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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by Chriisto View Post
    If you do raid prog but refuse to do M+ then you are being carried. If you are just raid logging and putting no effort into improving your character then you are literally a burden on your group.

    I think of it like this - It's a team sport and you refuse to turn up for practice each week before we play because you think you are better than everyone else even though you are overweight and never score.

    What does everyone else think? We have a few people like this in my guild and it really pisses me off. It probably shouldn't but it honestly makes me feel like giving up when some of us are throwing everything we have at a boss whilst others may as well be afk. I know, find another guild. I just do not understand people like this and how little shame they must have.
    Thank you for proving the swamp cesspool that most assume of the M+ community is actually a fact and no longer an assumption.

  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantera View Post
    I'd say it's quite common in most guilds no matter how serious they are that you get a few people at the top of the spectrum clearly putting in more time/effort into performing well and you get a few near the bottom of that scale who put in minimum time/effort, so maybe not that surprisingly you end up with some people thinking others in their guild are carried, or other people thinking the ones at the top are tryharding.
    This was the exact situation in my last guild. The only way to get rid of this is to join a guild with the same mindset as your own like I had to. Sometimes you would like everyone to put in an expected level of effort into their chars, if they don't then move on.

  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by Erous View Post
    Thank you for proving the swamp cesspool that most assume of the M+ community is actually a fact and no longer an assumption.
    nah, m+ community is fine
    MMO-C community (and other forums to be fair) on the other hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chriisto View Post
    If you do raid prog but refuse to do M+ then you are being carried. If you are just raid logging and putting no effort into improving your character then you are literally a burden on your group.

    I think of it like this - It's a team sport and you refuse to turn up for practice each week before we play because you think you are better than everyone else even though you are overweight and never score.

    What does everyone else think? We have a few people like this in my guild and it really pisses me off. It probably shouldn't but it honestly makes me feel like giving up when some of us are throwing everything we have at a boss whilst others may as well be afk. I know, find another guild. I just do not understand people like this and how little shame they must have.
    Spoken like a raider salty because he got gkicked for starting fights with his guildies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erous View Post
    Thank you for proving the swamp cesspool that most assume of the M+ community is actually a fact and no longer an assumption.
    Indeed, the more you read in these boards from the M+ self styled pros, the more it tells you about who actually the game is catering to.
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    Shadowlands could have had half it's timegated, grindy, restrictive, pointless mechanics removed and replaced with nothing and it would have just been a straight up better game for it.

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Rozz View Post
    Not really, encouraging the OP for trying to call out ppl for casual behavior in a casual guild says more about you all tbh

    It's toxic behavior. He literally said "I just do not understand people like this and how little shame they must have."

    Like, what's wrong with yall?
    in the end you or anyone else doesn't have to do m+ if they don't want to
    but it's not about that, it's about why are ppl making the issue so big like it's important decision ( i don't want etc )
    it's just 1-4 dungeons per week, you don't have to analyze the situation any further, not everything is worth making a big deal of

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruitbasket102 View Post
    in the end you or anyone else doesn't have to do m+ if they don't want to
    but it's not about that, it's about why are ppl making the issue so big like it's important decision ( i don't want etc )
    it's just 1-4 dungeons per week, you don't have to analyze the situation any further, not everything is worth making a big deal of
    But them not wanting to is what OP is making a big deal out of and you agree w/ the mocking sentiment.

    That's strange and unhealthy, it's a game.
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  8. #228
    if you wanna be a casual that brags about touching grass thats fine

    just stay out of my fugging heroic/mythic raids.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by fruitbasket102 View Post
    in the end you or anyone else doesn't have to do m+ if they don't want to
    but it's not about that, it's about why are ppl making the issue so big like it's important decision ( i don't want etc )
    it's just 1-4 dungeons per week, you don't have to analyze the situation any further, not everything is worth making a big deal of
    Oh, in the end we have, because there’s nothing to do PvE side besides that and raids to raise our ilvl.

    And since in the game there’s nothing to do apart from trying to increase the ilvl… do the math.

    Luckily enough it’s not my problem anymore, went back to D3 and D2R where I can have all the gear I want playing whatever class/spec I want and in the way I want.

  10. #230
    To the OPs first post (which, I haven't read more of the thread because I don't have time for that), someone being carried is entirely dependent on the rest of the people this hypothetical person is playing with. It's really not a claim you get to make outside of your personal raid group.

    But this thread also goes to show some of the serious problems this game is facing right now.

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by Chriisto View Post
    If you do raid prog but refuse to do M+ then you are being carried. If you are just raid logging and putting no effort into improving your character then you are literally a burden on your group.

    I think of it like this - It's a team sport and you refuse to turn up for practice each week before we play because you think you are better than everyone else even though you are overweight and never score.

    What does everyone else think? We have a few people like this in my guild and it really pisses me off. It probably shouldn't but it honestly makes me feel like giving up when some of us are throwing everything we have at a boss whilst others may as well be afk. I know, find another guild. I just do not understand people like this and how little shame they must have.
    Real neato, kid. I've got better things to do then slave away at game system I have no interest in. Congrats. You've fallen victim to the skinner box. If you want to push world first progression, then, well, you said it - find another guild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selah View Post
    To the OPs first post (which, I haven't read more of the thread because I don't have time for that), someone being carried is entirely dependent on the rest of the people this hypothetical person is playing with. It's really not a claim you get to make outside of your personal raid group.

    But this thread also goes to show some of the serious problems this game is facing right now.
    Our raid groups got literally one person in our group that pushes the most content he can to get the most gear he can. Good on him. He plays a class that isn't particularly meta, but he does good damage. Sometimes he's top. That's great. He puts a lot of effort to do good damage on a class that doesn't do that great of damage. Meanwhile we got other people that MIGHT do 1 +15 a week if they're feeling frisky. Sometime they out-damage him, sometimes they down. My personal opinion is that this amazing DPS of ours shouldn't have to push himself to do every single thing he can each week to have an advantage. I know he has better things to do. The mythic+ system for gearing is hot garbage.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Sagenod View Post
    Wow there's a really sensitive moderator pandering to OP's reporting isn't there...

    Imagine feeling upset that someone isn't putting as much work as you are into a video game... A VIDEO GAME. Not a job. Stop trying to make your guildies treat it like one because that's what you like to do. If you can't handle playing with casuals it's time to move on friendo.

    You don't understand how little shame people have in playing the game they want to... Seriously mate? You need a reality check
    Exactly this, also as someone stated before - there are many things that are more important. Playing mechanics correctly, using defensives, not putting extra strain on your raid healers by moving shit out of the group or soaking it.

    Of course, you can overgear things. It makes it easier, but don't pretend that you are a top player then.

  13. #233
    By the OPs logic, anyone who doesn't play the absolute meta class/spec and who's raid composition is the pure cutting edge meta composition is doing it wrong and is wasting everyone's time

    Yeah, I'm sure the 3 dps I'll gain from grinding out cancer content like Korthia is worth it....

  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilithvia View Post
    Spoken like a raider salty because he got gkicked for starting fights with his guildies
    more like person who is in wrong guild

    he is clearly focused on progres while his guildies arent.

    and instead finding guild with people who have similiar view ike him he is wondering how to bully his guildies into spaming m+

  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by fruitbasket102 View Post
    in the end you or anyone else doesn't have to do m+ if they don't want to
    but it's not about that, it's about why are ppl making the issue so big like it's important decision ( i don't want etc )
    it's just 1-4 dungeons per week, you don't have to analyze the situation any further, not everything is worth making a big deal of
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    Excuses for what? This is a video game. Go outside.
    you are missing the point idiot

  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by Chriisto View Post
    If you do raid prog but refuse to do M+ then you are being carried. If you are just raid logging and putting no effort into improving your character then you are literally a burden on your group.

    I think of it like this - It's a team sport and you refuse to turn up for practice each week before we play because you think you are better than everyone else even though you are overweight and never score.

    What does everyone else think? We have a few people like this in my guild and it really pisses me off. It probably shouldn't but it honestly makes me feel like giving up when some of us are throwing everything we have at a boss whilst others may as well be afk. I know, find another guild. I just do not understand people like this and how little shame they must have.
    How much lower is their dps though? Are we talking about percentages, or just decimal percentages? Because in the end it matters a LOT more how good the player is at doing mechanics, than having 3 more ilvls.

    That being said, you should really look into trying to find a guild that shares your mindset, its a whole new world and you will most likely love it.
    Being in a guild that doesnt share your mindset gets on your nerves in the end. Never be afraid to move from one guild to another, especially if its because you have higher goals. I've left alts in the more social raiding guilds, then moved my main to the new hardcore and enjoyed both guilds at the same time, not breaking bonds and just having fun. Most leaderships will understand you if you just explain to them that you want to move on.
    Being a bitch and whining about people not pulling their weight and eventually rage quitting the guild is never good though.
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    The 10% reward. It's was unspoken rule that you DONT attack other faction so everyone could enjoy the 10% reward. But now no one cares about that anymore

  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by scubi666stacy View Post
    Exactly this, also as someone stated before - there are many things that are more important. Playing mechanics correctly, using defensives, not putting extra strain on your raid healers by moving shit out of the group or soaking it.

    Of course, you can overgear things. It makes it easier, but don't pretend that you are a top player then.
    Ironically those are things that one becomes good at by doing content that can kill them regularly outside of raids as well, such as m+.
    I can guarantee you that the average Raidlogger Randy, who does nothing but bitch about "mandatory grinds," will die in a fire much more frequently than someone who actually plays their character.
    (Although of course I know that obviously every raidlogger in this thread is amazing at mechanics and so are their guildies )

  18. #238
    I used to be one of the players you describe in the OP.
    Then i gave in and started doing my weekly M+.

    I lasted about 2 months, then decided WoW just isn't my game anymore.
    Now i have more time than I ever did, and Blizzard still has millions of other subscribers, just not this one.

    You can enjoy your game, with an attitude as elitist you want...
    but fact of the matter is that once enough people quit it's always the hardcore content being cut 1st.
    My point being: Yes, you are carrying people, but you carry them to finance your content.

  19. #239
    Its all perspective and mentality. No way is right or wrong as long as you do it in corporation with your teammates. If your guild is about as fast as possible progression within its means than you are right. If you just raid log and don't do the little things you are expecting to be carried by your guildmates that are doing these things. If your guild is just about logging in and killing some bosses in whatever fashion then it really doesn't matter if you are doing it or not. The problem usually arises when people are like.. well.. I want to kill all the bosses as fast as possible so I get the loots but... well.. you know.. don't really want to put more effort into it. The opposite is true as well of course. Sometimes people find themselves in a more casual environment and then want to drill sargent people into playing harder while guilt tripping them with being carried talk.

    Moral of the story is.. find a guild that fits your mentality. Even if it means your loot chances are a hair lower for a few weeks because you don't progress as fast.. and don't try to push people that have no desire to be pushed. Find a fit. You will be happier. The people around you will be.. well.. more like you are. Things will be better in the long run. Absolutely nothing wrong with finding your lane and cruising in it. Far far to often people want to jump into the fast lane with a minivan and are pissed people are tailgating them or get pissed off driving in the slow lane with a million dollar sports car when.. you know.. the lane they should be in is just a blinker away. Flip the blinker. Get in your lane. Life is better!

  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by Zmagoslav View Post
    I used to be one of the players you describe in the OP.
    Then i gave in and started doing my weekly M+.

    I lasted about 2 months, then decided WoW just isn't my game anymore.
    Now i have more time than I ever did, and Blizzard still has millions of other subscribers, just not this one.

    You can enjoy your game, with an attitude as elitist you want...
    but fact of the matter is that once enough people quit it's always the hardcore content being cut 1st.
    My point being: Yes, you are carrying people, but you carry them to finance your content.
    So what you're telling me... Is that you quit after having to do 8 dungeons over 8 weeks?
    I'm suspecting m+ had nothing to with it and you were just burned out in general.

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