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  1. #161
    Who is this guy anyway?

    The graphs pretty much sum up what everyone knows though. We're nearing rock bottom with no light at the end of the tunnel.
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  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    He's not using the data of one patch. He's comparing it to all other patches from 7.1 to now. Did you watch the video you posted?

    Furthermore, this is more about analysing trends using datasets from the same source (raider.io). It doesn't have to be a 100% accurate depiction of sub/player numbers or whatever because it is about an overall trend shown by these numbers and this trend is very steeply downward compared to other patches. Now, you could argue that the players that are collected in these datasets somehow behave vastly different than the entirety of the playerbase but I haven't seen any convincing reasoning in support of this view.
    There is no data the can be recorded on the entire playerbase via third party. Just based on that, there will never be convincing evidence for the latter unless bliz outright show the data.

    We can only go off of what can be trusted and raider.io is fairly popular enough to be a credible source. How its presented can be a different story.
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  3. #163
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    When the stress test alphas were happening in August 2004, I knew today August 2021 that I would be here on MMO-C.com (Even though I've only been coming here since 2007) - just for posts like this: WoW Is DEAD, why even play

    Seriously though: if people just come here to say the games dead, why even waste your time? It was dead in 2004, it was dead in 2005.. its been dead the WHOLE TIME right? lmfao

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivarr View Post
    Bellular analyses WoW's health.
    Who? And why would I give a shit what they think?

    And what does M+ have to do with anything? I've been playing since vanilla and I don't run M+. I don't enjoy 5-man content; I miss the 72-man raids from EQ. If his point was that M+ is shit, then I agree. But M+ doesn't affect me, a very long term player, because I don't run those. That would be like posting the numbers of players who completed pet battle dungeons; sure, it's a number, but it does not reflect the health of the game.

  5. #165
    So is that where we're at on this website now? Letting advertisements go on for hundreds of replies?
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  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by InfernalDark View Post
    Why should we care what random youtube guy thinks
    If you don't care then you don't care? Is your personal opinion so feeble that you feel you must remind us that you are capable of thinking differently than a youtuber? It's good data and gives a decent picture as to what's going on.

    One thing I thought interesting is when he noted that this data is before all the PR and lawsuit stuff that happened, which also led to even more people quitting the game. Q3 report is going to be very interesting to see when it comes due.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    So is that where we're at on this website now? Letting advertisements go on for hundreds of replies?
    So we're not allowed to talk about any youtube videos for fear that somebody, like yourself, only perceives it as ''free advertising''?
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  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazmalak View Post
    I suspect his numbers are a rough estimate, but not totally inaccurate. No one I know plays the game anymore. Anectdotal? Sure. How many of you have a lot of gray names in your guild and friend lists?
    we've lost 2 due to recent events, gained more though.

  8. #168
    Bellular pumped out about 100 videos without doing any research and analysis. He did nothing but eviscerate and ridicule Blizzard over things that have been going on since WOD. But, he didn't see it because he was too busy evangelizing the game like a googly eyed fanboy. 4-5 months later, he decides to do some actual and look at the numbers and you praise him and promote his video. Pathetic.
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  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Usernameforforums View Post
    There is no data the can be recorded on the entire playerbase via third party. Just based on that, there will never be convincing evidence for the latter unless bliz outright show the data.

    We can only go off of what can be trusted and raider.io is fairly popular enough to be a credible source. How its presented can be a different story.
    Yes tere are. That data are literaly pulled out of WoW armory.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    So we're not allowed to talk about any youtube videos for fear that somebody, like yourself, only perceives it as ''free advertising''?
    Bellular won't ever notice you just because you advertise his videos on a random website.
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  11. #171
    Why again is what this dude says worth discussing?
    I mean fame is sooner something to be held against him because, frankly, the majority is stupid and most famous-because-of-media people tend to reflect that strongly.

    I mean we wouldn't care if, say, Kim Kardashian pretended to know something either would we?
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  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Bellular won't ever notice you just because you advertise his videos on a random website.
    You see very infatuated with him for some reason? I am looking at the substance of the video, you are fixated on the man, calm down a bit.

  13. #173
    Since we are allowing just blatant advertisement with no substance, here's a meme to reflect this thread starter: I call it "YouTuber who doesnt Play WoW Cannot Stop Making WoW Videos"

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  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias1337 View Post
    Yes tere are. That data are literaly pulled out of WoW armory.
    Then why are people having a bitch fit over the data? They cant handle the truth?
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    How the fuck is this trolling?

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  15. #175
    Bellular is just the worst. He's been shitting on the game in his videos for many years now and he hasn't really accomplished anything in the game either.

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    Who is this guy anyway?

    The graphs pretty much sum up what everyone knows though. We're nearing rock bottom with no light at the end of the tunnel.
    He's a youtuber that started small with some WoW news and his thoughts and shit, tried to branch out into other games and failed, tried to make his own game and failed, and then switched to clickbait and wow bashing to keep his channel alive once he realized what was making him money. It's kinda sad and funny to see his video thumbnails change through the years.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazmalak View Post
    How many of you have a lot of gray names in your guild and friend lists?
    Between TBCc and Retail, my friend list hasn't been this active in years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    Not if his audience loves to see WoW die. Just look at this forum. There are people here who haven't played the game in years and still they come here to share their uninformed opinion.
    i haven't played 'retail' in 2 years, and i haven't played 'classic' in 1 year, please tell me as someone who has played the game at the highest levels, and as a casual player on and off for the lifespan of this game, how am i 'uninformed' when i have said 'WoW is dying/dead' for years now, and the trend has just kept going, it's not rocket science to see a trend, identify that it will get worse, and here we are, it got worse, and now everyone is surprised to find out that (not counting china) worldwide the game has barely 1 MILLION total unique players assuming an avg alt count of 2-3/person.

    there's been memes about 'WoW is dead' since the enormous sub fall off in cataclysm, however the difference at that time was that WoW really was the only go to option for this type of game, and even the utter dogshite expansion of WoD and its catastrophic sub decline weren't enough to kill the game because again at the time it was really the only place to get the kind of gameplay and wealth of content that the game had, now today, there's so many different games within the MMORPG genre that are comparable and/or BETTER than WoW, that people are leaving for good in their droves, this isn't an 'opinion' this is an immutable fact, and those that leave are not coming back, as seen by the raiding numbers alone, sure the whales are whaling harder than ever before now to keep the game 'profitable', once they have been pushed to breaking point you will quickly see what most critics and sceptics have been saying for years and years now, but if your ignorance and delusion allow you to sleep better at night then by all means keep being a closed minded ignorant fool defending a washed up piss poor excuse for game developers and a game studio living 10 years in the past.

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  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazmalak View Post
    I suspect his numbers are a rough estimate, but not totally inaccurate. No one I know plays the game anymore. Anectdotal? Sure. How many of you have a lot of gray names in your guild and friend lists?
    From a group of 20+ who started at various stages from Vanilla through to Cata, 2 still play, everyone else has moved on - all since SL launched except for 2 who quit late BfA. Im sure there are just as many who will say the opposite though.
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  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivarr View Post
    Less than optimal when the business model relies on monthly subscriptions.
    Hence why they despreately need to move away from subs. Expansion price with no sub free, most people would play if that were the case. People would still buy gold for tokens and more stuff from the store.
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