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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Higher turnout is gonna be a boon for Newsom and a thorn in the side of Elder. Not that he'll care, he's gonna contest any results that don't successfully recall Newsom and elect him.
    Elder is already conceding defeat and declaring that Newsom won the recall by committing fraud via a website his campaign paid for.

    The problem, of course, is that the election hasn't happened yet.

    This is going to be the GQP playbook from now on, folks: If they lose an election, they didn't lose fair and square, they lost because Dems cheated. That's the GQPs new strategy.

    That's how evil they are. They would rather burn our system of government to the ground than admit they can lose elections legitimately.

    Someone should really ask Trump supporters if they know what Occam's Razor is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Elder is already conceding defeat and declaring that Newsom won the recall by committing fraud via a website his campaign paid for.

    The problem, of course, is that the election hasn't happened yet.

    This is going to be the GQP playbook from now on, folks: If they lose an election, they didn't lose fair and square, they lost because Dems cheated. That's the GQPs new strategy.

    That's how evil they are. They would rather burn our system of government to the ground than admit they can lose elections legitimately.

    Someone should really ask Trump supporters if they know what Occam's Razor is.
    Hey, as long as they keep losing, I don't really care how they try and justify it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Hey, as long as they keep losing, I don't really care how they try and justify it.
    You should, considering the lasting damage it's going to do to our system of government.
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    Yeah the plan isn't so much to stomp their feet and cry like children in hopes that the metaphorical mommy in this situation will just give them what they want, it's about throwing doubt onto the election process to both rile up their base and scare the fence sitters who don't keep up with politics outside of snappy headlines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    You should, considering the lasting damage it's going to do to our system of government.
    I mean, the only thing that can change the GOP's behavior is them, and they're committed to not doing so. There's no "moral shame" that can be cast on them that they care about. Only actions that strip them of their power or land them in jail will have any lasting effect on them. Whether that makes them collectively have a "come to Jesus" moment and stop being feckless goons or simply results in them becoming politically irrelevant is largely immaterial to me. And stripping them of their power is the first step in seeing any real justice done for their political malfeasance.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Hey, as long as they keep losing, I don't really care how they try and justify it.
    Them constantly calling all elections they lose rigged is what they use as flimsy justification for their voter suppression bills, so in that regard I think you should care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I mean, the only thing that can change the GOP's behavior is them, and they're committed to not doing so. There's no "moral shame" that can be cast on them that they care about. Only actions that strip them of their power or land them in jail will have any lasting effect on them. Whether that makes them collectively have a "come to Jesus" moment and stop being feckless goons or simply results in them becoming politically irrelevant is largely immaterial to me. And stripping them of their power is the first step in seeing any real justice done for their political malfeasance.
    Except you are completely ignoring the make up of the American electorate and how it's rigged in their favor. I mean yearly 60%+ of the votes cast in MI for HoR were Dem yet the The state hasn't had a majority Dem HoR make up in a long time.

    So it doesn't really matter if a GOP candidate loses in CA a Blue stronghold, when red states and mixed states constantly have GOP majorities.

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    At the core these types of people and comments like Larry Elder made are the result of what happens when a person puts the selfish greed for money over all ethics/morals/values or consideration for other people.

    We got here starting in the 1980's with Reagan and 'trickle-down economics', where excuses were made for wealthy and corporate tax breaks. That lead to the financial excesses of the 90's, Nasdaq becoming massively overvalued, and the stock crash of 2001. Over time the greed grew, radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh poured gas on the fire, FOX 'news' grew and became an alt-right propaganda outlet for ratings. Real news outlets became less popular than political news sensationalists, playing on nationalism. The real estate bubble bursting in the 2000's due to shady bank loan practices was the next peak of greed and nearly crashed the economy, and even it turned out to not be the top. Trumpism in 2016 to today has taken it to a whole other level. Wealthy and corporations making billions without paying anything in taxes.. Where 1/3 of the population does not want to count other people's votes, that think if they lose an election it can only be due to fraud, that it's ok to lock children in cages, a complete lack of empathy for the poor and homeless, and most egregiously the selfish stance of anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers that it's ok to infect and potentially kill other people.

    Ironically this same 1/3 of the population also tells themselves they are the most faithful to their religion, even though all of these actions are in complete contradiction to it's most fundamental teachings. Just like Al-Qaeda did with Islam, religion can be hijacked for other agendas by cherry-picking lines or interpreting lines to fit an agenda. That's how you get wealthy corporate church pastors that live extravagant lifestyles contrary to their religion but justify it as 'god wanting them to live their best lives'. Joel Osteen is at the extreme, but there are literally thousands of large corporate churches in the US with similar pastors living in $500k+ homes. That is how you get people like Larry Elder making comments like this. If morals, ethics, values, standards, all come far below money in priorities, that's the result. It's become like real-life Saint's Row 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biglog View Post
    At the core these types of people and comments like Larry Elder made are the result of what happens when a person puts the selfish greed for money over all ethics/morals/values or consideration for other people.

    We got here starting in the 1980's with Reagan and 'trickle-down economics', where excuses were made for wealthy and corporate tax breaks. That lead to the financial excesses of the 90's, Nasdaq becoming massively overvalued, and the stock crash of 2001. Over time the greed grew, radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh poured gas on the fire, FOX 'news' grew and became an alt-right propaganda outlet for ratings. Real news outlets became less popular than political news sensationalists, playing on nationalism. The real estate bubble bursting in the 2000's due to shady bank loan practices was the next peak of greed and nearly crashed the economy, and even it turned out to not be the top. Trumpism in 2016 to today has taken it to a whole other level. Wealthy and corporations making billions without paying anything in taxes.. Where 1/3 of the population does not want to count other people's votes, that think if they lose an election it can only be due to fraud, that it's ok to lock children in cages, a complete lack of empathy for the poor and homeless, and most egregiously the selfish stance of anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers that it's ok to infect and potentially kill other people.

    Ironically this same 1/3 of the population also tells themselves they are the most faithful to their religion, even though all of these actions are in complete contradiction to it's most fundamental teachings. Just like Al-Qaeda did with Islam, religion can be hijacked for other agendas by cherry-picking lines or interpreting lines to fit an agenda. That's how you get wealthy corporate church pastors that live extravagant lifestyles contrary to their religion but justify it as 'god wanting them to live their best lives'. Joel Osteen is at the extreme, but there are literally thousands of large corporate churches in the US with similar pastors living in $500k+ homes. That is how you get people like Larry Elder making comments like this. If morals, ethics, values, standards, all come far below money in priorities, that's the result. It's become like real-life Saint's Row 4.
    Shit started before even that. I mean the 1920s were ripe with corporate greedy, self interest conservatives. Post WW2 we saw plenty more. Reagan was a POS when he was governor of California in the 60s and 70s. This is nothing new. This has been the GOP standard for nearly 100 years now.

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    Larry Elder is a fucking creep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    Except you are completely ignoring the make up of the American electorate and how it's rigged in their favor. I mean yearly 60%+ of the votes cast in MI for HoR were Dem yet the The state hasn't had a majority Dem HoR make up in a long time.

    So it doesn't really matter if a GOP candidate loses in CA a Blue stronghold, when red states and mixed states constantly have GOP majorities.
    And the reason they’re able to do that is because they can manipulate laws to do that. Because they keep winning elections.

    If they don’t win, they can’t do that.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    And the reason they’re able to do that is because they can manipulate laws to do that. Because they keep winning elections.

    If they don’t win, they can’t do that.
    A GOP governor with a Dem legislature ain't doing shit. Which makes your whole comment rather moot for the context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    A GOP governor with a Dem legislature ain't doing shit. Which makes your whole comment rather moot for the context.
    There is an unpleasant amount that a GOP governor could still do even with a Dem super-majority in the legislature.

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    At this point as long as someone who is jewish says the Holocaust was alright it wasn't so bad, "these Alt-Right idiots would be like see, see it wasn't soo bad!"

    Already have Candace Owens saying "Hitler did nothing wrong"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    At this point as long as someone who is jewish says the Holocaust was alright it wasn't so bad, "these Alt-Right idiots would be like see, see it wasn't soo bad!"

    Already have Candace Owens saying "Hitler did nothing wrong"
    Cons do love their tokenism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    There is an unpleasant amount that a GOP governor could still do even with a Dem super-majority in the legislature.
    Nothing to likes of changing voting laws that we see in all these fully red states.
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    I’m so ready to see Elder stans cry tonight…


    Depending on the number of early ballots and the amount of in-person voting on Tuesday, the math could be clear within a few hours of when the polls close at 8 p.m. Pacific time, election experts say. But if the race is tighter than expected, weeks could pass while the counting drags on.
    Vote counts are notoriously slow in California because the state is so massive. But the law for this election allows county officials to open and process early ballots as they come in, those results cannot be shared with the public until polls close.

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    So what are the chances of this guy getting elected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    I’m so ready to see Elder stans cry tonight…


    Depending on the number of early ballots and the amount of in-person voting on Tuesday, the math could be clear within a few hours of when the polls close at 8 p.m. Pacific time, election experts say. But if the race is tighter than expected, weeks could pass while the counting drags on.
    Vote counts are notoriously slow in California because the state is so massive. But the law for this election allows county officials to open and process early ballots as they come in, those results cannot be shared with the public until polls close.
    Everyone was mailed a ballot, so hopefully most of them checked no and mailed it back a while ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clone View Post
    So what are the chances of this guy getting elected?
    As of latest polling, "low", but given that there's not a ton of polling data available (compared to most races) and that gubernatorial recalls are fairly uncommon, it's hard to say anything with too much certainty.

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