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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Azerate View Post
    The only non-expansion release patch that had more content than 9.1 is probably 8.2, and that literally like one of the best patches in wow's history content volume wise. Korthia is small because it's made to be traversed without a flying mount forever. There's no need to add big empty spaces just to lengthen the travel time (which would no doubt be the complaint if that was the case). Activity-wise, Korthia has probably more than both invasion zones of 8.3 combined. Then you have the old maw additions, assaults, raid and megadungeon.



    That's some funny math because 9.1 has only been out for 1,5 month now. No idea how that adds up to 135$, but whatever. As for SL overall, I've spent 63 days and 11 hours on my main while being level 60, and I probably have another 60 days-ish on my 3 main alts. 9 month of sub to get 3000 hours of gameplay? Sounds like a pretty good value for money for me. Also, it's not even 135$, cause I have the discounted 6 month sub, jokes on you mate.
    You have spent 3000 hours in 9 months playing a computer game and the jokes on him? You need to grow up a little.

  2. #122
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    Depends on how you define content. Raids? Probably not. Or if so it would be like right at the end of the year. Other content? Probably. I mean they're doing customization stuff right now. I'm not sure I'd take unverified reports of "no work happening on WoW" as truth. Theres little doubt that they're working on WoW, but whether they'd have any raid content ready to go by year's end or if they'd even have any incentive to? Meh.

    The last thing they should be worrying about is what FFXIV is doing. Or New World. FFXIV occupies a completely different space in the genre from WoW with very little overlap aside from streamers and their followers right now while it's hot. And New World is going to last maybe 1.5 Wildstars. lol. They need to just worry about making compelling WoW content for WoW players.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFawlty View Post
    You have spent 3000 hours in 9 months playing a computer game and the jokes on him? You need to grow up a little.
    Or s/he's retired / wealthy / works from home and can spend half their time living the dream.
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  3. #123
    second half of 2022 is the soonest any new dungeon/raid can be expected.
    perhaps even last quarter of 2022 is the soonest.

    shadowlands suffers from extremely slowly developed content that is also extremely poorly designed in terms of character/expansion mechanics and atrocious story.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore View Post
    I dunno, I think "remixed" boss fights could still count as new content. Updated visuals, new added mechanics, new story ramifications -- it's not entirely dissimilar to FFXIV's "Ultimate mode" raids. I just... maybe wouldn't make them QUITE so brutal (though, maybe a notable step up in difficulty, with no LFR option).

    Or hell, maybe a Mythic-only encounter actually *WOULD* be beneficial for the community! Like maybe new appearance for one of you class's Legion artifacts (which, if they did three of these over the course of an expansion, that's a new appearance for all your artifacts; Demon Hunters and Druids might differ slightly).

    Anyways, I definitely think Blizzard needs to plan more frequent content, particularly given they clearly aren't being managed very well since covid. Most industries have long-since adapted by now; Gaming is kind of this strange outlier for some reason.
    I actually agree that those raids would be fun, it's the context that matters here though. If Blizzard is already known for being lazy and having a weak and poor content cadence, then the last thing they should do is rehash old raids. That's another feature that really only works if the team is in good standing with the players.

    That aside I'd even argue though that you can't really even do those raids until they get timewalking into a better place. A small event that happens every other week for limited dungeons just sucks. They need to find a way to encourage players to engage with the 8 expansions worth of dungeons and raids they've released over the years. Once they've solidified a way for that to work, and get it working well, then they can start doing MC Rag Ultimate or whatever.

    I agree, they do need more content. End of conversation. The covid excuse is an old and tired one for an industry that's almost entirely digital these days. And they most certainly haven't been managed well since Legion. I still don't understand why Legion had so much content and everything else has sucked. Was it really just WoD being cut? Seems like there's more going on there than just that but who knows? I'm not privy to the internal workings of Blizzard.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Selah View Post
    I agree with both of you. It's absolutely a fart of a patch and the most pathetic thing WoW can do, and it's absolutely stupid to try to contend with FFXIV right now given the state of the game. That's exactly why they'll do it, they find the dumbest thing thing can do and then do it instead of focusing on just making a good game. It's the MO of Blizzard.
    ...or Blizz are just considering this round lost and are looking ahead to the future instead of fretting about another game's expansion.

    We don't know how much recent events have affected game development at Blizzard, of course, so i might be wrong...

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    ...or Blizz are just considering this round lost and are looking ahead to the future instead of fretting about another game's expansion.

    We don't know how much recent events have affected game development at Blizzard, of course, so i might be wrong...
    I would like to believe that's what happened but truthfully I don't think they're willing to let that bad habit go yet. Regardless, the release date of 9.1.5 or 9.2 will tell us all we need to know about this.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    ...or Blizz are just considering this round lost and are looking ahead to the future instead of fretting about another game's expansion.

    We don't know how much recent events have affected game development at Blizzard, of course, so i might be wrong...
    I always get the feeling that blizzard has contempt towards their players. I would bet on them being startled 9.15 doesn't bring people back rather then humbled.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Katsutomai View Post
    I seriously doubt 9.1.5 will have a new Raid, honestly. Most likely won't see a new Raid until 9.2 which I don't expect until about Spring of next year.
    Well yes I was talking bout 9.2
    Quote Originally Posted by Firedemon View Post
    No. On these forums any updates mean an expansion hint.
    Wrathin comes back? Dragon expansion clearly!
    LK part of a quest? Wotlk 2 clearly!
    Sylvanas working with a death master? Shadowlands clearly!

    At the point we're headed for Wrath of the Shdowlands Dragon Isles Lich and tinkers.

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Selah View Post
    I would like to believe that's what happened but truthfully I don't think they're willing to let that bad habit go yet. Regardless, the release date of 9.1.5 or 9.2 will tell us all we need to know about this.
    I'm as much in the dark as everybody else as to their real motives, but that they can't possibly come up with something in time to pull attention away from an expansion release is obvious...

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    I'm as much in the dark as everybody else as to their real motives, but that they can't possibly come up with something in time to pull attention away from an expansion release is obvious...
    They won't get many people back but the goal is more to keep people around in the fitst place.
    My guess would be TBCCP2 vs new world and .5 patch vs endwalker to at least attempt to keep some people interested in WoW.
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  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    second half of 2022 is the soonest any new dungeon/raid can be expected.
    perhaps even last quarter of 2022 is the soonest.

    shadowlands suffers from extremely slowly developed content that is also extremely poorly designed in terms of character/expansion mechanics and atrocious story.
    You honestly think the next content patch is ~1 year off? I'd much sooner guess 1st quarter 2022. 2nd quarter also a very reasonable guess but 3rd or 4th? nah

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Merin View Post
    another 9.1 would be a catastrophe.
    Oh no, the sky is falling. WOW is failing again! Just like in 2009. And 2011. And 2014. And 2017. And 2019. The end is nigh - repent all sinners!

    Seriously dude, go outside and take in some fresh air. It's not healthy to hang around fan forums if you have so much negative emotion cropped up. It's just a game.

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by BreakerOfWills View Post
    I dont know how to explain how production might slow down if you went from all working in one space, meeting and collaborating on machines designed for that work with specialized hardware and all contextual info accessible to doing all of that remotely

    "Go home and do the same thing" isn't an option for say an artist who doesn't have a production level rig at home and can't just teleconference in.
    Except others did just that. It should have been slowed for MAYBE a month(slowed, not stopped). While everyone else moved on, it seems they stayed still.

    Also, a lot of those people probably did have high level gear at home depending on how far up the chain you were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    second half of 2022 is the soonest any new dungeon/raid can be expected.
    perhaps even last quarter of 2022 is the soonest.

    shadowlands suffers from extremely slowly developed content that is also extremely poorly designed in terms of character/expansion mechanics and atrocious story.
    Really stale seeing this ongoing thing of "cool kid" trash talking the story and mechanics when it's no worse than it ever was. What streamer told you to say that? Oh right you'll insist it's an original idea.... If you hate the story now, you always did. If you didn't before, you're just being a sheep.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    I'm as much in the dark as everybody else as to their real motives, but that they can't possibly come up with something in time to pull attention away from an expansion release is obvious...
    The data mined armor males me suspect they are going to turn torghast into a rapid leveling machine and try to draw people back with a 1-60 in six hours like they did with the orginal av retro event.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    I'm as much in the dark as everybody else as to their real motives, but that they can't possibly come up with something in time to pull attention away from an expansion release is obvious...
    So is dom sockets not being the same thing as tier sets and yet here we are anyways. The problem is you're giving Blizzard too much credit, you're assuming that the can see the giant red flashing sign in front of them when we're collectively pointing to it and saying "the sign is right there" but history has shown so far that they won't listen. Like I said originally, it is the absolutely most stupid thing they could do right now and that's why I think they're going to try to do it.

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by MrFawlty View Post
    You have spent 3000 hours in 9 months playing a computer game and the jokes on him? You need to grow up a little.
    I'm having fun for cheaper than in any other game pretty much, while he's bitching on a forum about a game he's probably not even playing anymore, yes, the joke is definitely on him
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  17. #137
    They need to just wrap this expansion up already and move on, no content and the overall theme is fucking stale it's the same shit over and over

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Swagbag View Post
    Come on, it was one dev :P Don't lump all of them together with that clown.
    thats not even what he said...
    pretty much what he said (dont remember the exact words) if peoples first reaction to those news is if the content will be delayed they are part of the problem

    and lets be fair, although he could formulate it better, he is not really wrong, if you hear someone have been sexualy harrased and your first reaction is "how will it affect ME" then you should rethink your priorities a bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    second half of 2022 is the soonest any new dungeon/raid can be expected.
    perhaps even last quarter of 2022 is the soonest.
    lol... how out of reality are you?
    IF the 9.2 patch got soo "teribly" delayed as 9.1 (1-2months compared to normal raid patch), or even a bit more, we would still get it in Q12022...

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore View Post

    I gotta say, I was honestly digging Shadowlands at launch. Crazy how off-track everything has gotten...
    This is how i feel too. I was loving SL so much at launch. I was just loving it so so much. And I know some people are still enjoying it, but I think for me this will go down as not only my least fav xpac, it will be my least fav by a very large margin.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    Except others did just that. It should have been slowed for MAYBE a month(slowed, not stopped). While everyone else moved on, it seems they stayed still.
    there was development "calendar" for FF posted some time ago, showing they are basicaly roughly 2.5 months behind

    wow raid patch normaly takes 5-6months (i think fastest was nighthold opening 4.5 months after previous raid), 9.1 took them 7m, so 1-2months behind usual, roughly 2.5 behind fastest...

    seems like they are behind pretty much as much as their "competition"...
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