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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    Except you're completely wrong, no one pays their ongoing subscription for Blizzard to just maintain a server. Much like no one pays the box price for an expansion to never have ongoing development. Everyone and their dog knows that the ongoing subscription cost is for ongoing development and server maintenance.

    Would you be willing to accept that the 9.0 release candidate for SL was the final product? I would be that you would be pissed off if you pay a box price for an expansion only to get 1/4 of the intended product, whilst paying $15/m just to access a server.
    And yet, legally, that is EXACTLY what your paying for.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    i highly doubt he was in any control of anything since years, he probably was just a figure to have a target mark on his head, and so whoever replace him
    activision didn't show EVER they don't control everything, check why Bungie left them and why destiny failed
    So i'm sad that he just decided he took enough shit and left, instead of trying to fix the biggest problem: join satan's teacher company activision

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Hate to break it to you but your not paying a subscription for the promise of future development of WoW. Your paying to access the game as it is. And last I checked they didn't take down the servers so you are entirely getting what you payed for.
    there are a LOT of games that are online and have online servers and u pay 0 dollar for server online and maintenance
    so no, u pay for everything not just 'sub', u also pay for artists who create mounts for cash shop, so u pay for the cash shop bullshit
    as literally proven in industry everywhere, this isn't how it works
    wow should either have cash shit shop, or sub, not both

    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Again, Activision DOES NOT pull the strings. Activison and Blizzard are two separate companies under one holding company, Activision-Blizzard.
    Bungie says hi and tell u that activision doesn't understand idea of partnership or anything except i own everything and u are all slaves to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Blizzards inner problems isn't our problem. As consumers we just want our product. I don't think any other industry coddles its employees with "they worked sooooo hard.. stop saying product bad!" than gaming. Its honesty pathetic.
    100% agree
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  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Kereberus View Post
    Do you consider Ion Original?
    I don't know, but I would be happy if he changed occupations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    1. tom chilton is not in those, i think you are confusing him and greg street, ghostcrawler, as the two look rather similiar.
    2. yeah, most of the OG's dont like the attention so they stay silent, idk if you know but MOST devs do not want the attention, based on "who we see" there is only like 8 people who ever worked at blizzard, but there is atleast 10,000 now.
    i wasn't talking about the 'cosby suite' photo, i'm talking about old blizzcon photo's and the like in regard to tom chilton who was game director on WoW prior to Ion taking over, and a lot of the issues being raised by public testimony is when he was in charge of the wow team, meaning that he will likely be one of the un-named 10 in the suit, as for samwise, he used to be very prominent in the community often responding to forum posts and talking to people regularly about art related stuff and seemed to genuinely enjoy it, for a little while i haven't seen nor heard anything from him, and as you term it 'the OG's' were all very prominent on social media/on forums early on until the activision corporate mentality set in and likely got told not to interact as much from the legal department.

    as many familiar with these forums know you to be a rabid blizzard fanboy/girl and will jump to their defense at every opportunity, there's no need for your condescending tone, i'm fully aware that most devs don't want to be in the public eye and that they are happy to remain anonymous, those people i wasn't talking about in any way.

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  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    Bungie says hi and tell u that activision doesn't understand idea of partnership or anything except i own everything and u are all slaves to me
    Doesn't matter because that is nor what is happening here. Activision does not own Blizzard. Period.

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    Was expected to have JAB step down (or be forced to).

    Bit dumbfounded with all the requests for Ion's head on this thread, since he has nothing to do with the big scandals and is probably one of the guys holding WoW together, and apart from some minor issues, Shadowlands has been great. 9.1 is great as far as end game goes. So yea, stop asking for his head, i'd say.
    It's just another example of parts of the playerbase pretending to care about more important issues when really they're just mad because a game entertains them less than it did a decade ago. Like when they all pretended to care about China while drowning out the actual message about the Hong Kong protests with their cries about entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    You would think that would have an impact, but Ion raids Mythic and the game is boring, soooo.
    Should probably dispense with the idea that hiring the best players in the world to make the game is a good idea. I'm sure it'll make for the best raid or m+ content content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Hate to break it to you but your not paying a subscription for the promise of future development of WoW. Your paying to access the game as it is. And last I checked they didn't take down the servers so you are entirely getting what you payed for.
    You are confusing two different things: what subscribing legally entitles one to, and what motivates people to subscribe.
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  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    You are confusing two different things: what subscribing legally entitles one to, and what motivates people to subscribe.
    Add in: what the money is actually used to pay for.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    And yet, legally, that is EXACTLY what your paying for.
    I'm not talking about legally. Do you think more people would leave, or less people would leave if they said that they were not developing the game, but still requiring $15/m to play the game?

    Any form of entertainment is a value proposition, wow is no different. If the value is not there, or people are paying MORE and getting LESS, they will lose even more users

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    I'm not talking about legally. Do you think more people would leave, or less people would leave if they said that they were not developing the game, but still requiring $15/m to play the game?

    Any form of entertainment is a value proposition, wow is no different. If the value is not there, or people are paying MORE and getting LESS, they will lose even more users
    if you don't think its worth your money then cancel your sub. But this entire exchange stems from someone (cba to go back and check who it was) saying that players deserve free game time because the WoW team took a little time off in response to learning about the widespread harassment and discrimination happening at Blizzard, because if their not working players shouldn't have to pay a sub.

    Which is bullshit.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Kereberus View Post
    Do you consider Ion Original?
    Why would anybody?
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  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    if you don't think its worth your money then cancel your sub. But this entire exchange stems from someone (cba to go back and check who it was) saying that players deserve free game time because the WoW team took a little time off in response to learning about the widespread harassment and discrimination happening at Blizzard, because if their not working players shouldn't have to pay a sub.

    Which is bullshit.
    If the game isn't being developed then they should seriously consider the option to remain in good faith with their community, who they also let down.

    But the internal workings of a company should have no consequences on the service they provide to their consumers, if they wish to charge the same price.

    I already cancelled my sub, which runs out in a couple of months. I don't expect to pay for a meal at a restaurant that only gave me half of what I thought I was getting because the chef wasn't feeling up to it.

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