Blizzard needs to F**K right off with Cashshop Transmogs

[Relapses]

I think that incentivizing the purchase of WoW tokens is also one of the reasons the last two expansions had no way for players to easily acquire gold through mission tables as they did in WoD and Legion; it ran contrary to their business. Many players still bought lots of them, there's no doubt about it, but I would imagine that many also skipped doing so thanks to the mission tables.

Yeah dude, you can see the strings that control the universe. Blizzard isn't offsetting inflation...they're trying to sell WoW tokens. That's why they added the Brutosaur! Duh. WoW tokens. Why think critically when you can just blame everything on the WoW token? Grrrrr... capitalism is so bad! Blizzard should give everybody a free Mythic Sylvanas carry, that's the only way they can prove to me they care about this community!

[Darth Vowrawn]

Yeah, tokens are very tricky thing. They are so perfect idea, that players just can't do anything about them. They're essentially P2W, because you can buy things for real $$$, but devs justify them via "You don't buy gold from us - you buy it from other players, so it's essentially just trading with other players, while we provide secure platform for it and get our fee - RMT would happen anyway, so we just make it official".

That's not what "P2W" is. Pay to win is when you can buy a full set of Sylvanas Mythic-level gear from the in-game shop for a special reduced price, or an Infinity+1 sword that can instantly kill opposing players/monsters with ease.

[Magnagarde]

Yeah dude, you can see the strings that control the universe. Blizzard isn't offsetting inflation...they're trying to sell WoW tokens. That's why they added the Brutosaur! Duh. WoW tokens. Why think critically when you can just blame everything on the WoW token? Grrrrr... capitalism is so bad! Blizzard should give everybody a free Mythic Sylvanas carry, that's the only way they can prove to me they care about this community!

Okay, I guess?

[Relapses]

Okay, I guess?

Sorry, was my glowing review of your conspiracy theory a bit too glossy for your taste?

[Magnagarde]

Sorry, was my glowing review of your conspiracy theory a bit too glossy for your taste?

You're giving yourself more credit than you deserve.

If WoW's virtual inflation was the reason why Blizzard bothered with making these changes, they wouldn't have raised the gold acquired through tokens fivefold since the end of WoD, but that somehow eluded your majestic perception.

[Mysterymask]

Winning: having something that others don't have.

Oh boy so if I have a hemmroid but no one else in my office does I win

[arkanon]

How are any of those Pay 2 win? What are you winning?

The term pay to win indicates someone gaining an ADVANTAGE, not "winning". People failing to understand this drive me up the wall, which is wierd, because I'm not in a vehicle, and not going up a wall at all.

[Drusin]

The term pay to win indicates someone gaining an ADVANTAGE, not "winning". People failing to understand this drive me up the wall, which is wierd, because I'm not in a vehicle, and not going up a wall at all.

Then they should say Pay 2 Advantage

[TheWorkingTitle]

Only applies if they sell buffs/gear directly not if you have to use a middle man to get it

Middle man or not, the result is the same. All officially sanctioned.

[Darkeon]

Then they should say Pay 2 Advantage

You can call it whatever you want. The term has evolved quite a lot since it got popularized. At this point it's arguing semantics and that's a sign one is out of arguments.

[arkanon]

Then they should say Pay 2 Advantage

You seem confused - they are not usingthe incorrect term, the are using the right term, and using it correctly. Its just that some people are so desperate to claim no game they love could possibly be P2W that they hide behind the term "winning". Language, esspecially colloquial usage, is always evolving. Additionally, phrases and colloquial terms should not be broken down into literal definitions of each word, as that rarely refelcts the intended definition.

[Drusin]

You seem confused - they are not usingthe incorrect term, the are using the right term, and using it correctly. Its just that some people are so desperate to claim no game they love could possibly be P2W that they hide behind the term "winning". Language, esspecially colloquial usage, is always evolving. Additionally, phrases and colloquial terms should not be broken down into literal definitions of each word, as that rarely refelcts the intended definition.

The "always evolving" part of it is what makes the term useless since everyone uses it differently

You can call it whatever you want. The term has evolved quite a lot since it got popularized. At this point it's arguing semantics and that's a sign one is out of arguments.

I don't call it anything, the term has no meaning since everyone says it means something different.

Just like "toxic" has no meaning
Just like "casual" has no meaning

[roahn the warlock]

Pretty sure this will be another one of those "Sub for 6 months and get this thing" which they do now more than cash-shop mounts.

[Mysterymask]

The "always evolving" part of it is what makes the term useless since everyone uses it differently



I don't call it anything, the term has no meaning since everyone says it means something different.

Just like "toxic" has no meaning
Just like "casual" has no meaning

They have meaning...

Toxic means they were mean to me
Casual means they care or I care less about the game

So because of this everyone will always have a different meaning or level to the word so MMO Champion will be in a constant state of argumemt on what these and other words mean and why they are wrong

Shit we could consolidate the wow gen forum to 3 threads

What is casual/hardcore
What is Toxic
What is Pay to Win

[Elbob]

The term pay to win indicates someone gaining an ADVANTAGE, not "winning". People failing to understand this drive me up the wall, which is wierd, because I'm not in a vehicle, and not going up a wall at all.

The problem is the word advantage, it doesn't matter how much money I threw at wow atm. My main could not gain an advantage with that money. There isn't power it could buy. So is the game only P2W for some people? Id argue 'advantage' in the P2W definition refers to power that players would not otherwise be able to obtain unless they pay for it whether it be strict power or acquisition rates of something that directly relate to power IE monster summoning scrolls in gacha games.

[Drusin]

They have meaning...

Toxic means they were mean to me
Casual means they care or I care less about the game

So because of this everyone will always have a different meaning or level to the word so MMO Champion will be in a constant state of argumemt on what these and other words mean and why they are wrong

Shit we could consolidate the wow gen forum to 3 threads

What is casual/hardcore
What is Toxic
What is Pay to Win

lol and if the forums were consolidated into those three topics they would never end as people went back and forth on whose meaning is right.
The "what's casual" camp seems to be just two sides: Time vs Content difficulty. Am I a casual if I play wow 15 hours a day every day but only pet battle? What if I only play 6 hours a week but I get CE every tier?

[Advent]

Whether it`s FFXIV or WoW, having a sub based game and an in game shop to sell cosmetics for real money is awful.
The shop was quite handy for using services like faction change, gender change, server migration and so on.

So... it's all right if the games sell things that can potentially alter your gameplay experience (Server/Faction change), but not okay when those sub-based games have a shop that sells things that often don't?

[SinR]

Can't we just bully people who buy it? Kick them from groups drive them out of lfg that kinda thing?

Send a message?

You see how well that ended with the Warpstalker mount in TBC:C?

Makes me wanna use it just to piss off people like you. Come zooming into the zone in with the Fae Dragon TMog and the Sparkle Pony like "Sup? Problem?? Have fun waiting for another tank."

[Drigs]

who cares? It keeps the sub prices down and lets the whales subsidize play for the rest of the population

[Mysterymask]

lol and if the forums were consolidated into those three topics they would never end as people went back and forth on whose meaning is right.
The "what's casual" camp seems to be just two sides: Time vs Content difficulty. Am I a casual if I play wow 15 hours a day every day but only pet battle? What if I only play 6 hours a week but I get CE every tier?

They all have different meanings for different people and that's why things like "Blizzard needs to stop catering to the casuals" or "Blizzard needs to cut down on Toxicity" isn't such a cut and dry issue.

Hell to answer the hardcore vs casual it's either a complimentary or insulting term to say either they care more about the game than me or they care less about the game than me with context filling in the blanks