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  1. #781
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Always best to remember that the bigger streamers for nearly any game are all about keeping subscriptions and ad revenue up and will say anything that will help that. That's why it's just not smart to think that their opinion means anything. It saddens me to see so many people allowing these folks to do their thinking for them. But I suppose that's part of what humanity does. It's just easier with social media.
    streamers/youtubers feed of negativity. Imagine a content creator out there defending wow right now. He would plummet into nothing. Just wait and see when 10.0 is announced and released. First its initial hype and positive talks. Then beta hits with positive feedback which turns into negative spins. Then xpac launches, everyones happy with positive talks cause its new. Months down the line its not new anyore and the negativity loop assumes once again.

  2. #782
    Negative video headlines will always get more clicks which at the end of the day is what these people are after.

    “In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually, they will hate you.”

  3. #783
    The thing is that all those streamers are watched mostly by MMO players or WoW players. They wouldn't get so many views if they wouldn't speak the truth in some way.
    Also a lot of streamers get messages from their viewers who are often MMO- or WoW-players. So even when they don't play the game in the same way as average WoW player they still get a lot of feedback from active and in-active WoW players.

    I agree that you should always be critical about the stuff that streamers rant about. But somehow it also reflects what the community thinks about the game. Otherwise they wouldn't get those views especially from active and ex-WoW players.

    Also FF14 developers oriented a lot on community feedback to design their game and it worked out pretty well...

  4. #784
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Man this hits too close to home stahp
    Yes, all these anima grind and rep required to be viable in end game content, hit so close to home xD.

  5. #785
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTaurenChieftain View Post
    The thing is that all those streamers are watched mostly by MMO players or WoW players. They wouldn't get so many views if they wouldn't speak the truth in some way.
    Also a lot of streamers get messages from their viewers who are often MMO- or WoW-players. So even when they don't play the game in the same way as average WoW player they still get a lot of feedback from active and in-active WoW players.

    I agree that you should always be critical about the stuff that streamers rant about. But somehow it also reflects what the community thinks about the game. Otherwise they wouldn't get those views especially from active and ex-WoW players.

    Also FF14 developers oriented a lot on community feedback to design their game and it worked out pretty well...
    Exactly. Just like the news, I view all viewpoints to formulate an opinion on my own. Even if they're speaking to a certain group, I'm not going to discount what they say simply because it's not my POV.

    I don't get the hate against streamers/YouTubers; they too play the game even if it's not like the average player. Why should their voices not be heard because they're now a "figurehead", so to speak?

    They wouldn't have the traction they'd have if what they were saying didn't contain at least a modicum of truth. So what's the big deal with these kind of threads?

  6. #786
    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    I always get a chuckle out of such attitudes.

    It's like going to a restaurant where a chef makes truly atrocious meals. When the customers complain about how awful it is, the chef takes the same attitude. If you are such a great chef, why aren't you making the food? /eyeroll

    People don't need to be game designers to know what they enjoy and what they don't. People don't need to be in the industry to provide critical feedback.
    The problem is some people think they are representative of the community/fans/majority when in fact they are representative of themselves only. You can have opposite opinion of what is good and what is bad. Neither are true and neither of false.

    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    I don't need to be an auto mechanic to know that my car shouldn't be leaking oil all over the pavement.
    Not exactly the same comparison. This is example of something that is broken. Not working. Not whether it is good or bad.

  7. #787
    In all honesty blizzard should be looking at some of these private servers for ideas, some of them have done stuff they should have long ago.
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  8. #788
    wow has run its course. time to put a bullet in its head. end it. put it out of its misery. take it off life support.

  9. #789
    But, isn't WoW currently designed by someone who was literally a raid leader, so a normal player like Bellular, Asmongold, etc.?

    But should I be surprised that an obvious bait thread went on for 40 pages and is still going? Not really, No. It's MMO-Champion after all.

  10. #790
    The only efamous people I can think that might have done a good job at Blizzard are Neilyo, Reckful, and Tosan. Bigmoran can go on that list too. Everyone else is just an average joe like you and me who might have 1-2 ideas for a specific area but couldn't make the game better. Would've been smart of Blizzard to just listen to feedback and think about what people are suggesting and they could've made an amazing game with the collective feedback for all areas.

  11. #791
    The game is dying, people are playing TBCC and hyping for SoM, while Live has literally no content in 9.1.5 to face Endwalker or any new game.

    Sic transit gloria mundi

  12. #792
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    But, isn't WoW currently designed by someone who was literally a raid leader, so a normal player like Bellular, Asmongold, etc.?

    But should I be surprised that an obvious bait thread went on for 40 pages and is still going? Not really, No. It's MMO-Champion after all.
    That's the thing! People who raid or do Mythic+ don't represent the majority of players. People doing progression-oriented content or competitive content are often not the majority in many games. So saying that a raid leader represents the majority of players is simply false.

    The percentage of people that raid in WoW may have grown since Classic, but the majority of players didn't do this content back in the day and doesn't do it now. And now all the other content EXCEPT raiding is simply not that good. If you think that the average WoW players does M+15 runs or raids every week, you are mistaken.

    I personally think this is exactly the problem with WoW. That the whole game solely focusses on raiding and M+ right now. This is why all the casual players who originally liked open world content, questing etc. already left.

    This is why WoW Classic got so popular. People loved open world content and riding around Azeroth and exploring stuff.
    The current game doesn't encourage exploring and excitement anymore. It is simply a dungeon/raid simulator, where you queue for stuff and wait for the next queue to pop instead of exploring a digital world.
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  13. #793
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTaurenChieftain View Post
    That's the thing! People who raid or do Mythic+ don't represent the majority of players. People doing progression-oriented content or competitive content are often not the majority in many games. So saying that a raid leader represents the majority of players is simply false.

    The percentage of people that raid in WoW may have grown since Classic, but the majority of players didn't do this content back in the day and doesn't do it now. And now all the other content EXCEPT raiding is simply not that good. If you think that the average WoW players does M+15 runs or raids every week, you are mistaken.

    I personally think this is exactly the problem with WoW. That the whole game solely focusses on raiding and M+ right now. This is why all the casual players who originally liked open world content, questing etc. already left.

    This is why WoW Classic got so popular. People loved open world content and riding around Azeroth and exploring stuff.
    The current game doesn't encourage exploring and excitement anymore. It is simply a dungeon/raid simulator, where you queue for stuff and wait for the next queue to pop instead of exploring a digital world.
    The only reason raiding still is a thing comes from LFR, not m+ or mythic raids. As you said, most people dont do high m+ keys or mythic raids. They never will do either. LFR has made sure the number of people doing the raids are kept up.

    And I agree with you - this game should be alot more than m+ & mythic raids.

  14. #794
    Quote Originally Posted by Dioporco View Post
    Sic transit gloria mundi
    There's a phrase I would have never expected to come up on these forums.

  15. #795
    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    There's a phrase I would have never expected to come up on these forums.
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  16. #796
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    But, isn't WoW currently designed by someone who was literally a raid leader, so a normal player like Bellular, Asmongold, etc.?

    But should I be surprised that an obvious bait thread went on for 40 pages and is still going? Not really, No. It's MMO-Champion after all.

    This right here. What makes me laugh about this click bait thread is that the opinions here isn't the streamers making the game bad. Shit.........Blizzard is doing that to thier own selves at this very moment. Can't blame anyone else for that shit.
    Be careful who you chat it up with here on these forums. If you are NOT for WoW and about WoW, people will report whatever you say and get you banned

  17. #797
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    And on that same token, people can not enjoy WoW.

    But that doesn't mean that their opinions on how the game should be made are particularly informed or relevant. Hell, we still have to deal with the player-driven "remove flying" nonsense every expansion, and the removal of flight is one of the most fatiguing things that turns WoW into a chore. You burn people out early on in the expansion cycle because it takes so damn long to do anything. But hey, that was a design choice driven by player whining circa end-of-MoP.


    I don't follow the WoW youtubers... they all seem like generally insufferable people who have found there are more clicks to be had from the people that played WoW for a long time and treat it like some bitter ex, and tailor their content as such. As such, the fact that they're some schmuck with a youtube channel doesn't make their opinions particularly informed or valid.
    To be fair... the "remove flying"-thing is only still an issue for the same reason the rest of the game is full of it now. They at some point simply stopped listening. But im also not convinced that they ever really did this due to the players, rather than them wanting to remove it to begin with and using that as an excuse once the backlash grew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoundOfGuns View Post
    To be fair... the "remove flying"-thing is only still an issue for the same reason the rest of the game is full of it now. They at some point simply stopped listening. But im also not convinced that they ever really did this due to the players, rather than them wanting to remove it to begin with and using that as an excuse once the backlash grew.
    I always got the sense that it was due to them listening to players. At least following the attitude on the forums, it really seemed to be something that cropped up around the middle/end of MoP, when they would have been working on WoD.

    I really don't think it was a decision Blizzard would have made themselves, as evidenced by the first four expansions having flying unlockable without any extra fuss or muss. People loved it in BC. It was integral to leveling in WotLK. People at blizzcon cheered when old world flying was unveiled for Cataclysm. And MoP was a fine expansion with flying unlockable at max level for a simple fee.

    However, them not switching back is definitely a mistake. I don't know if that's their own pride, the notion that it artificially inflates content by making it all needlessly take longer, or the few but vocal holdout players that still thinking flying "ruins immersion" or somesuch nonsense. Maybe a combination of all three.
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  20. #800
    So people say most people dont raid or do m+ and the game shouldnt be designed purely for that, but how should it be made, how would you make the game different? No flame or trolling meant, maybe cus i started seriously playing in bfa but i just dont get what there is to do at max level except to raid, pvp and do m+. Why would you do quests when you dont get xp anymore at max level? How did people do dungeons before m+ when it never got harder the higher the key level, wasnt that boring? Maybe im just damaged from having started playing when i did I just honestly dont get what there is to do in an mmorpg at max level except to do end game content like raiding and m+, and maybe rp for people who are into that.

    Quests just for the sake of questing? And mount farming i think i is a new thing for the most part since its only once we got some expansions behind us that you could go back and solo old content.

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