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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    So what is a not-cosplay Socialist? David Frum?
    One thing is for sure, it most definitely isn't someone that fires people for trying to unionise or starting a workers co-op.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    It's always the same story. Jealous people want to usurp the person above them and take their decision making power. Even if the envious people haven't done anything to earn it and even if they're not the people who took the risk/time to start the organization in the first place, they still feel entitled.
    Since when is asking your dad for a loan a risk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Nevertheless, it is absolutely valid to assert that most people would rightly associate Marx with the modern day concept of socialism, as it was his cohesive school of thought that became the dominant voice within the broader socialist movement.
    Only if you've been subject to relentless propaganda
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    The main difference is that I pop into a thread once or twice a week if that, whereas you can't throw a dart at one of these threads on any given day without hitting 20 posts from Endus.
    This forum would be unreadable if it weren't for a short list of posters that provide quality commentary and I'd put Endus on that list easily. If it weren't for those posters, this place would be mostly Facebook tier "debate" and the same 3-4 fascist-leaning trolls occasionally shitting up threads until they get a mod-induced vacation. Those sorts of posters aren't interested in being anyone's "ally" regardless of how nicely you interact with them. They're not interested in discussion, they just want to get a rise out of you. This kind of behavior was much worse leading up to the 2016 election and this forum suffered for a couple of years after that, but we finally got some good mods to monitor the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    This kind of behavior was much worse leading up to the 2016 election and suffered for a couple of years after that, but we finally got some good mods to monitor the place.
    Eh I think its closer to the trolls graduated from being annoying assholes to shitheads posting perma-ban worthy comments. Maybe they were always closet racists but they minded their manners until Trump came along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Eh I think its closer to the trolls graduated from being annoying assholes to shitheads posting perma-ban worthy comments. Maybe they were always closet racists but they minded their manners until Trump came along.
    i like the geezer who turned into a full on evangelical preacher, i bet hes doing fine....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Endus, stop being a pedantic prick. You do it with alarming regularity and all it does is alienate potential allies in a discussion. There are ways to present salient information without being a jerk about it.

    Yeah... no... Theo gets what they deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    So doubling down on being a pedant then? All right, you do you. For someone who doesn't care about how others perceive them though, you sure do seem to expend an awful lot of time attempting to justify yourself. And as I am certain you are perfectly aware, the civility with which you present facts largely determines whether anyone is inclined to listen to your argument. It does not matter how correct you are if you are being such an impatient asshole that no one would be inclined to listen to you.

    Incidentally, I'm not sure if it's ever occurred to you that it is not your responsibility to disseminate what you perceive as truth or wisdom at every conceivable opportunity, particularly not on a gaming forum of all places. After watching you do the same old song-and-dance for the last decade, it's gotten rather trite. You are this forum's poster guy for the "Well, Actually..." compulsion, and while it may make you feel intellectually superior, it does little to foster constructive forum debate or conversation for anyone but you and your sycophants.

    PS: Yes yes, Marx was not the progenitor of the varying socioeconomic principles that formed the foundation of socialism. Nevertheless, it is absolutely valid to assert that most people would rightly associate Marx with the modern day concept of socialism, as it was his cohesive school of thought that became the dominant voice within the broader socialist movement.
    I see a lot of the pot calling the kettle black in this post......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    You think firing people for organizing a union is in any way aligned with socialism. Seriously?
    Co-ops aren't unions. Co-ops are worker owned businesses. These employees don't own the business, so they aren't entitled to just doing what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Co-ops aren't unions. Co-ops are worker owned businesses. These employees don't own the business, so they aren't entitled to just doing what they want.
    Yes, that's the capitalist response to this kind of thing.

    Which is the hypocrisy given that the owner has played up supposed socialist leanings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Yes, that's the capitalist response to this kind of thing.

    Which is the hypocrisy given that the owner has played up supposed socialist leanings.
    I've learned over the last while that a lot of socialists are complete and utter hypocrites who will grift to profit off the backs of other socialists. Look no further than Hasan Piker, used socialist talking points to grift his way into a 3 million dollar mansion. So much for hating on capitalism, eh? Nathan Robinson is just another example of someone playing pretend as a socialist in order to enrich themselves off the backs of gullible and ignorant socialists on the internet. These guys have played anyone who bought into their grift like Yoyo Ma playing a god damn Stradivarius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Co-ops aren't unions. Co-ops are worker owned businesses. These employees don't own the business, so they aren't entitled to just doing what they want.
    Little late to that conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    I've learned over the last while that a lot of socialists are complete and utter hypocrites who will grift to profit off the backs of other socialists. Look no further than Hasan Piker, used socialist talking points to grift his way into a 3 million dollar mansion. So much for hating on capitalism, eh? Nathan Robinson is just another example of someone playing pretend as a socialist in order to enrich themselves off the backs of gullible and ignorant socialists on the internet. These guys have played anyone who bought into their grift like Yoyo Ma playing a god damn Stradivarius.
    oh Jesus Christ knock it off with the "being forced to partake in capitalism means you're a hypocrite" nonsense. I mean never mind the fact that any house that's up for sale in west Hollywood at this time is going to be over 2 million AT LEAST. but this idea that you need to live in a cardboard box in order to criticize capitalism is a bullshit talking point. it's the system we are forced to operate in.

    the guy is a Twtich streamer no one is being fooled into throwing their money at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    I've learned over the last while that a lot of socialists are complete and utter hypocrites who will grift to profit off the backs of other socialists.
    Sure. And?

    Look no further than Hasan Piker, used socialist talking points to grift his way into a 3 million dollar mansion. So much for hating on capitalism, eh?
    As I went over earlier, not an example of anything relevant.

    Supporting a socialist model does not mean one should not pursue success while living within a capitalist model. It means you shouldn't make use of exploitative means while seeking that success.

    Which Piker didn't, as he made his money as a Twitch streamer, and most Twitch streamers don't have any employees at all. Working with other professionals or services like Twitch is not the same thing as exploiting workers to profit off their labor. If there are any such issues with those he partners with, that's an issue with their models, not Piker's.

    "Socialist bought a house" is not the gotcha you apparently think it is, and just demonstrates bad faith.


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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    oh Jesus Christ knock it off with the "being forced to partake in capitalism means you're a hypocrite" nonsense. I mean never mind the fact that any house that's up for sale in west Hollywood at this time is going to be over 2 million AT LEAST. but this idea that you need to live in a cardboard box in order to criticize capitalism is a bullshit talking point. it's the system we are forced to operate in.

    the guy is a Twtich streamer no one is being fooled into throwing their money at him.
    you are only allowed to critique capitalism if Engels pays your rent and living expenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post

    "Socialist bought a house" is not the gotcha you apparently think it is, and just demonstrates bad faith.
    didnt milkshake make a thread about that with some girl, WE HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    I've learned over the last while that a lot of socialists are complete and utter hypocrites who will grift to profit off the backs of other socialists. Look no further than Hasan Piker, used socialist talking points to grift his way into a 3 million dollar mansion. So much for hating on capitalism, eh? Nathan Robinson is just another example of someone playing pretend as a socialist in order to enrich themselves off the backs of gullible and ignorant socialists on the internet. These guys have played anyone who bought into their grift like Yoyo Ma playing a god damn Stradivarius.
    There's no evidence that Hasan doesn't mean what he says. There's no virtue in being poor while advocating for socialist reforms. That's just plain idiocy and ineffective.

    Nathan Robinson is a better example of a hypocrite who doesn't want those reforms to apply to himself. Sort of like Ben Shapiro who chastised others for not debating and letting feelings interfere with facts and then turned around and threw a grade A temper tantrum and walked off the stage during a BBC when pressed on his views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    you are only allowed to critique capitalism if Engels pays your rent and living expenses.
    I mean I'm not against he idea of criticizing Hasan given he should donate or use his wealth to improve the community, but that's criticism I'll take from people who actually want to engage in community action. not this bad faith garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    I mean I'm not against he idea of criticizing Hasan given he should donate or use his wealth to improve the community, but that's criticism I'll take from people who actually want to engage in community action. not this bad faith garbage.
    i refuse to learn who hasan is and none of you will make me

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    didnt milkshake make a thread about that with some girl, WE HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE
    Yeah, there was a similar thing about a BLM leader who, as a sign of overwhelming corruption by virtue of "living in the USA and drawing a salary for your labor", bought a house. Which clearly meant there was no racial injustice in America and a black person owning property must mean a crime's been committed, somehow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    i refuse to learn who hasan is and none of you will make me
    a pretty good looking guy... that does a lot of commenting/debate on politics on twitch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Yes, that's the capitalist response to this kind of thing.

    Which is the hypocrisy given that the owner has played up supposed socialist leanings.
    Most countries with "socialist leanings" haven't done much experimentation with worker co ops. It's not hypocrisy to say that you are a socialist business owner who doesn't want to turn their business into a worker owned coop against their own wishes.

    If this guy was a union busting piece of shit who didn't want to pay his employees what they are worth then I'd be with you but that doesn't seem to be the case in this story.

    Worker coops are not unions. Really poor showing on your part here Endus conflating the two.

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