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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Nope, I've never had an unscientific stance as it relates to climate change. I very much support science and using it to solve climate change. Again though, if you believe science can determine that the government should implement Green Party policies then you are engaged in scientism.
    *chuckles*
    Define scientism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    This is beyond retarded.
    Why?
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Are you suggesting that science cannot also be prescriptive?
    That's exactly right. Science is explanatory as opposed to prescriptive. Science is not a crystal ball nor is it an authority over what people and society should do. Morality can be prescriptive though in the sense that it can tell you about what you should do, even though it lacks testable explanations like in science.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Do you generally ignore the medical advice given to you by doctors as well?
    When I've went to the doctor they've always told me about the problem and how to fix it. I've only had good experiences.

    A lot of doctors aren't scientists though because a lot of them have no interest in creating or testing explanations. They easily can be scientist but it just depends on what the individual doctor wants and what kind of work they are interested in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post


    When I've went to the doctor they've always told me about the problem and how to fix it.
    because research was done by...wait for it... fucking scientists. Science IS both descriptive and prescriptive.
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    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    *chuckles*
    Define scientism.
    It has definitely nothing to do with PC's belief in Star Trek technology fixing everything in the future. Nope. No projecting, here.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    because research was done by...wait for it... fucking scientists.
    Exactly, the people who did the research and rigorous testing are the scientists. A lot of doctors don't do that though, which is 100% fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Science IS both descriptive and prescriptive.
    It's neither. If something is purely descriptive and not explanatory then it's not science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    If you don't want to hear how useless your idea is then have less useless ideas.
    To be fair, he can have as many useless ideas as he wants. What he needs to do to not hear about how useless his ideas are is to stop talking about them.

    "Better to remain silent and appear a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    To be fair, he can have as many useless ideas as he wants. What he needs to do to not hear about how useless his ideas are is to stop talking about them.

    "Better to remain silent and appear a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"
    You don't even have an argument and can't even form a counter-argument and yet I'm the fool? Come back when you actually have an argument and want to debate an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    It has definitely nothing to do with PC's belief in Star Trek technology fixing everything in the future. Nope. No projecting, here.
    Projecting...yes.
    And predictive...like a crystal ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Come back when you actually have an argument and want to debate an issue.
    Hypocrites shouldn't throw stones in their glass houses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calfredd View Post
    Hypocrites shouldn't throw stones in their glass houses.
    Can you be more specific about what you are referencing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Exactly, the people who did the research and rigorous testing are the scientists. A lot of doctors don't do that though, which is 100%
    Aside from the fact that scientists can also literally be doctors you seem to miss the fucking point. Deliberately I think but I'll give this one more try. The scientists research the problem AND the correction I.e the description and the prescription. If you don't think science can be prescriptive than pharmacology is basically voodoo...
    Last edited by Glorious Leader; 2021-09-12 at 01:35 AM.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Aside from the fact that scientists can also literally be doctors
    Yeah if they want to be.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Deliberately I think but I'll give this one more try. The scientists research the problem AND the correction I.e the description and the prescription.
    "Description" isn't great in science though because a description doesn't have to clarify causation. Most descriptions are just raw data. As far as "prescription" science simply can't tell us what we should do. If there is a person who is a doctor and a scientist and they figure out a disease and the cure then that most likely means they have created scientific knowledge. However there is no such thing as scientific knowledge that tells you what you *should* do with scientific knowledge, because that is always determined by human values. Not science.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    If you don't think science can be prescriptive than pharmacology is basically voodoo...
    Nope, progress in pharmacology comes from explaining biology and drugs. ​There's nothing prescriptive about pharmacology and if there was it would merely being a human being imposing their personal opinion and goals onto the discipline
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    You don't even have an argument and can't even form a counter-argument and yet I'm the fool? Come back when you actually have an argument and want to debate an issue.
    Hey, I was defending your right to have as many useless ideas as you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    This is the past, present and future path of Yang :

    Democratic Presidential Nominee - Failed to win
    Mayor of NY - Failed to win
    Third Party - Failed to win
    Dancing with the stars - Failed to win
    So, outside of the last point, he has now become Ralph Nader 2.0. At least Nader got some legislation passed that helped people like seatbelts in cars and stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Nope, progress in pharmacology comes from explaining biology and drugs. ​There's nothing prescriptive about pharmacology and if there was it would merely being a human being imposing their personal opinion and goals onto the discipline
    Like how "herd immunity" originated.

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    Remember kids, most "independents" are just Republican's with a rebranding strategy.

    Andrew Yang's first move as an "independent" was to run straight to America's most prominent white supremacist for a pat on the back.





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    But did they talk about their favorite place in NYC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    It has definitely nothing to do with PC's belief in Star Trek technology fixing everything in the future. Nope. No projecting, here.
    Glad to see he is coming around to Star Trek's socialist utopia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    If true, sounds like Yang doesn't understand the issue with "Winner Take All", the Electoral College, and Spoiler Votes.

    You HAVE to fix those issues before 3rd parties ever hope to do anything but get the least wanted option elected.
    What you don't seem to grasp or understand is that more political parties doesn't do anything more than what you are complaining about. Being a citizen of both Canada and the U.S and having relatives in Canada voting now between NDP, Liberals and Conservative or Green, trust me coalition government doesn't make for a more superior method than a 2 party system. Since what makes a 2 party system successful requires people coming together anyways.

    Which is in fact what the main point is in politics.

    Personally I support Andrew Yang, He might just appeal to those unhappy with both Parties and willing to do the work from the ground up.


    However here is the Forward Parties core mandates what do you think?


    Political positions
    Six-core principles

    The Forward Party is focused on its six-core principles: open primaries, ranked-choice voting, fact-based governance, universal basic income, human-centered economy, grace and tolerance, and modern effective government. The Party does not take a stand on many social issues.

    Bureaucracy
    Modernization of government
    Policy decisions that are fact-based
    Regulation of former members of Congress from becoming lobbyists
    Economic issue
    Enactment of universal basic income
    Reformation of the economic system based upon human-centered capitalism
    Individual rights
    Assertion of data as a property right
    Term limits
    Institution of 18-year term limits for members of Congress
    Voting and electoral reform
    Elimination of big money in politics
    Expansion of open primaries
    Implementation of ranked-choice voting
    Use of redistricting commissions to avoid gerrymandering
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    @Doctor Amadeus

    Not entirely. A 2 party system doesn't require people to come together as one party will eventually get control at points in time and just steam roll what they want through.

    Just look at our last 3 Supreme Court Justices shoved through, look at how they shoved lower court appointments through with reckless abandon even when they weren't qualified and against the objections of the senators of the states they were being appointed to with lifetime appointments with some of them never even having worked in a court room before being appointed to lead it.

    Having more viable parties isn't a cure all, but it is a massive improvement as it requires them to except that they will have to work together and it makes it where the donors can't just throw everything into 2 parties to buy it all out like in the US where the Democrats are spineless while the Republicans are ruthless when it comes to getting what they claim they want.

    Having a party that doesn't take a stand is still an improvement between 2 parties who refuse to take a stand and will actually prevent anyone else who will take a stand from getting into power in the first place as they are the gatekeepers.

    Just look at what the DNC after AOC won and changed their rules to prevent others like her from getting power.

    While having 6 parties doesn't fix everything, I would still take it over a 2 party system 10 times out of 10.
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