Should raid difficulties and LFR be retuned and consolidated?

[Dracullus]

It's easy to break something that works - and we have same raiding system since October 2014. This community complain 24/7 about many things, but very rarely it's raiding. Leave it alone.

[Scorned]

This question puzzles me whenever it pops up. Why do people complain about having lots of options and variety when it comes to challenge? If you think that trimming one difficulty level is going to suddenly allow Blizzard to start producing tons of content elsewhere, you're deluding yourselves.

[Gourbaak]

raid difficulties are fine as they are

[Twdft]

I've seen some suggestions from people that the 3 raid difficulties and the 1 tourist mode that we have right now is too many.

Do you agree? If so, how should Blizzard go about retuning and possibly reducing the amount of difficulties in the game?

Why exactly would that be too many? WoW players differ enormously in skill, if any change to the nimber of difficulties would be warrented than only to make more of them.

[Palapop]

Normal mode can be removed imo keep LFR Heroic and Mythic

Or you could remove "mythic"

and instead of having: LFR, normal, heroic, mythic
you would end up with: LFR, NEW normal, NEW heroic.

New normal would become old heroic.
And new heroic would become old mythic.

Just as things used to be before adding 4th difficulty.

[Ticj]

I really think that normal and heroic need to be merged.

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Why exactly would that be too many? WoW players differ enormously in skill, if any change to the nimber of difficulties would be warrented than only to make more of them.

Because, the more raid difficulties you have, the sharper of a power increase you get with each tier as you need 4 (or more as you are saying) different difficulties to make gear for. If we have less difficulties, we can have more concise item levels and not have to deal with having a stat squish every expansion.

Also, the more difficulties you have, the more you split raiding pools, and for many guilds the current progression is Normal ----> Heroic which is fine, but it's fairly irritating when you have 1/3 of your raid roster stop logging in whenever you clear it on the first difficulty.

[Blackmist]

Nah, it's mostly fine. There's a difficulty for everyone right now. There's no need to run a lower difficulty than you're capable of, it's not like you have to work your way up. If you've got Mythic gear already, you just start in heroic.

[Osmeric]

Or you could remove "mythic"

and instead of having: LFR, normal, heroic, mythic
you would end up with: LFR, NEW normal, NEW heroic.

New normal would become old heroic.
And new heroic would become old mythic.

Just as things used to be before adding 4th difficulty.

They moved away from that for a damned good reason: Friends and Family guilds either did LFR, or didn't raid. And that sucked for those guilds.

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I really think that normal and heroic need to be merged.

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Because, the more raid difficulties you have, the sharper of a power increase you get with each tier as you need 4 (or more as you are saying) different difficulties to make gear for.

The advance in ilvl from one difficulty mode to the same difficulty mode in the next tier can be independent of how many difficulty modes there are, so I don't understand this argument.

[Kalocy Jim]

They moved away from that for a damned good reason: Friends and Family guilds either did LFR, or didn't raid. And that sucked for those guilds.

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The advance in ilvl from one difficulty mode to the same difficulty mode in the next tier can be independent of how many difficulty modes there are, so I don't understand this argument.

While i'd rather not consolidate any of the raid difficulties, id be okay getting rid of the tourist mode difficulty, as it really serves no purpose anymore. Also from what I understand from other's comments, its just a cesspool of toxic players. So why keep a breeding ground for negative toxic players to fester in?

[Queen of Hamsters]

LFR, Heroic, Mythic. Remove Normal.

LFR justifies the resources put into raid content, and that's that.

[kamuimac]

I've seen some suggestions from people that the 3 raid difficulties and the 1 tourist mode that we have right now is too many.

Do you agree? If so, how should Blizzard go about retuning and possibly reducing the amount of difficulties in the game?

agreed

thats why blizzrd should remove 2 modes that are least done as they are nothign but waste of resources

but im sure you are not looking for this type of answer

[RayenDark]

Combine LFR and Normal imo. Heroic and Mythic are fine.

[jazen]

Casual players (myself included) are what pay the bills, so keep lfr. If anything, merge heroic and normal, to get it down to 3 difficulties.

[Gaidax]

Yeah let's start fixing something that does not need fixing. As if WoW team has nothing better to fix or do.

[daytonbrown]

If there's a raid difficulty you think needs to be removed, just don't do it. No need to remove it.
Kind of like flying.

[Dilbon]

Not difficulties but loot. LFR, normal and heroic should all drop the same item level gear but with different drop rates (quite low on LFR and somewhat high on heroic). Mythic gear should remain higher level. And of course that would mean that you could only loot one boss on one difficulty per week (excluding mythic) so raiders would absolutely not need to do LFR.

[MrLachyG]

Or you could remove "mythic"

and instead of having: LFR, normal, heroic, mythic
you would end up with: LFR, NEW normal, NEW heroic.

New normal would become old heroic.
And new heroic would become old mythic.

Just as things used to be before adding 4th difficulty.

the point of adding the fourth difficulty was to have a set number difficulty. so instead of having 10 and 25 man normal/heroic they moved to flexible raiding and set 20 man mythic. much easier to make encounters based on 20 players than trying to balance both 10 and 25 encounters

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

It's fine as is. This way we get 4 armor colors :P

[Mysterymask]

Honestly I think the better solution is as follows

Merge Normal and LFR into 1 queable difficulty with the same ilevel of gear allow things like determination and luck of the draw buffs to remain if you do it as a premade group

Heroic stays the same but the ilvl from heroic is the cap of the season to no matter how much Mythic + you do you will never get above heroic raids ilvl

Mythic raids just drop more heroic gear and is VERY tightly tuned around that gear level and offers prestige cosmetics but the difficulty makes it hard to boost people.

Drops the demand for boosting with normal being queable, heroic being puggable, and Mythic being too hard to boost

Keeps ilvl inflation under control and keeps all the difficultys in place


Perfectly balanced as all should be

[arkanon]

LFR, Heroic, Mythic. Remove Normal.

LFR justifies the resources put into raid content, and that's that.

I knew a LOT of people who raided ONLY normal, and i still agree with this 100%. Im not saying they would or should do this, but, if they wanted to remove a difficulty, they should merge heroic/normal and have a decent curve where the first bosses are about the same as normal, and the second half ramps up to heroic difficulty.

My logic is based on 2 things - Nerfing Mythic just isnt an option, imo, and buffing LFR would be just as bad.