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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    I think the "opium" has not so much to do with Marx ("alocohol is the opium of the working class") than to get images into peoples head of the opium wars and the resulting uneven treaties which still is a big topic in china - it's basically Nationalism.
    Marx referred to religion as being “ the opium of the people “ , not alcohol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    (so your country is pretty shit too when it comes to how it treats its LGBTQ community), what percentage of your population are you willing to see jailed, murdered, beaten etc for absolutely no reason before you give a fuck? 1%? 5%? If it's let's say just 0.9% are you ok with that?
    And how exactly does Romania treat its LGBTQ community? Tell me more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    Both are violations of freedom, one just affects a billion while another affects a few million.
    Lmao China does not have a billion kids.

    Better fight anything else that kids are not allowed to do too, kids not being allowed to watch porn or 16+ movies is also clearly a violation of rights now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Lmao China does not have a billion kids.

    Better fight anything else that kids are not allowed to do too, kids not being allowed to watch porn or 16+ movies is also clearly a violation of rights now.
    Yeah, because playing online games and porn is comparable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    Yeah, because playing online games and porn is comparable.

    They are both restricted and very popular, yes. But 16+ movies are a better example.

    Or smoking... or alcohol.. or even energy drinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    They are both restricted and very popular, yes. But 16+ movies are a better example.

    Or smoking... or alcohol.. or even energy drinks.
    In what universe is playing an online game comparable to smoking? Online games aren't dangerous for your body.

    I feel like I'm talking to my technologically challenged grandfather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    In what universe is playing an online game comparable to smoking? Online games aren't dangerous for your body.
    people playing games extensively are at risk of rsi... back pain due to bad posture because most people have shit posture when at the computer... sleep problems... most also don't move enough during the day as is and then they go home to play games...

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    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    In what universe is playing an online game comparable to smoking? Online games aren't dangerous for your body.

    I feel like I'm talking to my technologically challenged grandfather.
    Yeah, whatever, you enjoy your oppressed gamer spiel. At the end of the day, its not doing to change that limiting online playing time for kids is nothing even close to LGBT or minority oppression we see in china. You know, the kind that also applies to adults?

    But if you really think online gaming is perfectly harmless.. you really need to re-consider your previous statement. Not that its the state's job to regulate that, but i'm not going to cry over it being regulated when it comes to kids[its impossible to hard-enforce anyway]
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post

    But if you really think online gaming is perfectly harmless..
    Anything can be harmful. Gaming does not have any inherent harm attached, unlike drugs and alcohol.

    you enjoy your oppressed gamer spiel
    It's not oppressed gamer, it's oppressed population. Your government has no business limiting your Internet access, your education or deciding how you would spend your free time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    people playing games extensively are at risk of rsi... back pain due to bad posture because most people have shit posture when at the computer... sleep problems... most also don't move enough during the day as is and then they go home to play games...
    That's an issue with a school system that has you sit on your ass for half the day with no physical exercise. You wanna blame something for the back pains, blame sitting in a cubicle/chair all day at work/school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    Anything can be harmful. Gaming does not have any inherent harm attached, unlike drugs and alcohol.
    Which is why a lot of things are limited when it comes to kids.

    alcohol is fine in moderation.
    It's not oppressed gamer, it's oppressed population. Your government has no business limiting your Internet access, your education or deciding how you would spend your free time.
    All governments do when it comes to kids.


    lmao crying opression over online vidya for kids though
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post

    alcohol is fine in moderation.
    Not for kids, no.

    All governments do when it comes to kids.
    What government in the civilised world gets to cut off my Internet to 2 hours a week? lol.

    lmao crying opression over online vidya for kids though
    4chan called they want their shitposting back

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    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    Not for kids, no.
    yeah, we have different rules for kids all over the world, who knew.

    What government in the civilised world gets to cut off my Internet to 2 hours a week? lol.
    Keep on missing the point.



    4chan called they want their shitposting back
    Seems more like your site, they probably agree with you on how limiting online gaming time for kids is somehow worse than oppressing minorities and LGBT folk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post




    Seems more like your site, they probably agree with you on how limiting online gaming time for kids is somehow worse than oppressing minorities and LGBT folk.
    Where did I say it's worse lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    Where did I say it's worse lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    Both are violations of freedom, one just affects a billion while another affects a few million.

    Its even on this page lmao[again should be noted China has no where near a billion kids]
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Its even on this page lmao[again should be noted China has no where near a billion kids]

    Nice strawman, but I said one affects more people, not that it's worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    Nice strawman, but I said one affects more people, not that it's worse.
    Nice backpedaling, it was a direct response to me calling you out over caring more about online game for kids than any other issue. Again, far more people are harmed by any suppression of LGBT rights or minority rights than a kid only being able to play for 3 hours a week.


    Parents limiting gaming time must probably be child abusers by your logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Again, far more people are harmed by any suppression of LGBT rights or minority rights than a kid only being able to play for 3 hours a week.


    .
    Depends on your definition of harm. I find the government deciding how much I can use my PC to be a deprivation of liberty, and since a totalitarian government that spies on me is bad, no. You are incorrect. There are far more children than LGBT people in CHina, and this affects parents, too. Maybe I want to play WoW with my kid and I can't because of the government.



    Nice backpedaling

    Not a backpedaling at all, you don't get to put words in my mouth.

    Parents limiting gaming time must probably be child abusers by your logic.
    I refer to my initial question. Are you just... socially inadequate?

    The issue isn't the government limiting gaming time, it's the government deciding how I can use my free time. It doesn't matter if they limit gaming, TV or books. It's no business of theirs.

    This is some dystopian shit, and I'm done replying since no one should have issues understanding this.
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  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Do the measures have something to do with the "lay flat" thing?

    Yes. But the CCP cannot see the forest for the trees.

    Do video games and androgynous pop stars have anything to do with the "lay flat" thing?

    No. The problem is a toxic work culture and generally shit society that people have to live in.

    Does the way you formulated your question suggest you think entertainment is somehow tied to some sort of "social decline" and that you think the measures are somehow appropriate?

    Yes.

    So....Be less weird.
    So when people don't go to work because it is toxic what is something they might do at home though?

    I wonder.

    So.. be less... mean?

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    It is understandable in the context of how China's youth is taxed with the responsibility of taking care of their elders and how their schooling system is structured where your grades will determine the rest of your life much more so than for us in the west.

    We also have to take note that gaming in China is not done from a PC as it is done here, mobiles are a far more popular and accessible platform this is also why Tencent has gotten so big due to being a key player on everything mobile but that is worthy of another discussion.

    I do think there is some merit in their approach as parents sadly do not always know best, but i do have other concerns about this beyond just how effectively this can be done on a large scale, it does seem to ruin childhoods or at least it takes a part of the children freedom and also free development out of their hands, pair this with an increasingly effort to make their lives all about "for the glory of the motherland" with a heavy nationalistic undertone seems troublesome in the long run.

    Mind you that China already has re-education boarding schools to send troublesome ( kids that do not score well in school) kids to, what is something parents do make use off.

    At one end i looks like it might produce quite hard working and educated young adults but the problem i see here is you cannot treat people like machines they have other needs, emotional needs and this seems to be more and more neglected in a race to become the worlds leading nation. I am of opinion that this is going to just create a greater group of extremes (read generation that rebels against the establishment) and this might come back and really hurt their dream of turning every soul into a good contributing member of society, however they seem to be trying to take control of everything they for example have an official party rapper to promote the state to counter the rap and hiphop scene in China.

    China is actually a quite fascinating country if you are able to not let your biases dictate your thinking and are able to not look so binary at the nation as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    So when people don't go to work because it is toxic what is something they might do at home though?

    I wonder.

    So.. be less... mean?
    You can enjoy video games and whatever other forms of entertainment in your free time too, one doesn't replace the other. You can be a metalhead, a weeb, a rapper, an anime freak whatever and be gainfully employed and have active and healthy social lives. Attempting to restrict people from having fun to somehow squeeze more work hours out them is fucking pointless and is likely to make the original problem worse.

    A healthy work-life balance is one where you work to live and not live to work. Take out of the "live" bit and all you end up with is an apathetic dead society that hates itself.

    Japan has experienced this and the US is experiencing it too (more and more noticeably too), tho in the US we spent decades convincing people that "consuming" is a substitute for living, a trick people are buying into less and less.
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