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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by Nimin View Post
    It's not about believing in conspiracies, it's about understanding that allegations are not guilt and accusations are not evidence.
    Do they have something on Blizzard warranting a lawsuit? Absolutely, they're not idiots, otherwise they wouldn't bring it forth.
    Should we believe everything they bring forth, or automatically assume that "something" is solid evidence? Absolutely not. The accuser of a lawsuit will always embellish, fatten or otherwise try to claim more than what he actually has in hands.

    Healthy skepticism has nothing to do with conspiracies and if "the Quartering" promotes that then he's doing good in my book.
    How is it healthy skepticism when literally their workforce is going apeshit and out for blood due to the working conditions at the company? Thats being a contrarian because you are an anti-feminist being pissed because the wokes and all the stacys who won't date antisocial creeps speak out against dudebros fulfilling their personal power fantasy.

    I mean, back in highschool when you had the french or russian revolution, were you as skeptical on whether or not the conditions were really that bad when you read about how people started to raise up and revolt over bad conditions and policies?

  2. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrax View Post
    Seeing the replies here makes me sick. Especially everyone defending sexual abuse by calling anyone who dont want it "woke". Im going to redirect mmo-champion to 127.0.0.1 until you trump and putin lovers (you know who you are) go to hell. Good riddance.
    Classic woke fit

  3. #363
    More like J. Allen Sacked amirite? lmao, help me.

  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatfish View Post
    That's a very optimistic and idealist attitude to justify using mob pressure to oust a company leader and instate a specified gendered person with questionable experience for the role. But hey, you do you. I seem to be one of the only people saying "let the courts handle it" and not pretending to be the ultimate judge and executioner before anything has even touched a court room.

    It's almost like everyone wants to throw "Innocent until proven guilty" out the window, but what else is new. Outspoken people are generally spiteful assholes that take pleasure in the suffering of others.
    Innocent until proven guilty only applies to the court system. Workers are free to protest and call for the removal of bad leadership. You are just being a contrarian virgin right now.

  5. #365
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrax View Post
    Seeing the replies here makes me sick. Especially everyone defending sexual abuse by calling anyone who dont want it "woke". Im going to redirect mmo-champion to 127.0.0.1 until you trump and putin lovers (you know who you are) go to hell. Good riddance.
    It's been six months.

  6. #366
    I don't mind fresh faces at all in that leading position purely from a game perspective.

    The old stagnated.
    - Everything that lives is designed to end. We are perpetually trapped in a never ending spiral of life and death. Is this a curse? Or some kind of punishment? I often think about the god who blessed us with this cryptic puzzle… and wonder if we’ll ever get the chance to kill him.

  7. #367
    I think the basic thing most here can agree on is the game is in a worse state than it could be. It was not improving under JAB for 2-3 years now. It may not under these two either, WoW could just be fundamentally flawed without 2.0 at this point, but at least there is now the potential of a better game with different heads.

  8. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    I don't mind fresh faces at all in that leading position purely from a game perspective.

    The old stagnated.
    And were pretty incompetent to begin with. I mean, no wonder the issues at Blizzard when they allowed guys to basically engage in one big fratboy party during their working hours.

  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by Diaphin View Post
    How is it healthy skepticism when literally their workforce is going apeshit and out for blood due to the working conditions at the company?
    Right now the company's bleeding, and the sharks have come out together with those who have legitimate grievances.
    Don't be naive in believing that everyone at the company "going apeshit" is doing it out of having suffered genuine abuse and not also opportunism and seeing a chance for profit.

    Thats being a contrarian because you are an anti-feminist being pissed because the wokes and all the stacys who won't date antisocial creeps speak out against dudebros fulfilling their personal power fantasy.
    My policy is to not believe victims until victimhood is proved. Just like a judge would do. That's the correct response.
    I wish nothing but the worst for Blizzard on a personal level, but naturally siding with whoever has the worst sob story is a surefire way to get conned.

    I mean, back in highschool when you had the french or russian revolution, were you as skeptical on whether or not the conditions were really that bad when you read about how people started to raise up and revolt over bad conditions and policies?
    No, because we had decades and countless historians working at sorting that out and discerning the truth. So far all we have is a lawsuit from California.
    See the difference?
    Again, you should apply some healthy skepticism instead of jumping on anybody's bandwagon without applying your own thinking first.

  10. #370
    How long was Jen Oneal head of VV for?

  11. #371
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    I don't mind fresh faces at all in that leading position purely from a game perspective.

    The old stagnated.
    It seems to me that their main thrust to begin with is to determine a few things:

    1. How to fix the culture there. Since they're new they have a better shot at it than anyone that's been there for years.
    2. Why Blizzard isn't executing on their business: the creation of video games. No new IP's for years. Retreads mostly.
    3. Quiet things down and handle the lawsuit.

    That's enough to be honest. No one should think that they're going to be doing anything with the design of games. If they're successful they will create a more professional environment with happier employees and then there's a chance that the quality of the work will rise.
    “We live in a moment where everything immediately seems to default to outrage. There’s a kind of M.O. of either it’s exactly how I see it, or you’re my enemy.”

  12. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrax View Post
    Seeing the replies here makes me sick. Especially everyone defending sexual abuse by calling anyone who dont want it "woke". Im going to redirect mmo-champion to 127.0.0.1 until you trump and putin lovers (you know who you are) go to hell. Good riddance.
    That's not why people are calling you "woke". They call you woke because if there is any talk other than "replace men with JUST women and POC" you're a trump and putin lover. Looks like your brain is already in a loopback, you seem grumpy, maybe switch to a body wash for sensitive skin.

  13. #373
    No CEO no President just 2 Co Leaders. Activision has fully taken over Blizzard.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi Batman View Post
    Sounds like a euphemism for real life. We throw money at the rich, in hopes that we will someday be rich, and then we get hookers to piss on us. That's what trickle down economics really is.

  14. #374
    Quote Originally Posted by Diaphin View Post
    Innocent until proven guilty only applies to the court system.
    What a disheartening thought. You've got it completely backwards.
    "Innocent until proven guilty" is an enlightenment and humanitarian doctrine that took ages to be formulated and then got translated into the courts, but is in no way limited to them, it also applies (or should apply) to common interactions.

  15. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by Nimin View Post
    Right now the company's bleeding, and the sharks have come out together with those who have legitimate grievances.
    Don't be naive in believing that everyone at the company "going apeshit" is doing it out of having suffered genuine abuse and not also opportunism and seeing a chance for profit.


    My policy is to not believe victims until victimhood is proved. Just like a judge would do. That's the correct response.
    I wish nothing but the worst for Blizzard on a personal level, but naturally siding with whoever has the worst sob story is a surefire way to get conned.



    No, because we had decades and countless historians working at sorting that out and discerning the truth. So far all we have is a lawsuit from California.
    See the difference?
    Again, you should apply some healthy skepticism instead of jumping on anybody's bandwagon without applying your own thinking first.
    did your skepticism ever got you a girlfriend irl? I'm serious here, you gamergate incels only seem to be that emotional whenever men are accused of rape, sexual harassment or abuse. Down in offtopic, I never see your kind of people being that skeptical when it comes to topics like police brutality. And no surprise, I just noticed you are a sockpuppet account.

  16. #376
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    Quote Originally Posted by huehuehue View Post
    I think the basic thing most here can agree on is the game is in a worse state than it could be. It was not improving under JAB for 2-3 years now. It may not under these two either, WoW could just be fundamentally flawed without 2.0 at this point, but at least there is now the potential of a better game with different heads.
    Why? They are not designers. They will have little or nothing to do with game design. That might be better in fact. If Brack couldn't completely relinquish his role as a producer then it would make some sense that he couldn't be bothered with stuff like running the studio within the bounds of the law, etc.
    “We live in a moment where everything immediately seems to default to outrage. There’s a kind of M.O. of either it’s exactly how I see it, or you’re my enemy.”

  17. #377
    Quote Originally Posted by Zypherz View Post
    More like J. Allen Sacked amirite? lmao, help me.
    It does say jeep, but it should say beep (press beep!) AmI right? ...

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    Please read this blizzard: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...m_source=share also what could have been possible with Nightborne--> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLr5dDXn5nE

  18. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by Nimin View Post
    Right now the company's bleeding, and the sharks have come out together with those who have legitimate grievances.
    Don't be naive in believing that everyone at the company "going apeshit" is doing it out of having suffered genuine abuse and not also opportunism and seeing a chance for profit.


    My policy is to not believe victims until victimhood is proved. Just like a judge would do. That's the correct response.
    I wish nothing but the worst for Blizzard on a personal level, but naturally siding with whoever has the worst sob story is a surefire way to get conned.



    No, because we had decades and countless historians working at sorting that out and discerning the truth. So far all we have is a lawsuit from California.
    See the difference?
    Again, you should apply some healthy skepticism instead of jumping on anybody's bandwagon without applying your own thinking first.
    You know they have already completed a 2 year investigation, right?
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  19. #379
    Quote Originally Posted by Diaphin View Post
    I think I found the reason why all your classmates in highschool are married, have kids and smile on pictures and you not.
    Funny, I don't know you. I have a wife, 2 kids and a career I am sure most do not. Try again.

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    So JAB gets the cut as the scapegoat for all this and they promote the next two Activision puppets to co-lead the company. Granted you're not going to see many tears shed for Brack after all the dumb shit that's happened while he was the head of Blizzard but I don't think it's fair that he is effectively going to end up blamed for all of this.

    Oh well, people will be placated by the fact that one of the new leaders is a woman and has only been a part of the Blizzard division for six months ("look at how quickly they're promoting women now guise!" (despite working as a head for VV for who knows how long which has just been another arm of Activision since 2005)) while ignoring the Battle.net guy all while Activision takes the reins as they do their 'audit' while hunting down all the employees who are part of that new ABK alliance thing and privately have 'HR' discussions about their futures, they'll probably 'let go' of the most 'passionate' members under some clause or something, promise they've done a deep cleanse at the end of it and removed all the 'problems' while putting Blizzard on notice before getting to try and win the court case by pinning as much of it's complaints on people who are no longer hired/making the case Blizzard has changed and then hoping everything has quieted down publicly and that Blizzard shuts up and prints some money.

    That or Blizzard might get some restructuring for all we know.

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