I'd argue that killing ones avatar at the end of their long escort quest or razing their powerful buffs has faaar greater consequences on them than just reading "xxx is spitting on you" in chat... but... what do I know?

That's one very specific example, which to many people might not even happen at all, and if it does will happen in very isolated, very sporadic incidents - while the other may happen repeatedly, insistently, over long times. Also, characters dying - even in frustrating circumstances - is much more "part of the game" than other people being abuse towards you. And just to be clear: if someone WAS repeatedly and insistently killing your character as you're trying to complete an escort quests, you'd probably have a good case to have them actioned against for harassment. Even in War Mode/on PvP servers you don't have license to consistently grief people through kills.