Fate of Afghanistan, Taliban resurgence

[Specialka]

They were doing that days ago...

Thanks to american money and military presence. Money and presence no longer available.

[Draco-Onis]

Thanks to american money and military presence. Money and presence no longer available.

Money wasn't the issue they were just allowed and they aren't now because the Taliban imposed it nothing to do with money, culture or anything this is just Taliban rule.

[Specialka]

Money wasn't the issue they were just allowed and they aren't now because the Taliban imposed it nothing to do with money, culture or anything this is just Taliban rule.

And if they cared about that, they should have fight them, which they did not hence they do not care about that.

[Fuiking]

How much does it cost to pay basic salary, so women could work instead of sitting at home? Without money it is not possible.

Woman rights are just an excuse to steal from Afghan people. Whole war was about stealing, though mostly from US taxpayers.

West is setting up Afghanistan to become next failed state with no outcome other than extremism. Can't grow crops without having access to farming equipment. Can't transport goods without being able to buy to transport and fuel.

Iran at least has some factories that produce stuff, they even have their own car manufacturer. Afghanistan doesn't have any of that.

Grand a Taliban defender.. thats a new one. What does you make think the Taliban wont use that funding to fund even more weaponry and the funding of training jihadi's to assault the west?

[Draco-Onis]

And if they cared about that, they should have fight them, which they did not hence they do not care about that.

That has more to do with the fact that the guy we put in charge was incompetent corrupt and we spent 20 years stuffing the pockets of contractors instead of building up Afghanistan. The US seems to be learning the wrong lessons from this, Afghanistan is the perfect example of our military's spending run amok. There was no oversight, goals, strategy, planning or accountability just blank checks while everyone involved knew it was going to shit.

[StillMcfuu]

World Bank halts all payments to Afganistan.


West decided to cut off Afghanistan from all funds, including ones that Afghanistan owns in various banks all over the world, as punishment for not choosing corrupt officials west has installed for them.

So country that is already in shit state will be even in worse state without access to their money, not being able to buy basic stuff like food and medicine. Country already has no infrastructure after decades of being bombed, cannot feed their own population and now west wants to starve Afghans to death. That will surely fix the issue of extremism!

Hitler would be proud of current western governments.

Then people wonder why countries all over the world more and more often prefer to get money from China.

Regardless of how you feel about the old government and the Wests complete inaction to reign in corruption. Continuing to fund the Taliban will definitely not lead to any of that money disseminating down to local level. If the old government was stealing 50% of what was being loaned, the Taliban will steal 100% of it and use most of it to further oppress the population.

I feel like I'm responding to a troll post with how short-sighted you are.

[Shadowferal]

Seen multiple occasions of bleeding heart empathisers advocating for segregation, subjugation and oppression of former confederates

Former confeds do that to themselves well enough.

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So country that is already in shit state will be even in worse state without access to their money, not being able to buy basic stuff like food and medicine. Country already has no infrastructure after decades of being bombed, cannot feed their own population and now west wants to starve Afghans to death.

So what was the excuse when money was flowing in for the past 20yrs?

[Gaidax]

So what was the excuse when money was flowing in for the past 20yrs?

What do you mean, it went right to the General Mana... poor afghan people to boost literacy and provide infrastructure...

[Yadryonych]

Former confeds do that to themselves well enough.

So true, just like the uygurhis knowingly rejecting the blessings of Greater China, they did it to themselves

[Veggie50]

I guess in your mind anyone disagreeing with US policy is a Taliban defender.

Just because one side in the conflict is shit, doesn't mean other one isn't. World is not binary.

Taliban won't suffer from western actions. They are savages living in shitholes and they want their shithole to stay as it is. The poorer people are, the more likely they are to join Taliban. Everything about this shitshow is fault of US and their allies.

I see why would you think the way you think. Your last statement clearly shows it: being afraid that Taliban will assault the west. Yep, they definitely will! Using advanced Afghan navy they will transport jihadis armed with AKs and suicide vests to US shores. If you really think what I just posted is a real possibility, you should get some basic education. Afghanistan is landlocked, the one ones they have ever assaulted with invaders and they did it on their own soil.

Well... you're kinda saying that if you didn't have money, it would be a logical consequence that you'd take away all women's liberties o.o

Kinda hard to see any point you make after that...

I'm personally not sure if it's a good move to block finances, though I can see it being used as a negotiation tactic to extend the evacuation deadline. Saying women not being allowed to walk the streets anymore is a logical consequence of taking the Talibans money, is quite hard to swallow.

Also, "women can't work now cuz they dont have money to pay salaries" is beyond idiotic... I'm guessing they're firing all the men now too, then? You realize employing women is not a charity right? They provide services just like men do.

[JohnBrown1917]

You mean the idea of eradicating any undesired ideology? Yeah it's seems to be quite popular, and on this very forum as well. Seen multiple occasions of bleeding heart empathisers advocating for segregation, subjugation and oppression of former confederates

Ok, enough about Christianity, this topic is about Afghanistan.

[Shadowferal]

So true, just like the uygurhis knowingly rejecting the blessings of Greater China, they did it to themselves

Your silly analogy means nothing. Former confeds don't live in China.

[Fuiking]

I guess in your mind anyone disagreeing with US policy is a Taliban defender.

Just because one side in the conflict is shit, doesn't mean other one isn't. World is not binary.

Taliban won't suffer from western actions. They are savages living in shitholes and they want their shithole to stay as it is. The poorer people are, the more likely they are to join Taliban. Everything about this shitshow is fault of US and their allies.

I see why would you think the way you think. Your last statement clearly shows it: being afraid that Taliban will assault the west. Yep, they definitely will! Using advanced Afghan navy they will transport jihadis armed with AKs and suicide vests to US shores. If you really think what I just posted is a real possibility, you should get some basic education. Afghanistan is landlocked, the one ones they have ever assaulted with invaders and they did it on their own soil.

You really think they use a navy? did you read/ learn about how they did it during 9/11? Apperently not. According to you, you need a standing army to attack someone.. never heard about Asymtrical warfare? Never heard about Guerilla warfare?

[Fuiking]

The. Taliban. Did. Not. Attack. On. 9/11.

oops was Al-Queda wasn't it? They have confused me for ages. Feels like they're the same.

[Milchshake]

Politico is desperate to kneecap Biden and get a jump on horseracing 2024.

After hysterically overplaying the Kabul airport story and convicting Biden of doomed mission, Politico announces it doesn’t believe 70k+ have been evacuated...


Zero proof WH is lying. Politico just doesn’t like the new facts.


TIL Kissenger is still alive. Why is The Economist going to him for takes? The Devil must not be returning their calls.
A fundamental concern is how America found itself withdrawing from Afghanistan "without much warning or consultation with allies or the people most directly involved in 20 years of sacrifice,” argues Henry Kissinger in The Economist

[Mihalik]

2. They have plenty of weapons thanks to US army leaving everything behind and arming Afghan army. So whatever they'll be using money is most likely not weapons, unless they'll decide to invade their neighbours. But whatever it will be, money is theirs.

That money is absolutely not "theirs". You seem to suggest the Taliban government has some sort of legal legitimacy... It does not.

Furthermore most of the money being withheld is aid and loans. The Taliban absolutely has no claim to it.

If the Taliban wants that money it needs to demonstrate a willingness to cooperate with the international community and offer guarantees and avenues of oversight.

It doesn't matter how many M16s and Humvees the US left behind, the Taliban has no capacity to maintain any of it, to make ammo for anything or fuel anything. They need to buy all that stuff. Withholding the money basically guarantees all that gear will rust or fall apart without spares so it won't get used against anyone foreign or domestic.

West demands improvement of women rights. How can it be done without money? It can't. So seizing money with demands that west knows are impossible to meet, is just theft.

Step 1. Don't blow up schools and murder school teachers. Especially schools that service girls.

Step 2. Don't treat women like breeding livestock.

Step 3. Stop beating women.

Step 4. Let women keep their jobs.

Step 5. Don't force women to wear potato sacks whenever they leave the kitchen.

The 5 steps above cost exactly 0 dollars. Once they've done that, they can talk about needing resources to do more for women's rights.

[Gaaz]

It doesn't matter how many M16s and Humvees the US left behind, the Taliban has no capacity to maintain any of it, to make ammo for anything or fuel anything. They need to buy all that stuff. Withholding the money basically guarantees all that gear will rust or fall apart without spares so it won't get used against anyone foreign or domestic.

You would be surprised how little it takes to maintain basic arsenal and vehicles. If they can create their own ammo for old soviet platforms like 7.62 and 5.45, there is nothing stopping them from making 5.56. And in a hypothetical scenario when something prevents them from doing so, they can always buy it from "US Allies", countries like Qatar and such. The same goes for vehicles - they have been able to maintain a fleet of Japanese trucks the entire war. Nothing stops them from continuing to do so. They do have more than enough cash for it.

Step 1. Don't blow up schools and murder school teachers. Especially schools that service girls.

Step 2. Don't treat women like breeding livestock.

Step 3. Stop beating women.

Step 4. Let women keep their jobs.

Step 5. Don't force women to wear potato sacks whenever they leave the kitchen.

The 5 steps above cost exactly 0 dollars. Once they've done that, they can talk about needing resources to do more for women's rights.

Now I am confused... Are you talking about the old US controlled government and US bombings, or the new Taliban government? I am sure that wives of Afghan soldiers that were bombed by US airstrikes and who were forced to prostitute themselves to higher ups in the military to get their dead husband's pensions would like to know that as well. Honestly, aside from few fashion issues, situation for them hardly seemed to change.

Also, since when does anyone from outside of Afghanistan suddenly care about women's rights over there? Where have you been for the past 35 years? That just seems like a whole load of BS and posturing. Quatar, UAE and SA called, asked to dial in all those Taliban feminists a notch.

[Yadryonych]

Your silly analogy means nothing. Former confeds don't live in China.

Your silly trolling fools no one. We both know what is the only way to "fix" the afghania. Even journos were brave enough back then to talk about it

[Shadowferal]

Your silly trolling fools no one. We both know what is the only way to "fix" the afghania. Even journos were brave enough back then to talk about it

I'm sure you imagine a 20yr old article citing some opinion is relevant.
Whatever...

[Omega10]

World Bank halts all payments to Afganistan.


West decided to cut off Afghanistan from all funds, including ones that Afghanistan owns in various banks all over the world, as punishment for not choosing corrupt officials west has installed for them.

So country that is already in shit state will be even in worse state without access to their money, not being able to buy basic stuff like food and medicine. Country already has no infrastructure after decades of being bombed, cannot feed their own population and now west wants to starve Afghans to death. That will surely fix the issue of extremism!

Hitler would be proud of current western governments.

Then people wonder why countries all over the world more and more often prefer to get money from China.

This also makes Afghanistan VERY dependent on China and the USSR. And at some point it won't matter if the US imposes sanctions on Afghanistan since Afghanistan will only be trading with Russia and its neighbors, which includes China.

As western financial institutions freeze the assets of more and more countries, other developing countries will move away from the west for just the reason you stated: if you put your money in western banks, you might not be able to get it back. This is just flat out self defeating.