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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    You can always hit them with the "you're worried about people claiming to be women so that they can peek at underage girls in locker rooms or bathrooms, but not worried about the men who could do that to underage boys right now?"
    Yah so many big scary ones like these that the right wing/religious right are so afraid of.

    I mean really I think its a bigger problem if they walk into the men's room. Sure seems like a bigger "risk"



    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    666 new Texas laws go into effect September 1.
    These laws include abortion restriction, permitless carry, criminalizing homeless camping and whitewashing history.

    The legislature is currently in its second special session, which Abbott primarily called to advance the GOP-backed voting restrictions bill. Lawmakers are discussing other topics, including changes to the bail system and limits on transgender Texans from competing on school sports teams. At least one more special session will be called this fall to address redistricting.


    I don’t understand how big cooperation that are eying Texas as a place to HQ. Well who needs rights when your company's investors gets targeted tax rebates.
    Texas is a test run for what is planned for the rest of the US once the GQP are back in power. I think we just may be seeing a real life version of Gilead forming right in front of us.

    This is what happens when you tolerate intolerance and it is only going to get worse from here on out.

    And no, voting won't fix this. GQP will have the elections rigged for 2022/2024 and have the full support of a GQP SCOTUS. This is a plan that has been 50+ years in the making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Conservatism is just pointless cruelty. There's no real substance to it aside from that.
    It isn't pointless though. It is how they hold on to power and enrich themselves while keeping the country in the stone ages. This is coming from a former conservative with a family full of conservatives. My conservative parents are likely spinning in their graves. They would be absolutely ashamed what has become of the party and ideals they believed in. I know without a shadow of a doubt they would have turned Democrat just like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    I dont think it's pointless. That phrasing gives them the slightest hint of plausible deniability, which they dont deserve.

    I find myself agreeing with Adam Sewer, The Cruelty Is the Point
    President Trump and his supporters find community by rejoicing in the suffering of those they hate and fear.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
    https://www.thenation.com/article/ar...hern-strategy/

    For those too lazy to click the links:

    You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”
    Conservatism at least in the US is just repackaged Jim Crow bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    I know people worship RBG, but this highlights how selfish and stupid it was of her to not retire earlier. It also highlights the stupidity of people that didn't bother voting in 2016 that would have voted for Clinton.

    Democrats do this kind of thing to themselves time and time again. They never fucking learn. They're doing it again even now regarding issues like voting rights. Republicans are playing a completely different game while dems twiddle their thumbs.

    A lot of lefties are gonna blame republicans for what's happening in Texas, but no. This is exactly what we already knew they wanted to do. There's no surprise here. This is happening because dems lack spine. It's always been a problem of theirs for at least my entire adult life.
    She did what she thought was the right thing to do. I don't blame her for it. I blame the GQP and the idiots who enable them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    RBG was already around 80 partway through Obama's first term. That's plenty old enough to retire. Honestly, she should have retired shortly after Obama won his first term. She was in her late 70s at that point. There's no reason for her to continue other than pure selfishness.

    It's happening right now with Breyer. We are now suffering the consequences of RBG's mistake and Breyer is repeating it. Maybe this will wake him up and cause him to actually put the country first instead of his own desires? Who knows.
    Biden administration needs to find a way to impeach the newer SCOTUS judges and yes they absolutely 100% can be impeached not to mention we can just add more judges. Don't blame RGB for the inaction of Democrats. We have solutions to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    It isn't pointless though. It is how they hold on to power and enrich themselves while keeping the country in the stone ages. This is coming from a former conservative with a family full of conservatives. My conservative parents are likely spinning in their graves. They would be absolutely ashamed what has become of the party and ideals they believed in. I know without a shadow of a doubt they would have turned Democrat just like me.
    The only way they've been able to hold on to power is through anti-democratic institutions like the Electoral College and the Senate. Trump would have never became president if we elected presidents like a real democratic republic.

    As far as my comment about their cruelty being pointless goes, I think I should have phrased it better. Imo, modern conservatism (i.e., the "MAGA Patriot" who hates Democrats, liberals, blm, immigrants, and plays Toby Keith on repeat) is cruel for the sake of being cruel. It doesn't have a real ideological foundation. They don't have a foreign policy or plans for job creation. It's a political movement built upon hatred and resentment. Their position is contrary to whatever position the Liberal consensus currently is. If that means telling your base not to get a vaccine for an incredibly infectious virus with a kill count over a million globally, then goddamn it they're not getting that pussy vaccine. It's literally the mindset of a spoiled fucking toddler, and a wise man once pointed out that childishness is sinister in adults.
    Populists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
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    So if anyone wanted to shoot their blood pressure through the roof in anger and disgust here is Legal Eagle explaining the Texas bounty hunter abortion law and how Conservatives in the Supreme Court have destroyed the legitimacy of the Supreme Court all the while they signaled the end of Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    sip
    I will never fucking understand the conservative mind. There's really nothing there beyond a deep uncontrollable urge to punch down, torment people and just to make the world an all around shitty place. It's like fucking psychotic children pulling wings off flies or torturing kittens for shits and giggles.
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    It doesnt destroy the land to bury styrofoam 25 feet below the ground
    Today Obama once again kneeled at the altar of environmental naziism and hurt this once great country. He has now banned all drilling in the Atlantic Ocean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    I will never fucking understand the conservative mind. There's really nothing there beyond a deep uncontrollable urge to punch down, torment people and just to make the world an all around shitty place. It's like fucking psychotic children pulling wings off flies or torturing kittens for shits and giggles.
    It's angry reacionaryism. Conservative traditionalists were so cozy sitting in their lofty position of social privilege that they see any attempt by anyone else to rise from their station as a personal attack against themselves.

    And like any spoiled child who's not used to hearing mommy tell them 'no', they throw violent shit-fits and scream their heads off that the world is ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post


    So if anyone wanted to shoot their blood pressure through the roof in anger and disgust here is Legal Eagle explaining the Texas bounty hunter abortion law and how Conservatives in the Supreme Court have destroyed the legitimacy of the Supreme Court all the while they signaled the end of Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
    So basically because the State of Texas left the enforcement of its law to the citizen instead of State actors, the 5th circuit and Supreme Court didn't know if Roe v. Wade and attendant legislatures actually applied to the law, yet instead of pushing an injunction to block it until the proper procedures were exacted they decided to let it go and basically admit that the State legislature outplayed them and that its reward would be to trample over the SC's rulings?

    Yeah, I get this would make people angry. It's a nakedly political decision where the highest court in the land surrenders its authority when politically convenient. The court stacking ensured the likely death of Roe v. Wade anyway but the procedure is highly shifty at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    So basically because the State of Texas left the enforcement of its law to the citizen instead of State actors, the 5th circuit and Supreme Court didn't know if Roe v. Wade and attendant legislatures actually applied to the law, yet instead of pushing an injunction to block it until the proper procedures were exacted they decided to let it go and basically admit that the State legislature outplayed them and that its reward would be to trample over the SC's rulings?

    Yeah, I get this would make people angry. It's a nakedly political decision where the highest court in the land surrenders its authority when politically convenient. The court stacking ensured the likely death of Roe v. Wade anyway but the procedure is highly shifty at best.
    Watching the video breaking down the law structure and the - admittedly dubious - reasons the SC decided to not rule on it... How's the law in anyway enforceable? Like I'm sure he got into that, but the jargin's so all over the place I can't quite figure out how you enforce a law that doesn't involve the state enforcing it in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Watching the video breaking down the law structure and the - admittedly dubious - reasons the SC decided to not rule on it... How's the law in anyway enforceable? Like I'm sure he got into that, but the jargin's so all over the place I can't quite figure out how you enforce a law that doesn't involve the state enforcing it in the first place.
    It's not, that's the point. The whole point of the law is to circumvent all that shit and simply leave every abortion services provider on a guillotine. The whole lawsuit is structured with the intent to allow for meritless lawsuits against providers, which the providers much legally defend against. This means potentially thousands of lawsuits from randoms, who can have their lawsuits funded by wealthy Republican backers. Lawsuits which the providers must respond to, meaning hiring armies of lawyers to handle them.

    And if the sue-ers win? They get their legal fees back. If the abortion services provider wins? They do NOT get their legal fees back. Because that's the point, to financially bankrupt abortion service providers since they can't legally stop abortions.

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    666 laws that go in effect on 1 day?

    how does that even work, that would require voting on 1 law every 15 minutes for 4 weeks straight assuming they work 8 hours a day.

    that's an insane number even if it was a years worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellobolis View Post
    666 laws that go in effect on 1 day?

    how does that even work, that would require voting on 1 law every 15 minutes for 4 weeks straight assuming they work 8 hours a day.
    They only meet every other year so yeah, basically what they do during a session. They also extended this session twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Imo, modern conservatism (i.e., the "MAGA Patriot" who hates Democrats, liberals, blm, immigrants, and plays Toby Keith on repeat) is cruel for the sake of being cruel. It doesn't have a real ideological foundation. They don't have a foreign policy or plans for job creation. It's a political movement built upon hatred and resentment. Their position is contrary to whatever position the Liberal consensus currently is.
    I see this a lot where I am.
    My maga aunts husband wished death to all democrats at the last dinner I had with them.
    Like fucking jihad.
    We weren't talking politics either lol.
    Coincidentally, he listens to Toby Keith.
    Also, he hates me.

  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    [Legal Eagle video]
    Man...I kind of wish I hadn't watched that. Made my blood boil all over again.

    I still hold out hope that these theocratic sacks of subhuman garbage don't have the balls to overturn Roe v. Wade or PP v. Casey because they know that will light a fire under the rest of the country to eject their worthless asses from as many places of power as possible. But that hope is very slim at the moment.

  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Watching the video breaking down the law structure and the - admittedly dubious - reasons the SC decided to not rule on it... How's the law in anyway enforceable? Like I'm sure he got into that, but the jargin's so all over the place I can't quite figure out how you enforce a law that doesn't involve the state enforcing it in the first place.
    As Edge- said, the point isn't to enforce it as it is, the point is to squeeze clinics tight by burying them in lawsuits until they give up, or close up shop to avoid said suits (which if I understand right is already happening). Obviously the legal challenges regarding this aren't anywhere close to done, both at the State and federal level, but even if by some miracle the SC eventually rules the law unconstitutional and it gets repealed, the damage will already have been done, most if not all legal abortion centers will have closed up shop and the service will have been greatly set back.

    Not to mention other Republican States are likely going to write their own laws doing the same thing now that the floodgates have been opened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    I will never fucking understand the conservative mind. There's really nothing there beyond a deep uncontrollable urge to punch down, torment people and just to make the world an all around shitty place. It's like fucking psychotic children pulling wings off flies or torturing kittens for shits and giggles.
    It's not that complicated. It's just divorced from any level of basic decency.

    They're angry and unhappy people. Why doesn't even really matter, save that there is no easy solution (their job sucks but they can't get a better one, black people exist, the JEEEEEWS, take your pick). Because they can't fix what makes them upset, the only way they can feel better is by making sure someone else suffers worse. Conveniently, this often lines up with what's making them upset in the first place, giving them a double-whammy. Consider a racist dingbat who hates black people. By being cruel to black people, they both A> hurt black people and their quality of life, making the racist feel better about their lot, and B> possibly actually contribute to societal change to oppress black people more concretely, to boot.

    The cruelty is the point. It isn't to achieve some noble goal, it's always in pursuit of some greater cruelty. There is no exception that I have seen, at this point. I used to try and give them a lot more benefit of the doubt, assuming there must have been something I wasn't seeing, but the last 5 years or so have really ripped that blindfold right off, as they've stopped pretending.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    (which if I understand right is already happening)
    Yes, some clinics of opted not to offer any abortion services, including prescriptions for medication. It's not worth going bankrupt and not being able to offer other health care/reproductive care services which are sorely needed. It's sadly the lesser of two evils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Yes, some clinics of opted not to offer any abortion services, including prescriptions for medication. It's not worth going bankrupt and not being able to offer other health care/reproductive care services which are sorely needed. It's sadly the lesser of two evils.
    Couldn’t someone, in theory, sue anyone or really any entity for suspicion of this crime? They’d have to defend themselves regardless.

    Someome could launch all sorts of scurrilous lawsuits against any entity they didn’t like under the pretense of them braking this law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Couldn’t someone, in theory, sue anyone or really any entity for suspicion of this crime? They’d have to defend themselves regardless.

    Someome could launch all sorts of scurrilous lawsuits against any entity they didn’t like under the pretense of them braking this law.
    I'm not familiar enough to say for sure but...maybe? A read of the law indicates that it's theoretically possible, just with an absolute guarantee you'll be stuck with legal fees and won't get the bounty.

    But if some wealthy liberals wanted to go on a rampage, I suppose they could sue all kinds of Republican officials and non-healthcare companies asserting that they were involved with providing or funding abortion services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Couldn’t someone, in theory, sue anyone or really any entity for suspicion of this crime? They’d have to defend themselves regardless.

    Someome could launch all sorts of scurrilous lawsuits against any entity they didn’t like under the pretense of them braking this law.
    Yup. And they'd investigate all of them. That's part of why people were giving false info on the texas snitches website. Like reporting Cruz's wife and kids, Abbot's, and others in the legislature. Even if they don't investigate thoroughly, there should be a mention/report filed about them possibly having an abortion or aiding and abetting.

    I'm picturing 2032, "Candidate Cruz, what about this report filed saying your teenage daughter having an abortion in 2021? Did you drive her or your wife?"
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