The Most evil of every race

[Combatbutler]

Most didn't resist because they were "tricked", an excuse the Horde knows and loves to use. Then you had the actual fighters of the Draenei join the Army of Light and literally fight the against Legion for a thousand years. (Who ended up stomping the caveman so hard in another alternate timeline, the cavemen had to run away to another reality)

And the majority continued to run and condemned the worlds that hosted them as the good little parasites they are at heart, never adjusting their society to an all-time war one, all the while their leader acknowledging being culpable.

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But if you're completely set in your opinion and unwilling or unable to accept mitigating circumstances exist, then you're correct that there's no dialectic to be had. I think you've reached a bad conclusion based on insufficient evidence, but if your mind is made up then that's that.

Of course I won't change my opinion, I know everything there is to know about the situation and made my interpretation accordingly, you are willing to cut the squidfaced retcons some slack, I don't.

Same way the orcs deserved the internment camps and still got off too lightly

[Tripzzz]

And the majority continued to run and condemned the worlds that hosted them as the good little parasites they are at heart, never adjusting their society to an all-time war one, all the while their leader acknowledging being culpable.

The Army of Light was their warrior society. Throwing every single able body at the Legion would be incredibly stupid when the Legion literally uses souls as fuel for their powerful spells.

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The Draenei could have thrown everything they had against the Legion, been completely and utterly destroyed, and you would still blame the Draenei that they just fed the Legion a ton of souls and made them more powerful.

[Combatbutler]

The Army of Light was their warrior society. Throwing every single able body at the Legion would be incredibly stupid when the Legion literally uses souls as fuel for their powerful spells.

The army of the light isn't the majority of their race and leading them to entire worlds to harvest isn't moronic? And yes having each and every member of your society ready to fight in a war if necessary is a no brainer in this situation, but alas the squids always lacked one.

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The Draenei could have thrown everything they had against the Legion, been completely and utterly destroyed, and you would still blame the Draenei that they just fed the Legion a ton of souls and made them more powerful.

Nope I'd have said good riddance, bloody retcons.

[Tripzzz]

The army of the light isn't the majority of their race and leading them to entire worlds to harvest isn't moronic? And yes having each and every member of your society ready to fight in a war if necessary is a no brainer in this situation, but alas the squids always lacked one.

What do you think the Legion would have been doing if they weren't chasing the Draenei and destroying worlds along the way? Playing beer pong?

[Combatbutler]

What do you think the Legion would have been doing if they weren't chasing the Draenei and destroying worlds along the way? Playing beer pong?

The BC Draenei are a mistake, the legion would have done as the legion always did. Creating the squiddies instead of using the original race was wrong. The Draenei magic led the legion to these world they might have gone under the radar for several thousand more years otherwise, the draenei murdered literally unlimited potential, merely by existing.

So I am bored now and this won't most certainly go nowhere but it was fun

[Shadowferal]

Of course I won't change my opinion, I know everything there is to know about the situation and made my interpretation accordingly, you are willing to cut the squidfaced retcons some slack, I don't.

A hate boner for draeni and naaru...interesting.

[Ardenaso]

I'd say the Dwarven proper are "evil" in a sense that they drive out local inhabitants or do ethnic cleanse just to dig and mine

[javierdsv]

Genn Greymane is pure evil.

[TheRevenantHero]

Genn Greymane literally committed a war crime in Legion.

[Aucald]

hmmm... we have a stellar crew:


Human: Arthas (then Kel'thuzzad)
Orc: Gul'dan (then Garrosh)

Draenei: Kil'jaeden (then Archimonde)
Thalassian Elf: Sylvanas (then Dark'han)

Night Elf: Azshara (then Xavius)
Worgen: none

Forsaken: Putris
Tauren: Magatha Grimtotem

Dwarf: King Thaurissian
Gnome: King Mechagon

Goblin: Gallywix
Panda:

Troll: Prophet Zul

Interesting how several horde leaders actually make the list of most evil of race. However, it's the so called pretty/good races that are typically famous for virtue that have the most evil race members. (

More on topic, I would probably put forward the following candidates:

Human: Kel'Thuzad, Aedalas Blackmoore
Orc: Gul'dan, Garrosh

Draenei: Othaar/Socrethar, Thal'kiel (if you count the pre-demonic Eredar).
High/Blood Elf: Dar'Khan Drathir, Sylvanas.

Night Elf: Azsharas, Xavius
Forsaken: Putress, Lord Godfrey

Tauren: Magatha Grimtotem, Arnak Grimtotem
Gnome: Sicco Thermaplugg, King Mechagon

Dwarf: Sorcerer-Thane Thaurissan, Modgud Thaurissan
Darkspear Troll: Zalazane

Worgen: Ralaar Fangfire
Goblin: Jastor Gallywix, Trade Prince Donais

Pandaren: The Jade Witch (pretty much by default)

Differences I made involve the degree to which Arthas is culpable for his actions post-Frostmourne (e.g. having his soul devoured, being enslaved by the first Lich King, etc.), the notion that neither Archimonde nor Kil'jaeden actively chose evil, and the degree to which Sylvanas may not have been in full control of her actions with the reveal that part of her soul was missing. It was hard to think of any truly evil Pandaren, but the Jade Witch in the Jade Forest had a penchant for turning people into jade statues with little real justification for her actions, making her pretty much the evilest Pandaren we've seen. Their history with the Sha probably accounts for their overall low will-to-evil ratio.

[Myokony]

Ren'dorei: None.

Ye Alleria totally did not contemplate killing her own sister because a voice in her head told her to(and that before the SL shenanigans). lul

[Dazmalak]

Whose definition of evil are we going by?

Human: Anduin, Jaina: Guilty of forcing human potential of everyone and everything in sight. They are more corrupting than the Old Gods.

Night Elf: Tyrande: She's let her people stagnate and become a joke compared to their original incarnations. Any leader who allows Teldrassil to happen under their watch is about the epitome of incompetent. Or perhaps...intentionally negligent? Hm...

Worgen: Genn: Big bad werewolf pet to Anduin. Trying to start wars when world is being invaded by demons. Bad dog.

Gnomes: Hard to say. They have plenty of crackpot scientists doing all sorts of nefarious experiments on well...everything.

Dwarves: Oh Magni...becoming a slave puppet for the planet led us directly into the hands of our enemies time and time again. Pretty sure he is trying to kill us by throwing us at all these "villains". Never trust a dwarf that shiny.

Void Elves: Alleria literally looked at her people and said "yeah, no" and then tried to destroy the Sunwell while feigning ignorance. Total bitch move, definitely a void lord in disguise.

Draenei: Yrel is what the Alliance wishes it were; a dominating force of "good" that forces its will on others convert or die style.. Anduin will get on her level someday if he can get saved by all his friends.

Orcs: Saurfang betrayed his people and got adopted by Anduin. I'll never forget what he did to the Horde, and I'll never forgive him, either.

Tauren: Baine is actually on a whole other level from Saurfang, his depravity and cohorting with the enemy is completely off the rails. Again, his betrayal of the Horde is simply unforgivable.

Trolls: Actually, I'll put Zul'jin here. That rat bastard was cool af, but he decided to get himself gibbed as an npc raid boss. After all he and the Horde had been through, his betrayal stung quite a bit.

Blood Elves: Lor'themar is the closest to a villain in my eyes, because he -almost- turned traitor and fell to the dark allure of the Alliance hivemind. Shame, Regent-Lord. Shame.

Goblins: There are no evil goblins.

Forsaken: Calia Menethil shouldn't be here, because let's be honest...she isn't a Forsaken, but an Alliance human with makeup pretending to be dead. But as she is being forcefully pushed into Horde leadership for some reason, she gets the spot hands down for her attempt at brainwashing the poor free willed undead. Sylvanas is a close 2nd, though.

Pandaren: Who cares.

[Aresk]

Magni wasn't more evil than Thaurissian lol. Thaurissian kidnaps Moira to hold her hostage from Ironforge, Magni has him assassinated, because he still believed Moria was a prisoner and not his willing wife.

Not to mention Magni later spent two expansion communing with Azeroth to save the her from the Legion, the Old Gods and the massive hemorrhaging of her blood across the surface. This is in comparison to Thaurissian who made a deal with Ragnaros, putting the Dark Irons into his service.

I feel like the fact that Moira knew both well, fell in love with the person who was supposed to be her bloodsworn enemy, and hated her father, is enough evidence to show that Magni is not a great dwarf. Under his leadership, the dwarves committed genocide against tauren and defiled their ancestral lands.

Also, Dagran Thaurissan isn't the one who caused the Dark Iron dwarves to be enslaved by Ragnaros. Sorcerer-Thane Thaurissan is the one who summoned Rag, who then enslaved the Dark Irons and put Dagran to rule the dwarves as his servant.

[Syegfryed]

Race isn't really a function of biology, it's a division defined by phenotypic characteristics.

In wow race and species are close related, and most of the time the same, and yes it is about biology

Draeneis are the original Eredar, they just changed name, the demonic one, are changed eredar, they are the man'ari

Since, Kil'jaden and archimonde, came from the original eredar(the draenei race) it does make sense to put then on the same bag, maybe op should open a aprenthisis to highlight that interaction like,[I] Eredar(Draenei)[/i)

[Shaqthefat]

I feel like the fact that Moira knew both well, fell in love with the person who was supposed to be her bloodsworn enemy, and hated her father, is enough evidence to show that Magni is not a great dwarf. Under his leadership, the dwarves committed genocide against tauren and defiled their ancestral lands.

Also, Dagran Thaurissan isn't the one who caused the Dark Iron dwarves to be enslaved by Ragnaros. Sorcerer-Thane Thaurissan is the one who summoned Rag, who then enslaved the Dark Irons and put Dagran to rule the dwarves as his servant.

Magni wasn't a great dwarf, but he has done a lot for Azeroth and the rest of the world since Legion. Dagran is the one who made the deal with ragnaros, Sorcer-Thane summoned him but didnt make the deal

[Raisei]

Ye Alleria totally did not contemplate killing her own sister because a voice in her head told her to(and that before the SL shenanigans). lul

You... you mean the sister who was allied with a Death God that wants to wipe out the universe to make one that serves only him? The sister that nearly wiped out the Nightelves for fun? The sister that murdered innocents in sick expirements for decades?

Yeah, how ever could Alleria contemplate killing that shining beacon of truth, justice and innocence that is Sylvanas. In fact she didn't even contemplate it, it was just the Void telling her to do it, because Sylvanas was with the "Enemy of all" something that literally scared the voices into a panic. As it turns out they were completely right and killing Sylvanas at that point would have saved thousands of lifes. Sadly Alleria chose to resist the voices.

[mojusk]

panda: nomi

[Aucald]

In wow race and species are close related, and most of the time the same, and yes it is about biology

Draeneis are the original Eredar, they just changed name, the demonic one, are changed eredar, they are the man'ari

Since, Kil'jaden and archimonde, came from the original eredar(the draenei race) it does make sense to put then on the same bag, maybe op should open a aprenthisis to highlight that interaction like,[I] Eredar(Draenei)[/i)

Draenei changed a lot more than name, though - they stayed original to their species, more or less, whereas the Eredar were turned into demons. Not to mention the ~30,000 years' worth of social and genetic drift due to a smaller cross-section of the original species. Because of the now vast divide between the two extractions, it seems fitting to at least separate them in terms of identifying their members.

[Ardenaso]

I don't think Garrosh

Garrosh had Darkspears including civilians tortured to death and made to fight each other to the death under Orgrimmar for entertainment; they his own people as Warchief

[Combatbutler]

A hate boner for draeni and naaru...interesting.

Fun fact draenei are mid tier in terms of my personal warcraft races