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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmatrix View Post
    That one more step is a massive step, I say that as someone who has played several pay to win games.
    Buying a carry with the gold you legally bought is easier to do than buying the actual gold. Trade chat is completely infested with boosting advertisement spam to the point that on my server it's about 15-1 in terms of advertisement spam v. actual trade chat posts. Groups running constantly, 24/7, 365.

  2. #402
    Quote Originally Posted by threadz View Post
    it's called go back to banning gold sellers and buyers like they used to. boosting will be a lot less rampant when people are afraid their account will get banned or their credit card stolen.
    They still ban gold sellers and buyers of illicit gold as well as RMT boosters/buyers when they can be found out.

    And no, boosting will not be a lot less rampant, it'll go up when the one allowed source for directly buying in-game currency goes away. That means more returning to RMT for their boosts and 3rd party goldsellers rejoicing as they have the market control back.

    Think, prohibition.

    One part of your "solution" is already in place, the other is just completely ignoring history of the boosting economy.

    The good that the Token's existence brings for those of us using it for legitimate reasons by far outweighs the outrage crowd's reasons for removing it, especially when half of the reasons are just plain dumb and the others already taken care of...
    Last edited by Queen of Hamsters; 2021-09-07 at 09:58 PM.

  3. #403
    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    I tend to be a quite literal individual and I can't honestly say Blizzard sells power.
    The moment they put a fucking green with +1 stam on the shop though I'll be right there with you saying they sell power. Doesn't matter if its less power, doesn't matter if it's for low levels, none of that will matter because at that point Blizz will be selling power. But right now they aren't.
    I can't defend Blizzard and say that they're 100% clean on the pay-2-win scale. You can buy character boosts that come with a nice set of blues and the way players can buy gold and use it to pay other players to run them through high-end raids is a bit icky. The only defence for this is it only replicates things players could do anyway, back in Vanilla you could go on EBay and buy a raid-geared character which was just as much p2w as what's going on now. The fact it was against ToS didn't stop it being widespread.

  4. #404
    Quote Originally Posted by SensationalBanana View Post
    They still ban gold sellers and buyers of illicit gold as well as RMT boosters/buyers when they can be found out.

    And no, boosting will not be a lot less rampant, it'll go up when the one allowed source for directly buying in-game currency goes away. That means more returning to RMT for their boosts and 3rd party goldsellers rejoicing as they have the market control back.

    Think, prohibition.

    One part of your "solution" is already in place, the other is just completely ignoring history of the boosting economy.

    The good that the Token's existence brings for those of us using it for legitimate reasons by far outweighs the outrage crowd's reasons for removing it, especially when half of the reasons are just plain dumb and the others already taken care of...
    nah ur wrong. boosting was never this big and there's a pretty obvious reason but i doubt anyone will change ur mind.

  5. #405
    Quote Originally Posted by threadz View Post
    nah ur wrong. boosting was never this big and there's a pretty obvious reason but i doubt anyone will change ur mind.
    It's not that its big..it's open

    Y'all only care because it's out in the open instead of in the dark corners and only said in whispers

  6. #406
    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    I'll take a hit of my Copium and say that it doesn't matter how good of your gear is, if you don't know your class you're going to be outdamaged by the tank. And nobody likes that. When your hunter with a Jesus level Mythic+ Score and absolutely crazy Ilvl comes in and gets outdamaged by the Healer... you know you got a carry.
    I would hope so since that is what they are buying with the gold.

  7. #407
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    “It was never part of the game,” then lists how it was part of the game.
    Also, comparatively, prices were much higher back then. Getting your first mount and flying mount in Vanilla and BC would be the equivalent of approximately 800k-1 million gold now.

    Yeah, you right, Blizzard cares nothing about bots. They never do ban/suspension waves after investigating claims. Let me guess, you get upset that when you report a bot they aren’t banned immediately.

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    This might come as a surprise, but some people like spending time in game doing things like m+ and raid sales. Hanging out with friends, telling jokes, passing time doing things they have fun doing. When they do this, those hours aren’t tedium and copium (as you kids like to say these days), but are actually a fun pastime while enjoying a hobby.
    Also, while they do this thing called having fun, they are effectively earning in game currency which they can transfer into bnet balance and play the game for free. While also buying things in game for free. That’s not copium, that’s having fun while not spending money to do so.

    This whole copium thing is just a new buzz word that applies to a very minor amount of players that are actually addicted, but people want to use for everyone who seems to enjoy something that others hate.
    So, let me get this straight.
    You like it cause you can get gold off the whales and then buy shop items with it? Congratulations, your gold making scheme that sell win is exactly why the token is ruining the game.

    Are you saying boost buyers are "having fun". Wow... the depths to which we came.

    And this is all good for you huh? Well... with that atitude, there won't be many left to buy your boost service huh? Hope it's worth it.
    I prefer my games with less P2W, not more though. But, you do you. It's working spectacularly.
    Last edited by Swnem; 2021-09-07 at 11:33 PM.

  8. #408
    Cant say I care anymore. The game already sold its soul so if it decides to make a nickel here or there on other parts who cares at this point.

  9. #409
    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    Datamined Store Banner showing a new Tmog set coming "Soon"

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    The one with Sparkle Pony
    Ah, datamining. I'm not gonna lie I wanted the answer to be "No, people are screaming about the helmets/idiot NF mog"
    Taking into account recent events I can see more clearly how people might take issue with this. The last thing you wanna see is blizzard pumping out whale bait
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  10. #410
    Can't we just bully people who buy it? Kick them from groups drive them out of lfg that kinda thing?

    Send a message?

  11. #411
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    Quote Originally Posted by SensationalBanana View Post
    Haha!

    Same as with the people going "Screw Activision Blizzard's treatment of employees, I'm going to New World, made by AMAZON!"...
    I have already seen some of those and it makes me cringe. "I am not going to support a company that abuses their workers, fuck wow I'm gunna go play a good mood new world!"

  12. #412
    Quote Originally Posted by Empower View Post
    They sell gold... I can tell something that is one removed is really selling it...
    ... ok?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    You literally just described why the game has become P2W and how they sell power. Thank you for the succinct explanation.
    Wow is p2w if you want to believe it is since there's no definition of what p2w means and people just say whatever they feel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    I can't defend Blizzard and say that they're 100% clean on the pay-2-win scale. You can buy character boosts that come with a nice set of blues and the way players can buy gold and use it to pay other players to run them through high-end raids is a bit icky. The only defence for this is it only replicates things players could do anyway, back in Vanilla you could go on EBay and buy a raid-geared character which was just as much p2w as what's going on now. The fact it was against ToS didn't stop it being widespread.
    Since some people say buying cosmetics is p2w I don't even concern myself with the p2w argument lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empower View Post
    Can't we just bully people who buy it? Kick them from groups drive them out of lfg that kinda thing?

    Send a message?
    Why not /spit on them?

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  13. #413
    Quote Originally Posted by Empower View Post
    Can't we just bully people who buy it? Kick them from groups drive them out of lfg that kinda thing?

    Send a message?
    Wow players: Fuck these new and or bad players buying things and trying to get in MY GROUP the nerve of these n00blets trying to play this game I'm going to harass them call them names and chase them out for having the AUDACITY to be in the same virtual space as me!

    Also wow players: Why is the world so dead must be Blizzards fault

  14. #414
    Quote Originally Posted by WowIsDead64 View Post
    Yeah, we had P2W shop mounts for mount collectors, P2W pets for pet collectors, then we had P2W tokens for buying boosts and now last thing - P2W transmogs for transmog collectors. Why should we even play this game, if every valuable reward can be bought for $$$? Some guys would say, that $$$ rewards won't give you "prestige and respect", but who cares about virtual e-peen "prestige"?
    How are any of those Pay 2 win? What are you winning?

  15. #415
    Quote Originally Posted by threadz View Post
    nah ur wrong. boosting was never this big and there's a pretty obvious reason but i doubt anyone will change ur mind.
    People are definitely buying 25 million gold in WoW tokens for their Mythic Sylvanas carries. Yep. This is a totally plausible thing that definitely happens. They definitely aren't going to the same website that organizes the boost and finding out that for less money they can buy the same thing and have the boosting community automatically convert their RMT into gold in 1/25th the time and at a discount to boot. They aren't doing that! Who would do such a thing? Capitalism is bad, after all, the WoW token is bad, and there is no reason for Blizzard not to remove the token immediately because by doing so they will have effectively cured the free market once and for all. That's because we know that WoW players play by the rules and if Blizzard puts a sign up that says "do not buy gold with RMT...or else!" 100% of its players will abide by it. It's so easy, the only reason Blizzard doesn't do it is something something Bobby Kotick's yacht.
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  16. #416
    Am I out of the loop? What cash shop transmogs are there other than the three helmets from years ago?

  17. #417
    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    You literally just described why the game has become P2W and how they sell power. Thank you for the succinct explanation.
    Only applies if they sell buffs/gear directly not if you have to use a middle man to get it

  18. #418
    Quote Originally Posted by ManOluck View Post
    Honestly who wants this?


    These transmogs are way more visually striking and most likely will offer more particle effects and other enhancements than in game items. Honestly everyone needs to protest this crap before it gets out of control. These are new appearences that can be used for unique events like Mage Tower 2.0 or other game feats of strength.....


    How are people ok with this?


    I feel like you don't understand how the world works.

    Who gives a shit if they have a cash shop. It doesn't affect you, it doesn't take away from the main game as far as design or balance.

    How is it making your life worse? How is it making your wow playtime worse? Because I bet it isn't, at all.

    Someone buying a cash shop item gives them more money, to do more things for the game. $15 a month is not a lot of money and in reality, they should charge more per month, IMO.

    Server hardware, networking hardware, a cleanroom server facility for all of those things (monthly lease fees), a team to run the game currently as well as design/build new things. It is an enormous task, and not cheap, at all. It's lik

    All you folks think about what you get out of it, which is a very selfish mindset. But typical of the younger generation who seems to have a growing sense of entitlement.

  19. #419
    Quote Originally Posted by Vampyrr View Post
    How are any of those Pay 2 win? What are you winning?
    Winning: having something that others don't have.

  20. #420
    Quote Originally Posted by Empower View Post
    Can't we just bully people who buy it? Kick them from groups drive them out of lfg that kinda thing?

    Send a message?
    Because that sort of genius-level "message" worked so well with the sparklepony and the TBC deluxe mount.
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