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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    That's not complaining.

    I'm just shaking my head at people who are under some illusion that they deserve to make crazy wages for doing the lowest line jobs. People working in fast food thinking they need to make factory wages, etc.
    A living wage is not "crazy wages". It's literally a bare minimum for modest living.

    I'll also note that everyone else has provided data and justification for their points, whereas your stance is "I can see low rents from my house! Honest!" Given you lied about high school dropout rates, objectively and determinably, I have no reason to take anything else you're saying at face value.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Good on you for being forward in admitting your position isn't based on anything but subjective bias, I guess? Rofl.
    Says the pot/kettle. Run along (for the 4th time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    That's not complaining.
    You're right, technically speaking it's whinging rather than complaining.

    I'm just shaking my head at people who are under some illusion that they deserve to make crazy wages for doing the lowest line jobs. People working in fast food thinking they need to make factory wages, etc.
    A livable wage is not a "crazy wage".
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    A living wage is not "crazy wages". It's literally a bare minimum for modest living.
    If you want a living wage (to some), stop working at McDonalds thinking you deserve one that people busting their behinds in factories make. It's ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    Says the pot/kettle.
    I've provided you multiple sources backing up my arguments, bruh.

    As with strawmen, I don't think you understand the meaning of hypocrisy either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    If you want a living wage (to some), stop working at McDonalds thinking you deserve one that people busting their behinds in factories make. It's ridiculous.
    Fairly telling that you think working in food service is easy.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    I've provided you multiple sources backing up my arguments, bruh.

    As with strawmen, I don't think you understand the meaning of hypocrisy either.
    All you've done is attack strawmen. Run along (5th time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    If you want a living wage (to some), stop working at McDonalds thinking you deserve one that people busting their behinds in factories make. It's ridiculous.
    What makes you think I work at McDonalds?

    Also, no, thanks, I think everyone should be able to live in a basic modest level of comfort and security, no matter what jobs they're working. I don't want to foster a level of human suffering to make me feel better about slightly reduced suffering, and convincing myself that means I'm okay.

    Which is what you're arguing, even though you try and dress it up differently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    All you've done is attack strawmen. Run along (5th time).
    Wasn't a strawman, you've been repeatedly claiming poverty is a result of people engaging in wasteful financial decisions and providing no evidence for it besides your feels, so...
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    What makes you think I work at McDonalds?

    Also, no, thanks, I think everyone should be able to live in a basic modest level of comfort and security, no matter what jobs they're working. I don't want to foster a level of human suffering to make me feel better about slightly reduced suffering, and convincing myself that means I'm okay.

    Which is what you're arguing, even though you try and dress it up differently.
    I'm not saying "you". Just like $20 an hour in my place of employment isn't "me".

    I read the news articles all the time. Fast food workers wanting to make what factory workers make, etc.

    We can disagree about who should make a livable wage. Next thing we know, people delivering newspapers will start demanding factory wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Wasn't a strawman, you've been repeatedly claiming poverty is a result of people engaging in wasteful financial decisions and providing no evidence for it besides your feels, so...
    Man, you're like Mr. Strawman.

    *yawn*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    I'm not saying "you". Just like $20 an hour in my place of employment isn't "me".

    I read the news articles all the time. Fast food workers wanting to make what factory workers make, etc.

    We can disagree about who should make a livable wage. Next thing we know, people delivering newspapers will start demanding factory wages.
    What makes you think factory worker wages won't increase as well?
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    What makes you think factory worker wages won't increase as well?
    They have. Were you not paying attention to my comments or were you just too self-involved in making strawmans to actually read them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    Man, you're like Mr. Strawman.

    *yawn*
    *gestures*

    There are plenty of people who made the decision not to do something with their life and work at minimum wage places then complain because they can't afford to live yet they try living out of their means.
    Good to know this was just idle lying on your part, I guess.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    *gestures*
    Yeah because that's the exact same thing.

    No wonder you're so confused!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    They have.
    Not what I asked.

    I'm asking why you think "but factory workers" is even remotely relevant when the issue is not being able to make a living wage, as opposed to people desiring other people's wages like you're claiming.

    If it is full time employment, it deserves a living wage. Period.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    Don't have to do that. It's a 5 minute drive from the apartments in town to my place of employment
    We're not talking about you, I thought?

    Or are you just projecting your own experiences onto everyone else?

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    Man, add Necromantic to the ever-growing list of posters who won't discuss honestly like Machismo, dribbles, and many others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calfredd View Post
    Man, add Necromantic to the ever-growing list of posters who won't discuss honestly like Machismo, dribbles, and many others.
    People really seem to have a problem internalizing their own insignificance.

    Like I get that it's kind of grating for the data not to reflect one's lived experience, but most of us have actually grown up and accepted that humanity is a social species rather than persisting in childish beliefs like the Just World wherein the only people in poverty are the people that "deserve it".
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Not what I asked.

    I'm asking why you think "but factory workers" is even remotely relevant when the issue is not being able to make a living wage, as opposed to people desiring other people's wages like you're claiming.

    If it is full time employment, it deserves a living wage. Period.
    No, that's exactly what you asked.

    Here, I'll show you

    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    What makes you think factory worker wages won't increase as well?

    Just because you work somewhere 40 hours does not mean you deserve a livable wage. We can agree to disagree on that because it's very sad people believe this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    We're not talking about you, I thought?

    Or are you just projecting your own experiences onto everyone else?
    I never said that was me personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    Just because you work somewhere 40 hours does not mean you deserve a livable wage.
    And as Endus said, this is just a poor man's version of misanthropy.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    And as Endus said, this is just a poor man's version of misanthropy.
    And that... is a poor way to concede a discussion.

    *yawn*

    *gesture*

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