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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias1337 View Post
    Its not fomo. Its way to keep value to ingame rewards which this game have very very little. If you compare amounth of exclusive what actualy people care about vs rewards to what is there available to farm its super tiny minority of items. But somehow people get butthurt about that 0,01% of exlusive items but doesnt care about anything in rest of 99.99% of farmable items. I really wonder why. Oh wait i dont. Its obviously becouse those items are exlusive which is exactly only reason why all of you want it back. 'Stop acting like it has anything to do with those items appearance. You simply hate that other players have something you dont and thats it.
    Okay, but I have done MoP CMs and the Mage Tower.

    Now what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segus1992 View Post
    Nah, I'm saying that since they obviously don't want to do that, it should be easy to understand they won't do it with this either.
    Fair enough, but I think they should do it with all those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m4xc4v413r4 View Post
    It isn't either, if you actually read it you would see that I didn't talk about that at all. This is an argument against people that make dumb excuses.
    That's exactly why I asked, though. Because it could've easily been one or the other.

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    How the hell did this get past page one with no proof being provided by OP, let alone page 10? Are people that eager to discuss this that they believe the OP's baseless claim so easily?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    How the hell did this get past page one with no proof being provided by OP, let alone page 10? Are people that eager to discuss this that they believe the OP's baseless claim so easily?
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/return-...amining-324115

    This seems to be all we know so far and it seems likely from the stuff datamined.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    How the hell did this get past page one with no proof being provided by OP, let alone page 10? Are people that eager to discuss this that they believe the OP's baseless claim so easily?
    I think it just became the new thread to talk about mage tower and speculate where the new armor comes from.

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    calm down you're getting tier 20 reskins. Let people keep their FOMO rewards that they farmed under the assumption of exclusivity.
    thinly veiled high elf thread

  6. #246
    damn. i started maining a druid when SL released. I quit before 9.1. I was thinking of returning for 9.1.5 if I could get the werebear skin but now i wont.

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by psiko74 View Post
    damn. i started maining a druid when SL released. I quit before 9.1. I was thinking of returning for 9.1.5 if I could get the werebear skin but now i wont.
    As someone who got the Bear when Tower was in current tier, I could care less if they added for players like you as long as the fight is on par with how it was in Legion (which was a joke anyways)

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgran View Post
    Tell yourself whatever you want, but you're not a casual (or you might be now, but you weren't during Legion)
    I mean maybe, it's a term without a firm or fixed definition. My definition is, no non-queue content.

    Yours may vary.

  9. #249
    source on this? honestly i believe the recolored T20 is for the KSM, not MT, otherwise what would be the point doing legion KSM?

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Segus1992 View Post
    Scaling content is never going to be able to ensure the difficulty stays the same. Time exclusive rewards also entices people to play while they're available. If they're always available there's no reason to do them while they're current, and people end up playing less as a whole.
    It is short time gain vs. longevity and replayability of content. Imagine there were players who were too young to operate a keyboard when this content went live. NOW they would like to experience it and can't.

    I mean, this is such a short sighted and egotistical perspective, it is hilarious in a sad way this was actually developed like that.

    Since when is having MORE relevant content bad for a game? Do you actually as a player WANT to be pressured into a treadmill? Is this Stockholm syndrome kicking in?

    It is also funny that devs blame players they are devouring content too fast and then keep removing content on a regular basis.
    I mean, what gives???
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  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    So aparently they are bringing back mage tower but not artifact skins only some random recolours of raid gear

    this proves they learned nothing and 9.1.5 is another casual-hate patch .

    there is no hope for those devs they only cater to toxic elitest not to casual players

    Go back in time and do the tower mage like all the people that earned in the right way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    It is short time gain vs. longevity and replayability of content. Imagine there were players who were too young to operate a keyboard when this content went live. NOW they would like to experience it and can't.

    I mean, this is such a short sighted and egotistical perspective, it is hilarious in a sad way this was actually developed like that.

    Since when is having MORE relevant content bad for a game? Do you actually as a player WANT to be pressured into a treadmill? Is this Stockholm syndrome kicking in?

    It is also funny that devs blame players they are devouring content too fast and then keep removing content on a regular basis.
    I mean, what gives???
    I ask myself the same questions.
    I have a lot of the timed rewards and I don't mind others being able to do them and gain them again.
    Heck I want to do the Legendary Cloak questline again! It's an important part of lore completely gone and the reasons to remove it and hinder new players from enjoying it just creates segregation of players.
    They removed the treasure hoard scenario because they claimed it would generate too much gold and then they dropped garrison table gold missions in our laps. Completely nonsensical. They removed a fun scenario for shitty reasons and have been continuing to do so ever since.

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaloff View Post
    source on this? honestly i believe the recolored T20 is for the KSM, not MT, otherwise what would be the point doing legion KSM?
    There is no official source. Since Blizzard is completely silent on this, they could as well just put something on datamining, watch discussions about it and THEN decide if bringing Mage Tower is good idea and what should be reward.

    Imo good compromise would be just recolored weapon from original Mage Tower - people who want exclusive stuff would keep it, people who want unique model would get it, Blizzard wouldn't break word about MT weapons going away, people would done MT in Legion would have something to do.

    T20 recolor creates another problem:
    - is this reward for single MT scenario? some scenarios are very easy compared to others (worm, Agatha with better gear), that would make Tank/Heal challenges dead.
    - do you have to complete all scenarios? that would make it piss easy on DPS classes, especially Druid would be screwed up.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    It is short time gain vs. longevity and replayability of content. Imagine there were players who were too young to operate a keyboard when this content went live. NOW they would like to experience it and can't.

    I mean, this is such a short sighted and egotistical perspective, it is hilarious in a sad way this was actually developed like that.

    Since when is having MORE relevant content bad for a game? Do you actually as a player WANT to be pressured into a treadmill? Is this Stockholm syndrome kicking in?

    It is also funny that devs blame players they are devouring content too fast and then keep removing content on a regular basis.
    I mean, what gives???
    When content is introduced with the intention of being time limited so more people engage with it just because it's going away, it'd be really shitty to reintroduce it later.

    I assume their stance is that they're not confident they can ensure content maintains the right difficulty through the expansions, and/or that it's extra work to ensure that it does, however many years down the line it has to be kept up for the dwindling amount of players relatively that engage with it.

    Time limited content isn't just FOMO, it's also about being economical with developer time.

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by Pakheth View Post
    I ask myself the same questions.
    I have a lot of the timed rewards and I don't mind others being able to do them and gain them again.
    Heck I want to do the Legendary Cloak questline again! It's an important part of lore completely gone and the reasons to remove it and hinder new players from enjoying it just creates segregation of players.
    They removed the treasure hoard scenario because they claimed it would generate too much gold and then they dropped garrison table gold missions in our laps. Completely nonsensical. They removed a fun scenario for shitty reasons and have been continuing to do so ever since.
    You can do the scenario as a rogue if you do your class hall quest. Not the same thing I know but it does still exist.

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    I earned the one skin I was interested in for my Destro Warlock at the time. Had I been a little more into the expansion, I easily could've seen myself going the full "all 36" route, leveling up one of every class and working my way through all of them. Sadly that didn't happen, I never wound up leveling them all, let alone gearing them, getting their class flying mounts (which are all badass), or running Mage Tower.

    That said, this absolutely seems like casual content. Just because it's challenging doesn't mean it's not casual. It's casual because you can do it alone, and you can put as much or as little time into it as you desire, as well as gear up for it with multiple different methods. Casual =\= so easy a baby can do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakheth View Post
    I ask myself the same questions.
    I have a lot of the timed rewards and I don't mind others being able to do them and gain them again.
    Heck I want to do the Legendary Cloak questline again! It's an important part of lore completely gone and the reasons to remove it and hinder new players from enjoying it just creates segregation of players.
    They removed the treasure hoard scenario because they claimed it would generate too much gold and then they dropped garrison table gold missions in our laps. Completely nonsensical. They removed a fun scenario for shitty reasons and have been continuing to do so ever since.
    To be fair, they were smart to remove the Garrison gold missions because they introduced the WoW token. With only three T3 Garrisons, I made enough gold to play WoW for over a year and a half without paying them a dollar. If they'd kept them in? Everyone would be running a full server of T3 Garrisons and buying WoW Tokens with gold forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    To be fair, they were smart to remove the Garrison gold missions because they introduced the WoW token. With only three T3 Garrisons, I made enough gold to play WoW for over a year and a half without paying them a dollar. If they'd kept them in? Everyone would be running a full server of T3 Garrisons and buying WoW Tokens with gold forever.
    Yeah I don't disagree I just wish we got the Thunder Isle Treasure Trove scenario back since I thought it was fun. Never ran it for the gold anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empower View Post
    You can do the scenario as a rogue if you do your class hall quest. Not the same thing I know but it does still exist.
    I was not aware of that. Interesting. But Rogue is the only class I have not leveled to max so that's probably why.

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by jaysphan129 View Post
    how was the original catered to casual players lol
    Original in 7.2 (or was it 7.1?) was not casual in the least. By the time 7.3.5 rolled around it was perfectly casual.
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  19. #259
    They should just get I’d of all exclusives, the game doesn’t benefit at all from having less rewards to go after.

    Put all the scaling tech they made to use and made pve content as hard as it ever was and put all the rewards back in, make elite sets and glad mounts buy able with tokens so once you get to that rank in any reason you can pick from any of the old rewards like they do with viscous saddles.

    Lock rewards behind playing well instead of when you played.

  20. #260
    I hate FOMO, quit removing content
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