I was working from home that day, in my old house. Had the TV on in the background, where the news was talking about a plane hitting a tower. As the live news report was on, you suddenly saw a second plane heading towards the second tower. And the fact that it wasn't some bizarre accident become apparent.
At least that's how I remember it. Knowing how unreliable anyone's memory is, there's every chance I might have that wrong.
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was in 1st period science class when the announcement was made that the world trade center had been hit and for the teachers to turn on the tv and turn to the news channel.
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To start, I'm Canadian and I'm on the West Coast so it wasn't quite as impactful to me personally... but it was still a very big deal.
I was asleep and was woken up by a phone call from my mom. I was about to chew her out for calling me at like 6 am (remember...West coast...so it was 3 hours earlier) but I could tell from her voice she was upset.
She told me to turn on the TV and that there was going to be war now.
I took the morning off from my classes at college and sat glued to the TV for the next few hours. At a certain point there stopped being any significant updates for a bit so I got on with my day.
When I went to my afternoon classes...the campus was mostly empty...the few people that were there were all looking at the closest television. Technically, classes were still on...but all the ones I went to we kind of skipped whatever the lesson plan was and just kinda talked about the attack. I assume it was like that for everyone else's classes.
Lying about WMDs in Iraq and sending our troops there and attacking Afghanistan was worse.
We lost 2x as many troops in these places as people we lost on 9/11, and the economic cost was substantially more. Plus he established the idea that US Presidents have the freedom to lie whenever needed. His approval rating soared to 90%, and it didn't drop because of being called out for his lies, it went down because the war never really that well for the US and for the mancession that happened in his second term.
So yeah, what he followed up 9/11 with was much worse than 9/11 itself. By a lot.
No, it was a misleading statement from another bad faith poster.
Some context.
After 9/11 Bush demanded that the Taliban:
Did the Taliban offer concession for anything besides the first point?
- Deliver to the US all of the leaders of Al-Qaeda
- Release all foreign nationals that have been unjustly imprisoned
- Protect foreign journalists, diplomats, and aid workers
- Close immediately every terrorist training camp
- Hand over every terrorist and their supporters to appropriate authorities
- Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps for inspection
No.
Did they offer to hand over anyone besides bin Laden?
No.
Did they offer to hand over bin Laden to the US to be tried under US jurisdiction?
No and No.
What they offered were that bin Laden was tried in an Afghan court or possibly in Pakistan, but under Islamic law, while also spreading wild conspiracy theories about Jews and WTC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#PreludeThis response was generally dismissed as a delaying tactic, rather than a sincere attempt to cooperate with the ultimatum.
With what we now know about Pakistan we see that it wasn't a real offer.
handing over to a third party was an option which the usa didn't want. The usa also didn't want to stop droning, something the Taliban asked for later in exchange for Bin Ladin. Which I you think about it, why would the USA still need to attack and drone them if they got their objective?
I'm sorry that you believe USA should have jurisdiction over the entire fucking earth, but if they say "use a third party" outrage over that is stupid.
Also there's that whole bit about how we killed one of the guys who would have been able to orchestrate this shortly after one of the offers.
You should probably follow the post chain back to the original source...which was this comment here:
Which does indeed "suggest" that:
See, I'm not saying that "George W. Bush was the greatest President ever and his response to 9/11 was totally the awesomeist". No, that shit was terrible...his entire administration should have faced charges.
I'm addressing the conspiracy theory that George W. Bush orchestrated that attacks on September 11, 2001.
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I am a New Yorker and I will say everything following was far worse.
Literally the debt we have could have saved MILLIONS OF PEOPLE from deaths tied directly to poverty. Healthcare, homelessness, mental health, food security. Could have been paid for and saved millions. But hey given the USA would never do that..
hundreds of thousands of civilians wouldn't have died. I mean considering what we've done apparently it's now okay if Iraq wants to just carpet bomb Texas to get the Bush Family. The civilians are just "collateral damage"
I don't think that Bush orchestrated 9/11. He definitely failed to stop it.
But the US reaction to 9/11 did a LOT more damage to the US than 9/11 itself. Orders of magnitude worse. After 9/11, "We are all Americans." After 20 years of continuing to react to 9/11, "Americans are the greatest threat to peace in the world." We did that to ourselves.
The lies that he told changed the way the world looks at US Presidents. As Al Jaezarra said around the time of the capturing of Bin Laden "The Obama administration told 3 stories as to what happened during the raid. At least 2 of them were lies." And of course, after Obama came a President that told more lies in 4 years than Bush and Obama combined in 16.
Bush even lied about the National Deficits that he racked up during his term. Add up the national deficits of his 8 years as President and you get around $3 trillion. The national debt went from $5 trillion to $11 trillion during his term - around $6 trillion. Basically he put around $3 trillion of defense stuff as "indispensable spending" or something like that and removed that spending from our official national deficit for the time he was in office. Obama rescinded that rule once he got into office, but the official national deficits racked up by Bush are just flat out lies.
So yeah, these kinds of events hurt the US far more than 9/11 itself. Bin Laden wanted the US to attack the Middle East to punish the US and the Middle East for something or other (stationing US troops in sacred lands? something like that). Bush fell into his trap hook, line, and sinker. His surviving supporters are ecstatic at how well his plan turned out.
Before: "We are all Americans now." After: "America is the number 1 threat to peace in the world."
Another misleading statement from a bad faith poster; who have proven time and again that they are aware of the facts but deliberately distort them.
It wasn't "a third party"; they were talking about handing over bin Laden to at most an islamic court in Pakistan - while talking about the conspiracy of Jews knowing about WTC. The same Pakistan that had some ties with the Taliban and where bin Laden would later seek refuge.
I was at school. Suddenly our principal came in, pale as a ghost, slurring that teachers should send all the kids home. I got home and turned on the tv, and it was still not understood at that time that there'd been an attack.
As I'm standing there, the second plane comes. After that I remember hearing "This is an attack!" and that's it.