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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    I don't care about Ubisoft, i don't play their shitty games. I care about Activision/Blizzard, because i used to put my money on that. But not anymore. A female worker commit suicide because a guy was passing her photos to other guys and making fun of her....Fuck those assholes.
    That's the not point whether you play (or like) their games or not. The reason I am bringing this up is because Ubisoft has been through this a year ago. You should really look it up before saying that Activision/Blizzard is in deeper trouble. They too were caught in not just some complaints, but in real criminal charges to both Ubisoft as a legal entity and to several current and to former employees including several people high up in the chain of command. This even included the CEO, who even though was not directly involved, allowed the harassment to flourish within the company. They went through a big purge and several changes were made, although many people who were problematic are still there. Only the really bad cases were terminated. The point I am making is that history is showing us that those things will blow over and will have been forgotten in a year from now. They'll get a slap on the wrist and move on. People will still buy their games. What makes this different?

    So Activision/Blizzard is not finished because of this. This is becoming one of those thread of 'OMG WoW is dead' which we have seen periodically for the past 15+ years now.

    The majority of people playing games are not active on forums and/or don't read news on the company making these games. They don't give a f*** about this issue. It may seems like a huge scandal here on MMo-Champ, but in reality, it will barely have an impact on the masses. The reason people are still playing WoW is not because they are addicted. It is because nothing good has ever come close to it. Some people will follow the streamers for a while and try other games, realize it's shit and eventually come back.

    This is not specific to the gaming industry anyways. It is part of a much bigger issue of companies in any area dominated by guys/nerds, such as anything computer, engineering, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikah View Post
    That's the not point whether you play (or like) their games or not. The reason I am bringing this up is because Ubisoft has been through this a year ago. You should really look it up before saying that Activision/Blizzard is in deeper trouble. They too were caught in not just some complaints, but in real criminal charges to both Ubisoft as a legal entity and to several current and to former employees including several people high up in the chain of command. This even included the CEO, who even though was not directly involved, allowed the harassment to flourish within the company. They went through a big purge and several changes were made, although many people who were problematic are still there. Only the really bad cases were terminated. The point I am making is that history is showing us that those things will blow over and will have been forgotten in a year from now. They'll get a slap on the wrist and move on. People will still buy their games. What makes this different?

    So Activision/Blizzard is not finished because of this. This is becoming one of those thread of 'OMG WoW is dead' which we have seen periodically for the past 15+ years now.

    The majority of people playing games are not active on forums and/or don't read news on the company making these games. They don't give a f*** about this issue. It may seems like a huge scandal here on MMo-Champ, but in reality, it will barely have an impact on the masses. The reason people are still playing WoW is not because they are addicted. It is because nothing good has ever come close to it. Some people will follow the streamers for a while and try other games, realize it's shit and eventually come back.

    This is not specific to the gaming industry anyways. It is part of a much bigger issue of companies in any area dominated by guys/nerds, such as anything computer, engineering, etc...
    Had a discussion with a guildmate a few weeks ago about WoW & FF14. We're both waiting until all the streamers get done with the bulk of the game and only have end game to do each day over there. Right now it seems all the streamers are comparing the whole of FF14 to Korthia.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Really? And what about all the huge bunch of players leaving the game....

    People knew that Shadowlands was going to be bad since BETA, and moved on to other things. But other players keep playing it, just for the sake of playing it....It sounds more like addiction to me.

    If you ask me, most of my friends, my entire guild (around 200 players) and many other left the game. Last time i played Shadowlands was during the last patch, and it became a graveyard after a week. My guild was dead, and even the guilds of my alts were all dead. Is just the bunch of players that are too addicted to the game, that are unable to move on to play something else. There is no other way to explain it as just plain "addiction".
    The huge bunch of players that left have nothing to do with the players that remain. Im sure they left because they dont enjoy the game or other various reasons.

    You have 0 way of knowing that the ppl that are still playing are "playing it, just for the sake of playing it". It is ridiculous to claim that ppl are only playing a game because of addiction instead of actual enjoyment.

    I personally stopped playing shadowlands because I'm enjoying tbc more. But I played season 1 and really enjoyed getting KSM. I just can't be bothered to look up the new seasonal affix, whatever the fuck a domination socket is, and start grinding rating again. If I had put in a little more time in the beginning of this season id definitely be playing. Or did I only enjoy mythic + because I was addicted?
    Some people think rape threats are acceptable, smh.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    The same reason why you are calling a "rape threat" online from a complete stranger as harassment? Why wouldn't you shrug that off when it has 0% chance of actually happening?

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Really? And what about all the huge bunch of players leaving the game....

    People knew that Shadowlands was going to be bad since BETA, and moved on to other things. But other players keep playing it, just for the sake of playing it....It sounds more like addiction to me.

    If you ask me, most of my friends, my entire guild (around 200 players) and many other left the game. Last time i played Shadowlands was during the last patch, and it became a graveyard after a week. My guild was dead, and even the guilds of my alts were all dead. Is just the bunch of players that are too addicted to the game, that are unable to move on to play something else. There is no other way to explain it as just plain "addiction".
    Still waiting for any other mmo to introduce the equivalent of m+ or the challenge of a mm raid. As long as there is none, you will have people playing wow.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    I mean...how else should i call that?. Shadowlands feels like a "chore" or even as a "torture", there is no way someone would be actually hook up to the story of Shadowlands or even the endgame content. I never seen World Quest so boring as the one in Shadowlands. Or even the abussing "systems" over "systems" that Shadowland has. If someone is actually having fun with that, is impressive.

    Once the last patch hit live, i was able to play it for at least 1 week, before being burnout by it. It was just horrible. And the story line was even worst.

    The last time, i actually had fun with WoW was in Legion. BFA was garbage. The only good thing about Shadowlands is the Zandalari Trolls and their land, outside of that, is just a big pile of crap.

    That is the reason, that i believe, that someone that is actually having "fun" with Shadowlands, is just pure "addiction". There is no enjoyment in that content. Not even the raids, story or other activities inside the game.
    The way you feel about shadowlands is perfectly valid. But for every sentence you typed up about shadowlands, "to me" should be added at the end.

    "Shadowlands feels like a chore or even torture to me."

    "There is no enjoyment in that content to me."

    I think you are just heavily biased. Its fine to hate the game, but not logical to make the claim that the ppl still playing are only doing so because they are addicted.
    Some people think rape threats are acceptable, smh.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    The same reason why you are calling a "rape threat" online from a complete stranger as harassment? Why wouldn't you shrug that off when it has 0% chance of actually happening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Well, that point is valid, because "to me", Shadowland is just terrible. But for real, who actually find those "systems" in Shadowlands "fun"?. Also i call it "addiction", to players being "unable" to even try something else, like its WoW or nothing. For example: Once you are done with WoW content, move to something else, like ElderScrolls Online, FF14, Fallout76 or whatever you like to play. Spend 100% of your time into just 1 game, that is not even worth it....is addiction. i tried Shadowlands last patch and it took me 1 week "to me" to get bored of it and let my other 20 days go to waste, while i was playing other games (Rollercoaster Tycoon 2, Skyrim, FF14, Fallout 3,4,76, Doom 3, Blood, etc). I even started to play ElderScrolls Oblivion at the beginning of the year and it was really good!.

    My point here is also how people defend WoW. Like if the game was actually worth it. I defend FF14, because people give up on it, because A Real Reborn is kinda boring, but that is actually the problem related to the first steps that FF14 took in order to became a game, once you pass that content, the game gets 100% better.

    But i resume that addiction is equal to the idea of playing WoW day and night, even when the content is bad + not having anything else to do inside the game. Because dont lie to me, patch 9.1 is so freaking small to keep you playing for that long. If you keep playing over and over again that crap, it means you are just addicted to be in front of the PC all day with WoW.

    Now, "for me", i do more things than just FF14 and once I'm done with the MSQ (that im actually that close to complete it), i will move to something else, unless FF14 has anything else to offer...
    They don't try other games because unlike you, they are actually enjoying something about shadowlands. Might be mythic raid or m+, maybe its arena, maybe its pet battles or tmog collecting. I really enjoyed m+. If I could log on right now to a char with decent ilvl and jump into m+15+, id play that weekly.

    I can guarantee you that most ppl logging in daily, aren't sitting there thinking to themselves "fuck this is awful i don't want to play." The ones that did think like that have left.
    Some people think rape threats are acceptable, smh.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    The same reason why you are calling a "rape threat" online from a complete stranger as harassment? Why wouldn't you shrug that off when it has 0% chance of actually happening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Well, that point is valid, because "to me", Shadowland is just terrible. But for real, who actually find those "systems" in Shadowlands "fun"?. Also i call it "addiction", to players being "unable" to even try something else, like its WoW or nothing. For example: Once you are done with WoW content, move to something else, like ElderScrolls Online, FF14, Fallout76 or whatever you like to play. Spend 100% of your time into just 1 game, that is not even worth it....is addiction. i tried Shadowlands last patch and it took me 1 week "to me" to get bored of it and let my other 20 days go to waste, while i was playing other games (Rollercoaster Tycoon 2, Skyrim, FF14, Fallout 3,4,76, Doom 3, Blood, etc). I even started to play ElderScrolls Oblivion at the beginning of the year and it was really good!.

    My point here is also how people defend WoW. Like if the game was actually worth it. I defend FF14, because people give up on it, because A Real Reborn is kinda boring, but that is actually the problem related to the first steps that FF14 took in order to became a game, once you pass that content, the game gets 100% better.

    But i resume that addiction is equal to the idea of playing WoW day and night, even when the content is bad + not having anything else to do inside the game. Because dont lie to me, patch 9.1 is so freaking small to keep you playing for that long. If you keep playing over and over again that crap, it means you are just addicted to be in front of the PC all day with WoW.

    Now, "for me", i do more things than just FF14 and once I'm done with the MSQ (that im actually that close to complete it), i will move to something else, unless FF14 has anything else to offer...
    Are you done with wow content ? Did you clean all mm at at least 20 ? Did you kill sylvanas mm ?

  8. #168
    ‘Shadowlands has crap content’.

    ‘Yeah; but have you finished the crap content at the highest difficulty setting? NO!’.

    Logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    ‘Shadowlands has crap content’.

    ‘Yeah; but have you finished the crap content at the highest difficulty setting? NO!’.

    Logic.
    Thank you for your input, mr lfr warrior.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Is clear that Activision/Blizzard HR Department actually got the complains from the workers on paper, and instead of doing something, they ignored them + destroyed the evidence that the complain was done. What else could they have destroyed? Emails?....
    Actually yes, they could be talking about the emails. People are familiar with the concept of shredding paper, it works exactly like that when you're talking about Electronic Records Management or Document Scanning.

    A great many places are going to ERM as there can be lots of benefits to it, some government agencies won't accept non-electronic documents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    The dungeons are already ugly and boring af. Doing M+ on content that i dont like is a waste of time. You have no idea how much i dislike Shadowlands dungeons. BFA dungeons are bad but Shadowlands are even worst.

    You mean actually going into a raid (with a plot, that i clearly dislike), spend the time trying to kill her...No thanks. Just by looking at the fight on Youtube is boring enough.

    I think you don't get the idea....The problem is Shadowlands. Its color, the story, the design of the dungeons, the transmog....you name it. There is 0 things that i would actually spend my time trying to get. I did 4 of the factions to unlock the transmog i liked and that's all. I'm done with it.

    Now....if you mention FF14. The dungeons are so freaking awesome, that i love doing them again on different difficulty. Each fight is unique. Every boss both his "design" and "environment" is awesome to experience. From ElderScrolls the dungeons are also fun to do, but they feel "simple" vs "FF14". Also I'm quiet done with ESO for now.

    I really don't need to kill Sylvanas to actually enjoy the game. If i already dislike the raid, i think there is nothing for me there. Its not Ulduar, Its not the Black Templar....And its more like N'zoth v2.0. No thanks.
    Also you forgot to mention that FF 14 pve is easy. The dungeons, while having awesome design and encounter design, are piss easy and boring to do once you did them one time. Same goes for raid. The Savage Raid are on par with heroic raiding in wow at best.

    So all you said, is "according to my opinion" and not facts. That is all we needed to know.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Also you forgot to mention that FF 14 pve is easy.
    It'll be awesome if we get real data on whether hard content actually benefits an MMO's commercial performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    I'm going to stop you right there. "easy"?. Dude, have you ever seen Trials on Extreme? That shit is "asian" level hard!. Also i have wiped on several bosses from the dungeons in the MSQ. Some of them are a real bitch to beat.

    WoW is easy af. That is a known fact. That is why the players are leaving WoW in waves.
    Yes, I did. They are nicely design and awesome encounter, but they are all choregraph dance which you need to learn by heart. There are no random factors (or very few for it to matter). And again, that only concern the raids. Dungeons are normal/lfr easy. Tanks are doing wall to wall in dungeon, and there is no strat to deal with trash. Boss are just telegraphed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    It'll be awesome if we get real data on whether hard content actually benefits an MMO's commercial performance.
    Wildstar showed you cant make the entire game hard. With pure hard content your game just dies cause too many get excluded and leave.
    Anyone who played wow for 2-3 expacs should have witnessed personally at least 50% of the playerbase cant even process avoid standing in fire despite playing for more than a year. People are incredible incompetent but still need to win if you wanna keep them in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    ‘Shadowlands has crap content’.

    ‘Yeah; but have you finished the crap content at the highest difficulty setting? NO!’.

    Logic.
    Difficulty =/= fun.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Because fuck you, that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Dude, I tank those dungeons and Trials. That is not true. I'm almost done with the MSQ and each boss is unique. I wish it could be wall to wall in dungeons, i have to move the fuck out of AOE shit and instant death abilities that are being used. On Trials, as a alt tank i have to take the aggro of adds.

    Here is an example of one of those fights i loved:


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    Yep, true.

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    That is because most of them are kids, drunks or even guys on drugs playing WoW. WoW design their fights to be retarded easy so people feel like they are "winning". Otherwise, they will leave the Raid/Dungeon.
    Ah; I guess you are the lfr warrior type if you are having difficulties with msq dungeons. Yes, FF 14 dungeons are nice (really nice deisgn, nice arts, etc...) but they are easy, period. You can wall to wall during leveling without issues if you know what you are doing. It is even worse at level max when a geared tank takes really everything between doors.

    And raids and trials from roulette are standard versions of the figth, akin to lfr and are easy for a decent wow raider.

    And currently, wow has the hardest and most challenging pve overall in the mmorpg genre.

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    The issues in regard to the lawsuite was just the topping. BLZ had brain drain and staffing of people not being gamers primarily.
    Its not a coinsident WoW turned into a pay2win over the past 5-6 years while subscriptions went down the drain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    The dungeons are already ugly and boring af. Doing M+ on content that i dont like is a waste of time. You have no idea how much i dislike Shadowlands dungeons. BFA dungeons are bad but Shadowlands are even worst.

    You mean actually going into a raid (with a plot, that i clearly dislike), spend the time trying to kill her...No thanks. Just by looking at the fight on Youtube is boring enough.

    I think you don't get the idea....The problem is Shadowlands. Its color, the story, the design of the dungeons, the transmog....you name it. There is 0 things that i would actually spend my time trying to get. I did 4 of the factions to unlock the transmog i liked and that's all. I'm done with it.

    Now....if you mention FF14. The dungeons are so freaking awesome, that i love doing them again on different difficulty. Each fight is unique. Every boss both his "design" and "environment" is awesome to experience. From ElderScrolls the dungeons are also fun to do, but they feel "simple" vs "FF14". Also I'm quiet done with ESO for now.

    I really don't need to kill Sylvanas to actually enjoy the game. If i already dislike the raid, i think there is nothing for me there. Its not Ulduar, Its not the Black Templar....And its more like N'zoth v2.0. No thanks.
    You not liking certain content doesn't actually mean its not content. You're not that special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Another good point, one that got me banned 3 or 4 times here in MMO-Champion. World of Warcraft became a big "Pay-To-Win" with the passing of the years. The Token and The Boosts the main reasons. It seems, that Activision/Blizzard became happy just to farm all the money they can from this game as they see. its becoming bigger and bigger each year to the point it cost a lot of money to keep it running.

    Just imagine all the people that they need to keep content from 2004 to 2021 working as intended + create new content for it. No wonder why they had to update the "old quests" armor items that we saw this week on MMO-Champ news. (By the way, that armor looks awful).
    I doubt that was reason you got banned (yet somehow are still here unfortunately). And WoW being "pay2win" isnt some new thing, that concept has been around for almost 2 decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackofwind View Post
    Difficulty =/= fun.
    I know dude. I agree. People don’t realise raiding isn’t the be all end all of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    I know dude. I agree. People don’t realise raiding isn’t the be all end all of the game.
    Sure, pet battles is !

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