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    Is the CA Recall the Trolley Problem for the PodCaster set?



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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    This is actually incorrect, which is WHY people are freaking the fuck out. The recall is a one-step process with two questions:
    1) Should Newsom be recalled?
    2) If he is, who replaces him?

    The first requires a simple majority. But if 50.1% of the votes are Yes, then the second only requires a plurality (and Newsom himself is ineligible, having just been recalled). With Larry Elder being the apparent GOP favorite, he could very easily win with as little as 16% of the vote so long as the other 84% is split between the other forty-five candidates.
    Ah my mistake, shoulda googled rather than going off memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    Ah my mistake, shoulda googled rather than going off memory.
    It happens. You might also have been thinking of the regular election taking place next year, in which whoever wins the recall would still have to run again and someone like Larry Elder would easily lose (possibly to Gavin Newsom, who could still run to get his old job back) and get kicked to the curb. The problem is that even with a Democratic super majority in the state legislature, there's a lot of damage that could still be done with a year and change in office. Damage like removing all of our Covid mitigations. Or replacing Senator Diane Feinstein if she dies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Honestly, I find it very difficult to agree here. The media was largely ignoring him until very recently, when polling showed a very real chance that the recall would succeed and he would win. After focusing on how horrible his policies are and how likely it is that he would win due to voter apathy (as recalls historically have very low turn-out, especially from the governor's own party), polling has swung wildly in the other direction to the point that even Vegas betting odds are solidly against a successful recall.

    The ratio of "the media reports Larry Elder verbatim" to "commentary on how completely batshit insane he is and how much we need to not risk that shit" has been pretty good here.
    I put very little stock in polling data that doesn't come from Pew, but I hope you're right.
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    Here is another reason to not support Elder, besides his fucking dumbass racism. He wants to replace Diane Feinstein with Stephen Miller if she dies.

    https://www.wonkette.com/next-possib...stephen-miller

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    I do think Elder is good for Newsom. It gives him somebody to run against.

    According to the latest count, 25% of eligible voters had already mailed their votes in. That is not good news for the GOP.

    Newsom may be a smarmy kind of guy, but ultimately, with the exception of the French Laundry thing, he has done okay.

    Unlike during Gray Davis' governorship, the state does not have a budget crisis. In fact it has a budget surplus and ever increasing revenue.

    No energy crisis either. No rolling blackouts for at least 2 decades. No, 2020 does not count as rolling blackout. It was limited to 2 million customers in Northern California, and lasted only one hour on Friday and minutes on Saturday.

    As for Covid, by any metrics (case number, hospitalization, death and economy) California is doing a lot better than the other 3 large states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I do think Elder is good for Newsom. It gives him somebody to run against.

    According to the latest count, 25% of eligible voters had already mailed their votes in. That is not good news for the GOP.

    Newsom may be a smarmy kind of guy, but ultimately, with the exception of the French Laundry thing, he has done okay.

    Unlike during Gray Davis' governorship, the state does not have a budget crisis. In fact it has a budget surplus and ever increasing revenue.

    No energy crisis either. No rolling blackouts for at least 2 decades. No, 2020 does not count as rolling blackout. It was limited to 2 million customers in Northern California, and lasted only one hour on Friday and minutes on Saturday.

    As for Covid, by any metrics (case number, hospitalization, death and economy) California is doing a lot better than the other 3 large states.
    I think the GOP is relying on democratic voter apathy to hand them an undeserved victory, rather than any overarching grievance Californians at large have with newsom.

    Here’s hoping they’re wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    then maybe, just maybe you should do some research before sharing your opinion with the class?
    but then he can't feign ignorance later on when shown how stupid his choice is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    In California we often get badass conservative governors. Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and maybe Larry Elder is next. I just looked at his policy positions, he wants to lower taxes and shrink government. I'm not very familiar with him but it seems he would make an excellent political leader as long as he's not a super religious person, imo.
    often would be more than 2 over 40 years

    and Arnold is persona non grata among the GOP now
    and Reagan, well his legend is beloved in the GOP, reality would have been hunted like Pence on the 6th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I do think Elder is good for Newsom. It gives him somebody to run against.

    According to the latest count, 25% of eligible voters had already mailed their votes in. That is not good news for the GOP.

    Newsom may be a smarmy kind of guy, but ultimately, with the exception of the French Laundry thing, he has done okay.

    Unlike during Gray Davis' governorship, the state does not have a budget crisis. In fact it has a budget surplus and ever increasing revenue.

    No energy crisis either. No rolling blackouts for at least 2 decades. No, 2020 does not count as rolling blackout. It was limited to 2 million customers in Northern California, and lasted only one hour on Friday and minutes on Saturday.

    As for Covid, by any metrics (case number, hospitalization, death and economy) California is doing a lot better than the other 3 large states.
    He is lucky there really aren't any better candidates cause the dude has no fucking integrity at all. As someone whos family lost multiple properties in the Paradise fire fuck this dude. https://www.axios.com/gavin-newsom-w...ed84f58bb.html

    California Gov. Newsom (D) misled the public about the progress his office had made in shoring up wildfire prevention according to an investigative report by CapRadio and NPR’s California Newsroom.

    Why it matters: The revelations come just as drought-stricken California gears up for a devastating fire season that could prove to be the worst on record.

    The state of play: Newsom has underscored the importance of wildfire prevention since his first day in office in 2019, when he signed an executive order overhauling the state's fire prevention efforts.

    Shortly thereafter, Cal Fire launched 35 "priority projects" to protect 200 communities especially vulnerable to wildfires.
    In January 2020 Newsom announced that the 35 priority projects had successfully targeted 90,000 acres of land with fire prevention efforts, such as fuel breaks.
    The big picture: The report states that there is "little evidence" that Newsom had accomplished these goals and had, in fact, reduced funding for wildfire prevention programs.

    The investigation found that while Newsom claimed the priority projects successfully treated 90,000 acres, state records show the number to be 11,399—an exaggeration of 690%.
    "But the data analyzed by CapRadio and NPR’s California Newsroom show that Cal Fire treated a small fraction of that amount, 11,399 acres, or about 13% of the amount cited by Newsom," it noted.
    In 2020, Newsom cut about $150 million from Cal Fire’s wildfire prevention budget, slashing it from $355 million to $203 million.

    California's fuel reduction output also dropped by half in 2020, the report added.
    In 2019, the "overall amount of wildfire mitigation work carried out by Cal Fire" totalled 64,000 acres but in 2020 that figure had plunged to less than 32,000 acres.
    The report notes that Newsom's office did not respond to a request for comment.
    What's more: The head of Cal Fire, Chief Thom Porter, admitted in the report that Newsom had misrepresented his accomplishments.

    In fact, according to Porter, California was never in the position to treat 90,000 acres in 2019.
    “We didn't have all of the environmental clearance that we were going to need to do all of that work,” Porter said. “Nor did we have all of the agreements with landowners completely in place.”
    He should lose his job for this ^, the only thing that may save the shithead is that the other options will only lead to more death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    He is lucky there really aren't any better candidates cause the dude has no fucking integrity at all. As someone whos family lost multiple properties in the Paradise fire fuck this dude. https://www.axios.com/gavin-newsom-w...ed84f58bb.html

    He should lose his job for this ^, the only thing that may save the shithead is that the other options will only lead to more death.
    Oh, by all means, vote him out next year. He wasn't my first choice when he ran, and I'm not super thrilled with the job he's done since. But at least then we won't end up with a MAGA cultist in charge for a year.

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    The fact that he blames Newsome for the hostility he faced is kinda special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The fact that he blames Newsome for the hostility he faced is kinda special.
    The Washington Times ran the headline today, "Recanting nothing, Larry Elder becomes the likeliest candidate to replace Gavin Newsom--and the likeliest to let him hold onto his job."

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    In the tradition of of Donald Trump and Nina Turner; Elder is trying to discredit the very election he's might lose.

    Larry Elder baselessly raises possibility of election 'shenanigans' in California recall.

    Tell me about Dumdum Populism, without telling me it's Dumdum Populism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    In the tradition of of Donald Trump and Nina Turner; Elder is trying to discredit the very election he's might lose.

    Larry Elder baselessly raises possibility of election 'shenanigans' in California recall.

    Tell me about Dumdum Populism, without telling me it's Dumdum Populism.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...edented-crisis

    Bitching and moaning about "election fraud" has become the global standard excuse for Fascists when they slip in the polls.

    "Even tho I was/am the ruling head of state and control the entire state security apparatus, the elections are rigged if I lose".

    I mean in the case of Larry Elder, what sane minded Californian would want to vote for anyone else? Why wouldn't you want to pay reparations to slave owners, abolish sex ed, eliminate the government, bankrupt the state and turn California into a corporate ruled state where half the state is on fire 6 months a year with rampant water shortages and legions of unpaid convicts used as firefighters to shift through the remnants of burned down communities?

    But hey....if you're a millionaire, you've got a guaranteed tax cut coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...edented-crisis

    Bitching and moaning about "election fraud" has become the global standard excuse for Fascists when they slip in the polls.

    "Even tho I was/am the ruling head of state and control the entire state security apparatus, the elections are rigged if I lose".

    I mean in the case of Larry Elder, what sane minded Californian would want to vote for anyone else? Why wouldn't you want to pay reparations to slave owners, abolish sex ed, eliminate the government, bankrupt the state and turn California into a corporate ruled state where half the state is on fire 6 months a year with rampant water shortages and legions of unpaid convicts used as firefighters to shift through the remnants of burned down communities?

    But hey....if you're a millionaire, you've got a guaranteed tax cut coming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    In the tradition of of Donald Trump and Nina Turner; Elder is trying to discredit the very election he's might lose.

    Larry Elder baselessly raises possibility of election 'shenanigans' in California recall.

    Tell me about Dumdum Populism, without telling me it's Dumdum Populism.
    That move will probably be more detrimental to him than Newsom.

    Newsom power base is the Bay Area which historically has the highest voters turnout in the state. That's why both CA Senators and pretty much all the state wide officials are from the Bay Area.

    Elder power base is Northern and Central California counties, with some in in the inland areas of Southern California. Which historically have low voters turnout. Especially on non-election years. The idea that the election may be rigged against them will depress turnout even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    In the tradition of of Donald Trump and Nina Turner; Elder is trying to discredit the very election he's might lose.

    Larry Elder baselessly raises possibility of election 'shenanigans' in California recall.

    Tell me about Dumdum Populism, without telling me it's Dumdum Populism.
    I don’t recall Nina Turner saying anything like that… lies are fun aren’t they.
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    From a certain point of view. He does have a point.

    Granted he's wrong. But at the time, they were property and a person built his livelihood around it. That an entire families economy was ripped out from under him isn't his fault per se.

    It's an interesting argument, morality aside.

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