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Now that the arcane has no connection to the nether or demons anymore, do we have any idea why night elves disdain overuse of the arcane? Seems like they built that entire aspect of their culture around nothing. At the very least their reasoning seems much less compelling. Why does the arcane attract demons in the first place? Is that still canon?
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Some people really like flavor. Occasionally subsisting on nutrient paste just doesn't feel the same as eating a steak. I get that flavor isn't for everyone, but I doubt removing all cosmetic indicators from the game would be appealing either. Nobody want to log in, queue to fight modestly sized blue checked box boss #7, initiate combat using an attack sequence of abilities 1-7 with a 13 beat repeat coda intermittently, and collect item level 630 slot 7 gear either.
What would've made the most sense is just saying they were opportunists. They were kicked out by Denathrius, joined up with the Legion, then with the Legion gone came crawling back, pretending to have been totally in deep cover the whole time, you guys, please take us back! D:
Why the kyrians are getting souls to the shadowlands, i am unable to understand why the kyrians are doing that, either they didnt knew the arbiter is broken, which is probably even worse than just being stupid and not caring about it at all.
Who thougth that it would be a good idea to make the maw the default fate of souls if the arbiter does not judge them, why not make a special zone in the shadowlands to store souls while the arbiter doesnt work.
Shadowlands itself is just a lorecrap destroyer expansion, the more you think about it the worse it becomes
I guess arcane attracts fel the same way life attracts death, they are enemies, i think the demons did find planets thanks to arcane magic used in that world, that is why the nelves forbid it until they realized there are more races in the world using it so it didnt matter anymore if they didnt use it.
Some people really like flavor. Occasionally subsisting on nutrient paste just doesn't feel the same as eating a steak. I get that flavor isn't for everyone, but I doubt removing all cosmetic indicators from the game would be appealing either. Nobody want to log in, queue to fight modestly sized blue checked box boss #7, initiate combat using an attack sequence of abilities 1-7 with a 13 beat repeat coda intermittently, and collect item level 630 slot 7 gear either.
So, why do souls turn into their covenant regardless of living race (ie that Tauren having trouble), but Uther is just blue Uther?
Uther is a bad example. Vash is the correct Example.
Because the logic that Vash puts in should apply many other characters.
As elf she was one more, as Naga was a general she would rather be a naga than be a random undead.
I'm sure most great warriors prefer to be themselves with their body. With whom they fought so many times.
PS: SL seems to be written as being just the afterlife of Azeroth. That's why Teldrazzil is important that's why the only recognizable ones are from Azeroth. But at some point it occurred to them that it had to be the one in the entire universe.
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That Sylvanas is still alive.
The reason behind banishing mages from elven society was because they did experiments with the well of eternity which attracted the legion and especially sargeras himself who wanted to use the well as a portal. They basically blamed the ones able to wield (arcane)magic for the sundering and downfall of their empire. So thats kind of reasonable for a race that has always been very alligned with nature and the one time they discover something else they get annihilated.
With cata they allowed them back because malfurion worked with mages from other races all the time anyway i guess.
So in my headcanon its not so much that demons are drawn to arcane, but the legion is drawn to signs of life in the cosmos and the elves put a huge "(not so much) intelligent life here! Portal service for free too!" sign out there.
Not just him. Every Venthyr is an ugly soul vampire and every soul in their care is a featureless ghost, but Kael is still Kael with a new paintjob and Garrosh is still Garrosh. Ysera is still Ysera. Maldraxxus is the worst offender, with every Baron and Margrave otherwise looking like body parts stapled together but Draka, Vashj and Alexandros looking like more glamorous green Death Knight versions of themselves. At least Kel'Thuzad can be excused by already being a Lich.
In general Azeroth is IMO too important to the Shadowlands. Thinking about it, every single major lieutenant of the Jailer- Helya, Mueh'zala, KT, Sylvanas, all come from there in some form despite the guy having countless souls coming from who knows how many worlds to choose from. When the dust settles in Maldraxxus damn near every Baron and Margrave still standing is from Azeroth with the exception of Sin'dane. Teldrassil is treated as a major game-changer but in the grand scale of things it was one disaster happening to one race on one world, it should be a drop in the bucket against the thousands that must die every second across the universe. To say nothing of Mawduin of course. It really does feel like the afterlife of just Azeroth, rather than that of the universe entire (hell, multiverse even, but I'm not opening that can of worms for the sake of my sanity).
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What was the point of introducing the concept/existence of 'Void Lords' as the true 'big bads' of WoW and as a result reduce the worth of Old Gods only to then completely invalidate them and randomly introduce an even 'truer bigger bad' in the form of the Jailer with zero grounding or lead up to as the 'ultimate threat able to recreate the universe' in WoW that has totally been behind everything and is just succeeding no matter how stupid the justification or set up is.
Oh also why they're so opposed to actually exploring other worlds that they keep establishing in their universe and instead focus on hyping cosmic forces they never intend to properly explain while we diddle about smacking each other in the face on Azeroth. I mean we've basically gone to one small part of Argus (which let's be frank was a smaller outlands) and Draenor twice (again as outlands falling apart and small section of it) and that's it.
how all these figures keep getting leadership out of nowhere.
Gazlowe was a figure of vague influence from the Steemweedle Cartel... now he's the Trade Prince running the Bilgewater Cartel.
Lillian Voss was explicitely NOT a member of the forsaken but somehow joined in and became the defacto leader over established characters that were previously running prominent organizations in the Undercity...
Calia Menethil.... in general
Valeera Sanguinar hanging out in horde controlled areas NOT sneaking around (honestly I think Shaw would be a better fit or... the Wolf)
How is undeath intended to work
I agree in regards to the magic lore or more specifically arcane magic. The older magic system as explained by the Warcraft RPG was much more interesting and didn't create unnecessary contradictions. It's baffling how they thought their current magic system is superior the corebooks.
Undeath as a type of death magic instead of arcane/nether/demonic magic is also another very stupid and confusing retcon. The whole point of Undeath is that it's an unnatural liminal state between life and death that is imposed on a soul to prevent it from leaving this world while not being fully part of it anymore. The weird, hamfisted explanation that it's just how the Maldraxxi make new bodies for themselves (because apparently you need bodies in the afterlife) is some of the most retarded world building I've ever seen.
The more I think about modern Warcraft lore, the less I want to think about modern Warcraft lore.
What were some of the many issues the old lore had?
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The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
cause hes pissed most people here think the lore is trash, and tries to make it seem like its the other way around.
on topic: the whole comic forces bullshit. they tried to make magic more complex, but actually just dumbed it down incredibly. its boring, contradictive and limiting.
also, the fact that everything in WC3 doesnt make an ounce of sense anymore. its basically "jailers minions fighting each other for no reason at all"
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