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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Rockefellah View Post
    I don't see how this is "retconned".

    Magic exists in a unstable form
    Arcane entities manipulate and add order and control to magic to wield it.

    Fel entities embrace it's chaotic nature and allow it to manipulate them (thus causing mutations and demonization).

    In both cases magic is still magic. Demons are still attracted to it, in both it's fel and arcane form.
    But going by that logic Fel entities also add order in deciding what Fel spells to cast.

    They aren't just channeling raw Fel energies, they order it into different spells like hellfire and immolate.

    And even if were to grant you what you're saying we still haven't solved the fundamental issue, that the force of Order is chaotic and volatile.

    Sure wielders of it might "order" it in the same way that I claim Fel users "order" Fel, but the power in and of itself is supposed like a manifestation of order in the world, no? Then shouldn't it already be ordered?
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  2. #102
    Warcraft™ is a story about The Jailer's minions pretending to fight each other.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by ThiagoTorres View Post
    WoW is the only game that lore is divided between books and the game

    People need to buy books to understand the lore of the game LMAO Thats why everyone play the game and says that lore is trash or is confusing, because the other half of history is released in books
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  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmatrix View Post
    If magic is never allowed then casters would have a 100% lose rate against melee fighters. Good luck mage we just took away 99.9999% of your arsenal, have fun beating on a prot warrior used to taking beatings that would shatter your bones while yawning.
    That was the whole point. Brute further and physical strength were overvalued as fuck and if you were a shaman, nobody would challenge you, because it would not be honorable to do so. On the other side, if somebody challenged you, it meant there was a very good reason for it and deserved your ass to be beaten. It was crude logic, but it had a concept behind it.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by thottstation View Post
    Warcraft™ is a story about The Jailer's minions pretending to fight each other.
    That everything ended up boiling down to that phrase is the biggest disappointment of all of Shadowlands, a bland, totally uninteresting villain, and then they pull the “Oh yeah, he was behind every-damn-thing that ever happened all along!” card on him…

  6. #106
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    "Well imagine the meme in which Japan attacked Port Harbor and that is why the US joins the war and makes Germany finally lose."

    The current Lore is something like that.

    Sylvanas is Japanese. Thanos is Germany and Azeroth is the US.
    Last edited by geco; 2021-09-22 at 11:34 PM. Reason: Removed Meme Image

  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by thottstation View Post
    Warcraft™ is a story about The Jailer's minions pretending to fight each other.
    This, so much this. The bunch of hacks in charge of the story have managed to butcher the Human and Scourge campaigns of WC3 RoC, some of the best parts in the entire franchise.
    Last edited by Soon-TM; 2021-09-23 at 02:11 AM.
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    "Die, wold soul of *incomprehensible mumbling* with your death my plan to *incomprehensible mumbling* finally fullfilled and *incomprehensible mumbling*!"

  8. #108
    Retcons: if such a damn thing needs to be done then whoever is doing the writing is doing it wrong.
    Last edited by Shadowferal; 2021-09-23 at 11:02 AM.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    My personal favorite is necromancy in Shadowlands, even though its inhabitants are supposed to be gone for good once they die there again.
    While Shadowlands is a confusing place for sure, Maldraxxus is the worst offender and I just can't wrap my ahead around it.
    "So I get a second chance at conscience thinking and existence, better waste it on huge brawl in some arena asap". Or did I miss some lore explaining that either Maldraxxians do not die when they die in death or they just actually don't tive a shit?

    And my absolute biggest gripe is that even if you are a diehard light fanboy and died in it's name you can still end up in Maldraxxus like Morgraine and forced to look at rotting corpses similar to the ones that destroyed your homeland and basically was a reason for your death in the first place.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Warferno View Post
    While Shadowlands is a confusing place for sure, Maldraxxus is the worst offender and I just can't wrap my ahead around it.
    "So I get a second chance at conscience thinking and existence, better waste it on huge brawl in some arena asap". Or did I miss some lore explaining that either Maldraxxians do not die when they die in death or they just actually don't tive a shit?

    And my absolute biggest gripe is that even if you are a diehard light fanboy and died in it's name you can still end up in Maldraxxus like Morgraine and forced to look at rotting corpses similar to the ones that destroyed your homeland and basically was a reason for your death in the first place.
    Maldraxxus seems to have some ability to retain slain people. Its why they have abominations and stuff. I think there's also a quest involving defeated combatants.

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  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Myradin View Post
    Maldraxxus seems to have some ability to retain slain people. Its why they have abominations and stuff. I think there's also a quest involving defeated combatants.
    Yeah, Maldraxxus abominations are basically mecha with souls as the pilots. It's not clear (or at least made apparent) if the soul can leave or enter freely but I do remember a line in the House of Constructs storyline mentioning the Margrave removing souls from abominations and using them for something else. There's also the whole Stitchmasters thing, where you make bodies for free souls to enter. Emeni is a Sethrak soul's current body, etc. Definitely seems that if you die in Maldraxxus you just kind hang around until you get a new body. Then again there are plenty of examples of characters dying or being dead...

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