FFXIV Spoiler thread

[Yarathir]

Zodiark was no longer a threat until someone took control of him, correct? He was pretty much just sitting in his prison holding his Laws in place preventing the Dynamis change from occurring?

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Also, anyone know who Scarmiglione's english VA is? He sound suspiciously like Hermes/Amon or maybe Asahi (its tripping me up a bit because Amon as Fan'daniel possessing Asahi sounds partially like Asahi). But I cant find a credit online, IMDB doesnt have him. It has Golbez, but neither Scarm nor crazy wind lady.

Zodiark was effectively imprisoned until Fandaniel and Zenos broke him out, yes. Even with that, he was basically bereft of a heart, which is why Fandaniel could pilot him. Elidibus was Zodiark's heart, he was Zodiark. What was left after his "death" was basically just a half-mangled meat mech. And yeah, he was kept around for the sole purposes of maintaining the aetheric barrier (while in stasis) that kept the Final Days at bay.

[Xilurm]

Massive spoilers so be careful.

If people are coming out of this 10 year saga thinking that the "main" villain (jokes on you because Meteion isn't the main villain of the saga) was introduced too late then they are doing it wrong. If anyone was the main "villain" it was the Ascians. But they were more akin to Team Rocket, atleast until SHB brought them to the forefront. They did manipulate things, that's true, but each character in the story had their own motivations. Meteion wasn't a problem and would never be a problem as long as the unconscious Zodiark existed. And who made sure that wasn't the case? Fandaniel/Hermes. Who created Meteion in the first place? Hermes did. Meteion was just a product of Hermes' search for answers, and it all spiraled out of control to the point we got to in 1.x. Then the WoL pretty much cleans up the mess one problem at a time. But the thing is, all these problems are all different from each other.

[Grinning Serpent]

Can't say I disagree with most of what you have to say because a lot of it is pretty subjective and I can't exactly dissent against your experience of things. If it no longer appeals to you, I don't think you need to continue playing. It's all about your own enjoyment at the end of it. I had the same with WoW: I continued playing it for a bit for the sake of playing with friends, but in the end, I couldn't even bring myself to do that anymore and unsubbed cold turkey. Do what you need, video games are, at their core, a form of entertainment; if it no longer offers any of that, it's fine to no longer play it.

But I will say that I remain of the opinion that we effectively took care of and addressed Zodiark in 5.3.

Yeah, I am very unlikely to continue playing through to 7.0. Unless it's even less inspired than I'm expecting, I'll probably return one last time after the BLU patch but I don't think I'll return for 7.0 unless it's *really* remarkable.

It's really funny... I gave DF a try and I've been having a lot of fun, so does that make me an "XIV refugee"? lol

Seems like neither company has been able to figure out how to nail the gray area between the extremes the two games represent.

[neik]

That brings up the problem of housing multiple tempered together, they already then have fulfilled one of the two requirements for summoning: faith. Yes sometimes 1 person alone can do it, but that's a rare case, and just gathering more and more of them together is just asking an Ascian or some other tempered who hasn't been captured to just bring some crystals in and them ta da another primal has been summoned.

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The story quite literally tells you that you cannot cure tempering. Do you really think that the group that is trying to save as many people as possible and save the world from every imaginable threat just goes, 'Whoops well we don't want to put in the effort.'

You are also factually wrong about killing the Primal somehow saving its victim. All of us in this thread are obviously trying not to spoil the story for you but you're making it difficult.

You cannot cure Tempering. Killing the Primal doesn't cure you and it doesn't suddenly make it so you can therapy your way out of it. Trust us, we know what we're talking about lol

Sure you think you have a solid authority argument to what appears to be a already well established multi year timeline. Picking Ifrit as an inception where everything followed after, from there you could either choose to put down those people like dogs, or you can work your ass off to save them. Emphasis on working hard, and the fact that you were able to save them, still would not diminish greater threats that you will be facing against in future.

But this conversation is now exhausted, I'm not going to cave in to some weird murderous fetish.

[Auxis]

Sure you think you have a solid authority argument to what appears to be a already well established multi year timeline. Picking Ifrit as an inception where everything followed after, from there you could either choose to put down those people like dogs, or you can work your ass off to save them. Emphasis on working hard, and the fact that you were able to save them, still would not diminish greater threats that you will be facing against in future.

But this conversation is now exhausted, I'm not going to cave in to some weird murderous fetish.

They are brainwashed with no way to reverse it. The brainwashing includes an imprinted desire to serve a deity and try to summon it.
You leave a bunch of people like that alive in a prison or pit, something bad is going to happen whether it be a minor summon like an egi or god forbid a full summon if they are supplied enough aether.
And it's not a fetish. The city-states are making a difficult choice between the needs of the few and the needs if the many - and they've ben dealing with this for years. If they had another way they would have done it by now.

[Aucald]

Massive spoilers so be careful.

If people are coming out of this 10 year saga thinking that the "main" villain (jokes on you because Meteion isn't the main villain of the saga) was introduced too late then they are doing it wrong. If anyone was the main "villain" it was the Ascians. But they were more akin to Team Rocket, atleast until SHB brought them to the forefront. They did manipulate things, that's true, but each character in the story had their own motivations. Meteion wasn't a problem and would never be a problem as long as the unconscious Zodiark existed. And who made sure that wasn't the case? Fandaniel/Hermes. Who created Meteion in the first place? Hermes did. Meteion was just a product of Hermes' search for answers, and it all spiraled out of control to the point we got to in 1.x. Then the WoL pretty much cleans up the mess one problem at a time. But the thing is, all these problems are all different from each other.

It's a bit more nuanced than that, I would say. Hermes/Fandaniel acted more or less unilaterally in allowing Meteion and her sisters to enact the Final Days of Etheirys - so blaming the Ascians (both in their pre-Sundering and post-Sundering incarnations) for his actions would be, in my view, spreading the brush pretty wide. Hades, Venat, and Hythlodaeus attempted to stop Hermes from letting Meteion go and attempted to recall the other Meteia from their ill-fated mission across the stars, only to have their minds wiped (save for Venat). Both Hermes and Meteion fulfill the role of more tragic villains, allowing their passions and in the case of Meteion their severe psychological damage to overcome their reason and perform monstrous acts because of it.

In a way, I'd argue FF14 doesn't really have a single unifying villain except perhaps for Zenos, whose sole excuse for his monstrous actions is obvious insanity. The Ascians, Meteion, and Hermes/Fandaniel are all in the more tragic mode. If anything, perhaps the true villain of FF14 is the vagaries of fate and circumstance, and the cruelty of an indifferent universe without any underlying force that preserves life or promotes essential kindness. If the universe wasn't a cosmic horrorshow in the FF14 story, the Meteia wouldn't have lost their minds and decided to end it all as opposed to enduring further trauma in the form of visiting dead worlds or civilizations poised on the edge of omnicide.