Is the Center Left Ascendant in 2022?

[Mihalik]

A bit more and you will godwin the thread.

This really is 2016 II, The Electric Boogaloo.

[JohnBrown1917]

Marine Le Pen is not a fascist, just like Richard Spencer and Steve Bannon aren't Nazis.

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Allow me to translate.

"I'm not a racist xenophobe. I just hate French people of Jewish, Black, Arab, Roma and Eastern European descent."

#totallynotanazi

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There's no meaningful ideological difference between Orban and the likes of Le Pen. All Orban has over Le Pen and ilk is that he's actually running a country and due to that he has outsized influence on EU wide politics, making him the institutional mouthpiece of far right movements across the EU.

The key difference is that Orban is a lot more popular in Hungary than Le pen is in France and thus also holds a lot more power.

[Dezerte]

I wish.

The ascent of the far-right doesn't seem to over yet. The next election in Sweden may see a far-right party come into considerable power, and the last two elected governments (where the centre-left won) have effectively been centrist governments characterized by block-politics and compromises.

[downnola]

And here I thought only acts mattered ? Currently, her party is not as far right as it was, at least, its political program. Not That I would vote for her anyway.

So her past actions and policies she's championed don't matter? All of that just goes out the window because she's trying to change her parties image after losing election after election?

You can't be this naive.

[Specialka]

So her past actions and policies she's championed don't matter? All of that just goes out the window because she's trying to change her parties image after losing election after election?

You can't be this naive.

All I am saying is that her party and politics are not as far right as they used to be.

[jonnysensible]

All I am saying is that her party and politics are not as far right as they used to be.

shes a fascist pig. flirts with great replacement theory, defends other fascists (generation identity etc), she invited those crazy cunts who wrote those letters about a having a civil war and a coup to join her party saying she agreed with the assessments, shes Islamophobic as fuck, again shes a fascist pig.

[Egomaniac]

And here I thought only acts mattered ? Currently, her party is not as far right as it was, at least, its political program. Not That I would vote for her anyway.

There's a bold new slogan. "Not as far right as we used to be"

[Glorious Leader]

Not particularly. The Liberals (which are more pure centre) are basically tied with the Conservatives (which are internally falling under the control of the socons). The Liberals tend to be more efficient (The cons have a lot of "wasted" votes in the west where they routinely win 80%+ of the vote in a lot of ridings, so a lot of their vote percentage isn't actually going to earn them more seats), so with the same vote percentage, they're probably to end up with more seats and another minority government. Though surprises may happen.

The NDP is getting higher than usual polling, but it remains to be seen how that converts to seats. And even then, it's a far cry from the orange crush years, much less any probability of forming government.

The liberal lead is mostly a function of how deeply unpopular erin otoole is and not reflective of Trudeau or the liberals. I saw poling I dont l dont know how recent it was that showed the ndp being ahead in several ridings particularly in Ontario.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Loyalty or Purity, they seem like the same thing but I think one gives the right an edge.

[PC2]

Is the Center Left Ascendant in 2022?

It's impossible to know how people's political ideas will change in the next year or two but I guess the center-left will ascend a little bit. There'll probably be a few new center-left policies in the USA in the next couple years. But nothing big and exciting. Business as usual.

[Endus]

Center is the way to go, extremist right/left are just a various forms of cancer. It's just people who just want to smash things.

I absolutely prefer mixing some of the left's ideas about social and medical security, abortions and equality with some of the right's ideas about liberal economy, free markets, meritocracy and state building.

Those . . . just flatly aren't right-wing views.

Free market action is not inherently left- or right-wing. It's entirely dependent on the underlying economic system. See market socialism, for example.

A "liberal economy" is only right-wing if you're considering "liberal" in the sense of "classical liberal", meaning "businesses can do what they want without regulation". If you mean anything like modern liberalism, what you're talking about is left-wing.

"Meritocracy" is just a meaningless dogwhistle used by bigots to try and justify their prejudice by calling to some inherently-prejudiced definition of "merit" instead. "I hire men because they're just better than women, not because I hate women" and that sort of utter horseshit.

And "State building" isn't something unique to right-wingers, either. At all. I have no idea where you got that.

[Ettan]

For Norway? Nah not really.

The recent election is mostly down to two factors.

1. A general wish for change, the outgoing administration has been ruling the country since 2013 (a pretty darn long time so even ppl on the right where down for a shift).
2. The growth of Sp (an agrarian/rural party).
SP is actually more of a right wing party than a left wing or sentrist party, so during the election it attracted a large portion of the right.

The reason SP doesnt colaborate with the right and instead usually colabs with the left (have done so in the past too); is that the rest of the norwegian right is largely pro centralization. And SP being "the farmers/ rural party" it is a deep core issue for them to oppose centralization in all its forms.

Personally I quite like them on the left actually, they have a soothing/ moderating effect on the left; against higher taxation, refusing to colab with the most fringe left elements.
EG they want to revert the recent county reform and preferably have a local hospital/ airport at every godforsaken "town"(roadcrossing). They also want to leave eec and renegotiate it ala uk, but sadly its not very likely, AP will not agree to that.


The other parties that will likely form gov,
AP traditional labour, centre left party; (stagnant; originally the party for the ind workers, but thing is we dont really have alot of industry any more, primarily only oil & gas related); so generally they are just buisness as usual; with some more state control.
SV (further left, somewhere between trad labour and the communists) - "the teachers party" very big on education reform, and wealth redistribution.

Also of the left but highly likely to be excluded from gov;
Rødt (closet communists) ; Did surprisingly well. But they dont really have anything with actual thought behind it, what they do have is a few charismatic leaders that can sway some of the sheep.
However they wont get in gov, just way too far out there. Still I dont think they mind, the party enjoys influencing from opposition.

Mdg/envirnomental party (1 issue party, without any form form of competence; horrible election ~failed to reach the 4% neccecary for supplimented mandates).
Some presence in oslo, otherwise just dead. Just dumbfuk polices, only able to attract the youngest and most naive.