Larry Elder says Slave Owners should be the ones owed reparations

[Kaleredar]

They'd fuckin better. Whole thing needs to be redone -

1.5M signatures to trigger a recall is fairly trivial, theshhold needs to be proportionally higher with the population of the state.
Needs to be a mechanism to vote for the current governor even if you vote against the recall
Regardless of the above, if a recall is successful, the only way that the governor should be replaces is if one of the recall candidates meets a minimum threshhold of votes (either a raw total, or a proportional amount compared to what the recalled governor won previously)

I don’t think they need to fuss around with it even that much.

Just make them hold an entirely new election wherein the winner has to get 51% of the popular vote. The more straightforward, equitable and democracy-based a system is, the more trouble the GOP seem to have winning in it. When technicalities and subsections start being introduced is when they start to find ways to slide in.

The CA Republican parties recall shenanigans are pointless and hugely expensive/wasteful. Which is amusing since this is a party that claims to be about fiscal conservatism as they're more than happy to blow money on longshot recall attempts to get one of their own in power for less than a year before they'll likely be replaced anyways.

Hollow power grabs are about the only thing the GOP has left these days

[Rasulis]

Coutesy of Dr. Ashish K. Jha and why we shouldn't put a DeSantis clone as California's governor.

[Omega10]

And now Newsom might have a shot for having the same task and not fucking up.

Consider our times: "not fucking up" and "not being a creep" are already serious qualifications.

It's a sad commentary that I considered his post to be a quite convincing endorsement.

[xanzul]

Yes you heard that right, Larry Elder the front runner in the California recall election(who is black by the way) says that if anyone should be owed reparations it should be slave owners and not the slaves. While appearing on Candace Owens(who is also black) radio show they talked about reparations and that because their "legal property" was taken from them that slave owners should have been paid reparations. Not the the thousands upon thousands of slaves who's forebearers were taken from their homes, packed so tightly onto ships they could barely move, sold like cattle, forcibly bred with one another to make strong babies, women and girls raped by their masters, beaten/killed if they tried to escape and finally worked until their dying breath. Ya those people don't deserve any reparations but the people who did all that to them totally deserve it.

So beyond the fact that Larry Elder is the living embodiment of Samuel L. Jackson's character Stephen from Quentin Taratino's Django Unchained there are other reasons that Larry Elder is a piece of crap. He believes that minimum wage should be gotten rid of(real surprise there with his views on slavery) and that all Covid restrictions should be removed and no one should need to get a vaccine because well over 660 thousand Americans and growing dead is not a really big deal. He probably has other beliefs and traits that make him a horrible politician but these three are enough for me to never vote for him.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/larry-eld...000601872.html

Larry Elder can fuck right off. He is a fucking disgrace. Civil rights activists like John Lewis and MLK didn't do everything they did just so ignorant fucks like this can undo all the progress that has been made. He is nothing but a GQP sock puppet.

FUCK this guy pisses me off so much.

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Slave owners did receive reparations. Slaves didn't.

Honest to god I can't believe we are even discussing this or that anyone even believes this bullshit.

[postman1782]

Larry Elder can fuck right off. He is a fucking disgrace. Civil rights activists like John Lewis and MLK didn't do everything they did just so ignorant fucks like this can undo all the progress that has been made. He is nothing but a GQP sock puppet.

FUCK this guy pisses me off so much.

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Honest to god I can't believe we are even discussing this or that anyone even believes this bullshit.

He is no different than Uncle Ruckus, Candace Owens, David A. Clarke, Ben Carson, and I know of others that are missing that don't live in reality.

[Rasulis]

On 09/08, NYT was estimating a turnout of at least 50% of CA registered voters.

As of today, it looks like the turnout may hit 70%. Not quite the 79.5% 2020 turnout. However, pretty amazing for an off the calendar election.

[DarkTZeratul]

On 09/08, NYT was estimating a turnout of at least 50% of CA registered voters.

As of today, it looks like the turnout may hit 70%. Not quite the 79.5% 2020 turnout. However, pretty amazing for an off the calendar election.

Do you have a link for those numbers? (I don't doubt them, it's just nice to be able to point to a specific source.)

[Edge-]

On 09/08, NYT was estimating a turnout of at least 50% of CA registered voters.

As of today, it looks like the turnout may hit 70%. Not quite the 79.5% 2020 turnout. However, pretty amazing for an off the calendar election.

Higher turnout is gonna be a boon for Newsom and a thorn in the side of Elder. Not that he'll care, he's gonna contest any results that don't successfully recall Newsom and elect him.

[D Luniz]

Higher turnout is gonna be a boon for Newsom and a thorn in the side of Elder. Not that he'll care, he's gonna contesting already any results that don't successfully recall Newsom and elect him.

from the "stopfraud.com" link on his campaign page

As is the case, we implore you…our fellow citizens…to join us in this fight as you are able, primarily by signing our petition demanding a special session of the California legislature to investigate and ameliorate the twisted results of this 2021 Recall Election of Governor Gavin Newsom.

feel like the only fraud, was him knowingly taking people's money if he knew he couldn't win

[Kaleredar]

Higher turnout is gonna be a boon for Newsom and a thorn in the side of Elder. Not that he'll care, he's gonna contest any results that don't successfully recall Newsom and elect him.

I'm hoping that this is the case, and that it's not a surge of GOP voters who don't usually cast a vote for governor because they know their guy could never win in an honest election.

from the "stopfraud.com" link on his campaign page



feel like the only fraud, was him knowingly taking people's money if he knew he couldn't win

The plus side here is that, unlike Trump's shaky attempts of claiming fraud in sympathetic states like Arizona and Georgia or hoping to tool out power through appointed judges, the legislative body of California will give zero fucks about Elder's claims of fraud should the recall attempt fail.

[Zaydin]

Higher turnout is gonna be a boon for Newsom and a thorn in the side of Elder. Not that he'll care, he's gonna contest any results that don't successfully recall Newsom and elect him.

Elder is already conceding defeat and declaring that Newsom won the recall by committing fraud via a website his campaign paid for.

The problem, of course, is that the election hasn't happened yet.

This is going to be the GQP playbook from now on, folks: If they lose an election, they didn't lose fair and square, they lost because Dems cheated. That's the GQPs new strategy.

That's how evil they are. They would rather burn our system of government to the ground than admit they can lose elections legitimately.

Someone should really ask Trump supporters if they know what Occam's Razor is.

[Kaleredar]

Elder is already conceding defeat and declaring that Newsom won the recall by committing fraud via a website his campaign paid for.

The problem, of course, is that the election hasn't happened yet.

This is going to be the GQP playbook from now on, folks: If they lose an election, they didn't lose fair and square, they lost because Dems cheated. That's the GQPs new strategy.

That's how evil they are. They would rather burn our system of government to the ground than admit they can lose elections legitimately.

Someone should really ask Trump supporters if they know what Occam's Razor is.

Hey, as long as they keep losing, I don't really care how they try and justify it.

[Zaydin]

Hey, as long as they keep losing, I don't really care how they try and justify it.

You should, considering the lasting damage it's going to do to our system of government.

[Xyonai]

Yeah the plan isn't so much to stomp their feet and cry like children in hopes that the metaphorical mommy in this situation will just give them what they want, it's about throwing doubt onto the election process to both rile up their base and scare the fence sitters who don't keep up with politics outside of snappy headlines.

[Kaleredar]

You should, considering the lasting damage it's going to do to our system of government.

I mean, the only thing that can change the GOP's behavior is them, and they're committed to not doing so. There's no "moral shame" that can be cast on them that they care about. Only actions that strip them of their power or land them in jail will have any lasting effect on them. Whether that makes them collectively have a "come to Jesus" moment and stop being feckless goons or simply results in them becoming politically irrelevant is largely immaterial to me. And stripping them of their power is the first step in seeing any real justice done for their political malfeasance.

[Smitzelplix]

Hey, as long as they keep losing, I don't really care how they try and justify it.

Them constantly calling all elections they lose rigged is what they use as flimsy justification for their voter suppression bills, so in that regard I think you should care.

[Beefhammer]

I mean, the only thing that can change the GOP's behavior is them, and they're committed to not doing so. There's no "moral shame" that can be cast on them that they care about. Only actions that strip them of their power or land them in jail will have any lasting effect on them. Whether that makes them collectively have a "come to Jesus" moment and stop being feckless goons or simply results in them becoming politically irrelevant is largely immaterial to me. And stripping them of their power is the first step in seeing any real justice done for their political malfeasance.

Except you are completely ignoring the make up of the American electorate and how it's rigged in their favor. I mean yearly 60%+ of the votes cast in MI for HoR were Dem yet the The state hasn't had a majority Dem HoR make up in a long time.

So it doesn't really matter if a GOP candidate loses in CA a Blue stronghold, when red states and mixed states constantly have GOP majorities.

[Biglog]

At the core these types of people and comments like Larry Elder made are the result of what happens when a person puts the selfish greed for money over all ethics/morals/values or consideration for other people.

We got here starting in the 1980's with Reagan and 'trickle-down economics', where excuses were made for wealthy and corporate tax breaks. That lead to the financial excesses of the 90's, Nasdaq becoming massively overvalued, and the stock crash of 2001. Over time the greed grew, radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh poured gas on the fire, FOX 'news' grew and became an alt-right propaganda outlet for ratings. Real news outlets became less popular than political news sensationalists, playing on nationalism. The real estate bubble bursting in the 2000's due to shady bank loan practices was the next peak of greed and nearly crashed the economy, and even it turned out to not be the top. Trumpism in 2016 to today has taken it to a whole other level. Wealthy and corporations making billions without paying anything in taxes.. Where 1/3 of the population does not want to count other people's votes, that think if they lose an election it can only be due to fraud, that it's ok to lock children in cages, a complete lack of empathy for the poor and homeless, and most egregiously the selfish stance of anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers that it's ok to infect and potentially kill other people.

Ironically this same 1/3 of the population also tells themselves they are the most faithful to their religion, even though all of these actions are in complete contradiction to it's most fundamental teachings. Just like Al-Qaeda did with Islam, religion can be hijacked for other agendas by cherry-picking lines or interpreting lines to fit an agenda. That's how you get wealthy corporate church pastors that live extravagant lifestyles contrary to their religion but justify it as 'god wanting them to live their best lives'. Joel Osteen is at the extreme, but there are literally thousands of large corporate churches in the US with similar pastors living in $500k+ homes. That is how you get people like Larry Elder making comments like this. If morals, ethics, values, standards, all come far below money in priorities, that's the result. It's become like real-life Saint's Row 4.

[Beefhammer]

At the core these types of people and comments like Larry Elder made are the result of what happens when a person puts the selfish greed for money over all ethics/morals/values or consideration for other people.

We got here starting in the 1980's with Reagan and 'trickle-down economics', where excuses were made for wealthy and corporate tax breaks. That lead to the financial excesses of the 90's, Nasdaq becoming massively overvalued, and the stock crash of 2001. Over time the greed grew, radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh poured gas on the fire, FOX 'news' grew and became an alt-right propaganda outlet for ratings. Real news outlets became less popular than political news sensationalists, playing on nationalism. The real estate bubble bursting in the 2000's due to shady bank loan practices was the next peak of greed and nearly crashed the economy, and even it turned out to not be the top. Trumpism in 2016 to today has taken it to a whole other level. Wealthy and corporations making billions without paying anything in taxes.. Where 1/3 of the population does not want to count other people's votes, that think if they lose an election it can only be due to fraud, that it's ok to lock children in cages, a complete lack of empathy for the poor and homeless, and most egregiously the selfish stance of anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers that it's ok to infect and potentially kill other people.

Ironically this same 1/3 of the population also tells themselves they are the most faithful to their religion, even though all of these actions are in complete contradiction to it's most fundamental teachings. Just like Al-Qaeda did with Islam, religion can be hijacked for other agendas by cherry-picking lines or interpreting lines to fit an agenda. That's how you get wealthy corporate church pastors that live extravagant lifestyles contrary to their religion but justify it as 'god wanting them to live their best lives'. Joel Osteen is at the extreme, but there are literally thousands of large corporate churches in the US with similar pastors living in $500k+ homes. That is how you get people like Larry Elder making comments like this. If morals, ethics, values, standards, all come far below money in priorities, that's the result. It's become like real-life Saint's Row 4.

Shit started before even that. I mean the 1920s were ripe with corporate greedy, self interest conservatives. Post WW2 we saw plenty more. Reagan was a POS when he was governor of California in the 60s and 70s. This is nothing new. This has been the GOP standard for nearly 100 years now.

[DingDongKing]

Larry Elder is a fucking creep.