View Poll Results: Do you like the Shadowlands story?

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  • I like it

    46 12.07%
  • I do not like it

    261 68.50%
  • Indifferent

    74 19.42%
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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyvamp View Post
    That is how i feel when i see a thread that has X,Y,Z influencer's opinion video about how things should or should not be.



    Tell you what we can do next.
    Let's all grab hands and jump of the ledge like lemmings.


    The amount of influence these people have on the community is just scary.
    They do represent the bullhorn of the community. There's plenty of people I would've added such as Nobbel and Tae but you all know they are bound to NDA's and contracts and which so they cannot fully express themselves. Heelz would've be another but that guy is nothing but negativity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    It's almost as if people have different tastes. Some people will find BFA amazing, others will find Shadowlands, or Wrath of the Lich King. Not sure why you are "cringing" or "disappointed" when people express different tastes of what they like. It's like reading a book, watching a tv show or a movie. Some people will find it amazing while others will find it not that great.
    These same people saying BFA was good are the same people one year ago saying how bad it was. thank you next
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

  2. #142
    This is nice story...

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    it's a shit show, started with the lich king being such a pushover against all-mighty sylvanus

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Tamurello View Post
    Plot was okish up to and including MoP, not Tolkien but OK

    It has been a hot tub of manure since with the possible exception of Legion which was basically TBC part 2
    I would agree. I’d also include WoD as not to terrible lore wise, since we got backstory on the Warlords, and their Clans. And yeah while Cataclysm sucked, the lore was at least good as it dealt with Deathwing and the Elemental Lords.

    Shadowlands is such a hot fucking mess though.

    1. Sylvanas just casually defeats the Lich King and tears the Helm of Domination in two.
    2. Anduin becomes pseudo Lich King for the Jailer
    3. Tyrande wants to get even on Sylvanas, but Sylvanas is 100% getting redeemed, so that’s a wasted story arc.
    3. Zovaal is Thanos
    4. Sylvanas says “I will never serve”, after already have been serving.
    5. The Jailer throws Sylvanas soul back at her thinking the others will kill her, and she”ll get sent to the Maw, instead of him just outright killing her.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    you'd still have taken the genie out of the battle for a story that's disposable and has to spend much of its main story runtime resolving plot threads in different, but equally incompetent ways to BFA.
    Suppose everything is restored as normal, then every time a character dies, people would have a legitimate question as to where they are in the Shadowlands right now. Which zone did the Arbiter send them to?

    It's an ugly idea in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    3. Zovaal is Thanos
    He wishes he had the stature and wisdom of Thanos.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    I'm not going to claim the writing is good in Shadowlands, but the rose-colored glasses are very strong when it comes to WoW's characters/story. I've also been rather convinced for a long time that there is a not unsizeable portion of the fan base that thinks the story never should have progressed past WC3, and reflexively objects to most lore developments.
    This. Story in WoW has never been that deep, has stolen -um - borrowed elements from other franchises here and there, so I don't expect much, anyway.
    Sylvanas firing her arrow at the jailer looks to me like a bad copy of the Hunger Games finale.

    I know that I would have written the story completely different starting with BfA. And I am only a RPG storyteller and indie fantasy author (German language though, so you surely would not know me).

    But there are still some things I do enjoy in this game, they manage to create interesting characters now and then, so for now I am indifferent. I enjoy my small stories and try to ignore the rest as good as I can.

  7. #147
    How surprising, Shadowlands story happened to be as bad and nonsensical as BFA, if not even worse. The writers were clearly not picked with much difficulty nor did they learn their lessons after BFA.

    I am so tired of Sylvanas and her story, her being a creator pet alongsise Anduin, and of how little karma she ever suffer for the crimes and atrocities she commited. Zovaal is the blandest and most anticlimatic villain in Warcraft history, and I wasn't by the retcons of him being supposed to be behind the Scourge and the Nathrezims.

    And it would have been better if they kept the mystery around Elune or gave a real purpose to the Night Warrior plot.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by peepeepoopants View Post
    The problem with Shadowlands story is how badly it has retroactively fucked the entire story of Warcraft. Sargeras, who was the ultimate evil for the majority of the game, was actually just a bitch. So were the Titans. Lich King was just a pawn. The Warcraft games don't really make sense anymore. The Warcraft 3 scourge campaign is now just all of the Jailer's underlings fighting each other, just because. This is the problem. In a world that was making tenuous sense at best, they've set what little logic there was on fire.
    It is nice that they harken back to the original lore before TBC accidentally retconned things from the Dreadlords corrupting Sargeras.

  9. #149
    I mean I think one of the biggest problems right now, is the lead writers are too used to writing novels and books a Books story is different oa game one which changes each patch.

    Another thing they are doing is planning ahead of time, they are planning the next patch or next expansion story thats all well and good but when you leave to many cliffhangers, leading to the nest story its gonna piss people off
    But i think the biggest problem and this is a problem thats happened since wod. Is telling the story through external methods.

    Okay so we end mop defeating Garrosh and hes going to be on trial great. We go into WoD going back in time,o a alternative dimension and garrosh is there, If you didnt read war crimes youd be so lost.

    And yes as someone else pointed out the major problem is it retconns alot of warcraft past so for example it makes the wc3 scourge campaign pretty meaningless, since its all jailers followers fighting one another for no reason.

    And it Ruins Kelthzard and Arthas Relationship When i first did the undead campaign i generally saw Kel as his second in command
    Last edited by Romanthony; 2021-08-02 at 03:55 PM.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    People have been complaining about stupid stories, retcons and poor character development at least since TBC. The only difference nowadays is there is a couple of e-celebs to provide opinions for people to rally around.
    The story has never been treated so badly and torn to shambles like it has been in recent years don't give me that ''it's always been like this''

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Romanthony View Post
    I mean I think one of the biggest problems right now, is the lead writers are too used to writing novels and books a Books story is different oa game one which changes each patch.

    Another thing they are doing is planning ahead of time, they are planning the next patch or next expansion story thats all well and good but when you leave to many cliffhangers, leading to the nest story its gonna piss people off
    But i think the biggest problem and this is a problem thats happened since wod. Is telling the story through external methods.

    Okay so we end mop defeating Garrosh and hes going to be on trial great. We go into WoD going back in time,o a alternative dimension and garrosh is there, If you didnt read war crimes youd be so lost.

    And yes as someone else pointed out the major problem is it retconns alot of warcraft past so for example it makes the wc3 scourge campaign pretty meaningless, since its all jailers followers fighting one another for no reason.

    And it Ruins Kelthzard and Arthas Relationship When i first did the undead campaign i generally saw Kel as his second in command
    Biggest problem with WoW's lore is the way it is fed to the community. Recently I've noticed a lot of people arguing about the campaign who have clearly just watched the cut scenes without doing the quests that lead up to them. Also nothing kills my enthusiasm for finishing an expansion quite as much as promotion for the next expansion spoiling all the story beats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    The story has never been treated so badly and torn to shambles like it has been in recent years don't give me that ''it's always been like this''
    Spoken like someone who has never read the War of the Anciengs trilogy.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Spoken like someone who has never read the War of the Ancients trilogy.
    I loved reading that it but then after awhile I realized richard knaak wasnt that good of a Author he murdered Tyrande in Stormrage turning her into a dotting Housewife.

    And he made his characters way to OP, and perfect, which is most likely, why he hasnt written for them since, they killed off his characters Rhoinin died on theramore and Christine killed Korialstrasz

  13. #153
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  14. #154
    One poster in the youtube comments under the "By Our Hands" cinematic put it best



    We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen!


  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    One poster in the youtube comments under the "By Our Hands" cinematic put it best



    We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen!

    Just l-o-l at that comment.

  16. #156
    The storytelling in WoW has always sucked, and I never expect it to be good. Is SL the worst, no, but it is certainly bad like every other expansion storytelling.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post



    Spoken like someone who has never read the War of the Anciengs trilogy.
    I read the trilogy while I was deployed in Iraq, I loved them tbh contrary to how cool it is to hate on them

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    I read the trilogy while I was deployed in Iraq, I loved them tbh contrary to how cool it is to hate on them
    It's not a matter of me hating them, it's just a very clear case of them ripping the lore to shreds so an author can cram his own creations in the established lore while not entirely making it clear if the time travel adventure is a retcon or alternate universe. Add to that the TBC retcons, sci-fi elements, changes to characters and weird stuff like Naaru and I see a lot of parallels with what you say about SL and how TBC was produced.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    People have been complaining about stupid stories, retcons and poor character development at least since TBC. The only difference nowadays is there is a couple of e-celebs to provide opinions for people to rally around.
    We grew up, the writing quality didn’t grow with us.

    TBC was the error. Spoiling Illidan and Kael’thas to make a raid boss. Short term high, long term disaster for story telling.


    But wow failed to focus and present its story properly enough. It didn’t value it enough to seriously show it.

    1. SWTOR - is an MMO with much higher quality in story and the best presentation of. It
    2. The Secret World - also an MMO that tells an excellent story too.

    Both of these have meaningful player choices too.

    3. FFXIV has a very good story but poor presentation, fir westerners, even some of the translations are dodgy. But the story plot is much better than what they did with wow.

    It’s funny that fir the RTS the story was one of its strongest suits, but in thenROG where that is usually the best attribute, for wow it’s terrible

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    We grew up, the writing quality didn’t grow with us.

    TBC was the error. Spoiling Illidan and Kael’thas to make a raid boss. Short term high, long term disaster for story telling.


    But wow failed to focus and present its story properly enough. It didn’t value it enough to seriously show it.

    1. SWTOR - is an MMO with much higher quality in story and the best presentation of. It
    2. The Secret World - also an MMO that tells an excellent story too.

    Both of these have meaningful player choices too.

    3. FFXIV has a very good story but poor presentation, fir westerners, even some of the translations are dodgy. But the story plot is much better than what they did with wow.

    It’s funny that fir the RTS the story was one of its strongest suits, but in thenROG where that is usually the best attribute, for wow it’s terrible
    TBC writing makes SL look good.

    That is how bad SL is right now. Honestly, the sooner this expansion is put to bed, the better.

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