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  1. #181
    I'd say yes, it seems they've been going that way, especially this year where we're getting literally 1 patch for an entire year+. Before anyone jumps down my throat, yes we might get a 9.1.5 patch, but that's not a major content patch minor things at best.

    As for the FOMO, it does seem that way. Bringing back something temporary like the Mage Tower as well as the 6mo lock in subs full of goodies just screams "We're not longer about actual content, we're just about tokens that will keep you paying as long as possible."

    That's on us though as the players. If we don't like it, we need to quit and not just "I'm unsubbing for a few weeks" but for good. There ARE other good options out there now. We no longer need to play WoW to get those same feelings of satisfaction from this game. The only thing they've got left is the nostalgia factor which keeps people coming back because "I've already sunk so much time in this game" or "I grew up playing this game" Once we can get over that, we can look at it objectively and ask ourselves, "Is this a good game I would keep playing if I just started today?"

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    None of this is true, which you would know if you would play the game instead of allowing Bellular and his servants to tell you what you should think.

    None of the dailies have any influence on your power level, you can easily gear up by just doing M+ or Raid. You can spam them for the end of dungeon reward and once you are not getting upgrades there anymore you get them from the Vault. There is some gear in Korthia but it's low and can only be upgraded to a certain point. Trying to gear there is a waste of time unless your character is extremely undergeared.

    The only thing you need to do a bit of work for is Soul Cinders in Torghast, which is maybe 5 weeks of 1-2 hours each, then you can be done if you so choose.



    I don't believe you have played the expansion, if you and your friends really think this. It's simple horseshit. Neither Rep, Anima, Archivist stuff or anything else in the open world increase your power. Or at least the increase is very limited and very easily overtaken by doing dungeons and raids.



    Hmm. Most players are skilled enough to read and understand how the game systems works though. I am not sure you are.
    Ummm. What?

    I play the game, often, and it is 100% true. You literally state near the end of your stupid-ass statement, that part of the dailies or wow chores give player power, confirming what I stated. So are you being dumb on purpose to troll and be argumentative, or just stupid naturally?

    Korthia directly affects player power. Just like the Maw did prior to 9.1.

    Being able to buy 252 conduits with a currency earned there. Player power.
    Weekly Quest for Stygian Embers. Which requires you to do dailies. Player Power. Without them, you cannot upgrade your shards for raids.
    Korthia Gear, 200 base, up to 233. Player power.
    Torghast has to be done weekly, or if you're starting over, a few layers a day. Soul Ash and Cinders. Player Power.
    Tormenters that spawn in the Maw, give several currencies, can be done once a week. Player Power.
    Assaults in the Maw, twice a week. Player Power.
    World Quests, Daily gear drops. Player Power.


    You get the idea. So yes, absolutely, dailies are required to increase player power. Whether you're a hardcore raider or the person who logs in casually every other day. Dailies can and will increase your player power. And will do so faster, than not doing them. To say they don't is not only incorrect factually, but it's also just fucking stupid.

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    Thats not what fomo means. Fomo is about missing out on something that is specifically time limited in some way.
    Nah, FoMO can kick in even with things that aren't specifically limited. It's how hype works around big releases like phones, games, movies etc. Even though the thing will be around for a long time the anxiety is about the fact people are enjoying the thing right now so people don't want to wait.

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    Thats not what fomo means. Fomo is about missing out on something that is specifically time limited in some way.
    Huh? FOMO (fear of missing out) is when word of mouth is spreading so quick (through hype) that you feel that you were the only one to miss out. It's an investor term for when you feel something visceral in your body out of sheer greed. Usually is a bad thing because if you're investing with emotions then you're doing it wrong.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kjartan...-hype-as-a-vc/

    "Hype = FOMO

    A rise in FOMO also stems from the trend for startups to create as much ‘hype’ as possible, as a way to boost their value and speed up investment rounds."

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    If don't pay but use the token you are supporting a premium sub model since someone else is paying $20 a month for your token you buy with gold. That's actually worse than paying $13-15/month while complaining about their business practices. You are in the same vien as me, since it doesn't effect you(your pocketbook, it doesn't really matter).
    Cool. I do neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Nah, FoMO can kick in even with things that aren't specifically limited. It's how hype works around big releases like phones, games, movies etc. Even though the thing will be around for a long time the anxiety is about the fact people are enjoying the thing right now so people don't want to wait.
    When it comes to games and movies, the FOMO is not that you are missing the game or movie. The FOMO is that you are missing out on being a part of social interactions with other people related to those things, because the excitement around them in the culture is going to be temporary, as in it is going to be TIME LIMITED. People don't want to be left out of broader cultural conversations that fade and move on to the next thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavir View Post
    Huh? FOMO (fear of missing out) is when word of mouth is spreading so quick (through hype) that you feel that you were the only one to miss out. It's an investor term for when you feel something visceral in your body out of sheer greed. Usually is a bad thing because if you're investing with emotions then you're doing it wrong.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kjartan...-hype-as-a-vc/

    "Hype = FOMO

    A rise in FOMO also stems from the trend for startups to create as much ‘hype’ as possible, as a way to boost their value and speed up investment rounds."
    You proved my point. Startups generate hype around investment rounds because investment rounds are TIME LIMITED, exactly as I stated. The whole point of the hype around investments is that you are going to miss the opportunity to make money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cæli View Post
    they never tried to remove FOMO, they proposed to add back those pvp sets, one type of reward out of countless lol
    this isn't even something very mainstream due to the rating, something mainstream would be things like the shadowlands pre launch event, things they remove at the end of an expansion just because, and so on
    making rewards that were once fomo, no longer fomo, is literally removing fomo, especially since they have removed tons of fomo before, originally raid meta acheives were fomo, yet here we are.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Nah, FoMO can kick in even with things that aren't specifically limited. It's how hype works around big releases like phones, games, movies etc. Even though the thing will be around for a long time the anxiety is about the fact people are enjoying the thing right now so people don't want to wait.
    release fomo is just regular fomo because as you say yourself its not about the product. If you start 1-2 months later you miss out on playing on equal ground to everyone else. Which actually brings it rather close to regular fomo. Why do you fomo on stock market? Not because you cant buy a stock later, its cause you got fear on missing out the benefits you might get buying in now.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    But there is no predatory behavior with their design method? FOMO is literally a personal problem of having a "Fear Of Missing Out". Unless you'll call everything sold and now unavailable or limited on the market as predatory behavior?
    That's exactly what these people are saying. A supermarket selling watermelon during summer? That's predatory behaviour. A clothing store putting last seasons style on clearance? Predatory behaviour. A gaming company adding a new feature because they believe it is popular? Predatory behaviour.
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    why so mad bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    That's exactly what these people are saying. A supermarket selling watermelon during summer? That's predatory behaviour. A clothing store putting last seasons style on clearance? Predatory behaviour. A gaming company adding a new feature because they believe it is popular? Predatory behaviour.
    So, something that has been going on for decades without issue is now recently to be considered predatory behavior? When I think predatory behavior, then it is things where you are forced to purchase or acquire something or else you cannot get what you want (A little like the old programs we used to have, "Install, oh, but also install this taskbar tracker or else"). FOMO is a personal problem that needs to be treated at a personal level.

    Going for the companies does not stop the FOMO. We see it already with - yeah *sighs* Gambling. People needed a solution for Ludomania but running a casino is not illegal, so to make the business feel better, they put up posters (in some countries) with hotline help, and warnings in case you believe you have Ludomania. That is all it'll be from companies then if everything they do is going to be considered FOMO. You'll get a poster/banner warning you about variable products and dynamic business, and if you feel uncomfortable about these actions, you need to take contact on a special hotline or seek out counseling.
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  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Ummm. What?

    I play the game, often, and it is 100% true. You literally state near the end of your stupid-ass statement, that part of the dailies or wow chores give player power, confirming what I stated. So are you being dumb on purpose to troll and be argumentative, or just stupid naturally?

    Korthia directly affects player power. Just like the Maw did prior to 9.1.

    Being able to buy 252 conduits with a currency earned there. Player power.
    If you are really farming Archivist stuff just to upgrade Conduits you deserve the frustration. You get so little power for so much effort that it is so not worth it. I am running and timing 18 and 19 keys without fully upgraded conduits. The difference of a bit higher conduits is in the 0-1% margin. Nobody cares about it. Except maybe the top 10 guilds in the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Weekly Quest for Stygian Embers. Which requires you to do dailies. Player Power. Without them, you cannot upgrade your shards for raids.
    You get them from the raid. Every named rare there drops Embers. You get some extra from the weekly yes, but it is not mandatory as you claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Korthia Gear, 200 base, up to 233. Player power.
    200 gear is barely above leveling gear now, it only increases you ilvl if you are on a fresh char that was just leveled. And upgrading requires high levels of the Archivist rep. Which can easily take month.
    M+ and raiding will reward better gear much faster. In no way is getting these low items mandatory.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Torghast has to be done weekly, or if you're starting over, a few layers a day. Soul Ash and Cinders. Player Power.
    Yep, but you do that a few times and you are done, it's not a constantly repepetive task. Unless you want to craft all Legendaries, which is YOUR choice.

    And no, there is very little point of running more then the two wings each once per week. Since they award only extra soul ash (atm at least) repeated runs are pretty pointless. You can just do it weekly and you will have all the Soul Ash you need by the time you got enough Cinders.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Tormenters that spawn in the Maw, give several currencies, can be done once a week. Player Power.
    Don't even know what you mean with this. The area quest that gives you a bit of rep and stygia? Haven't done them in month and still constantly increasing my M+ ranking.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Assaults in the Maw, twice a week. Player Power.
    You get a bit of currencies, nothing you wouldn't get from other sources. Nothing mandatory again.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    World Quests, Daily gear drops. Player Power.
    I hope you are kidding. Korthia gear is already very low, but WQ gear does not even register. Maybe you do a few when you just dinged 60 to get some stuff. But you outscale this gear so fast it isn't even worth talking about. Even normal dungeons will reward better gear now.


    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    You get the idea. So yes, absolutely, dailies are required to increase player power. Whether you're a hardcore raider or the person who logs in casually every other day. Dailies can and will increase your player power. And will do so faster, than not doing them. To say they don't is not only incorrect factually, but it's also just fucking stupid.
    Well, as you see above none of the things you listed are really required, you are either missinformed or are missrepresenting the facts to suit your needs. I personally do some WQ now and then for Callings (for gold) and sure I do the weekly stuff, but dailies I do only for filling the bar of that damn Archivist. The last time anything in the open world has increased my player power was likely when 9.1. launched.

    Doing m+ regularly rewards me with all the player power I require, and raiding gave me the domination pieces. The rest is so inconsequential that it barely registers. If you let a difference of 0-1% force you to run hundreds of dailies then that is on you.

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    So, something that has been going on for decades without issue is now recently to be considered predatory behavior? When I think predatory behavior, then it is things where you are forced to purchase or acquire something or else you cannot get what you want (A little like the old programs we used to have, "Install, oh, but also install this taskbar tracker or else"). FOMO is a personal problem that needs to be treated at a personal level.

    Going for the companies does not stop the FOMO. We see it already with - yeah *sighs* Gambling. People needed a solution for Ludomania but running a casino is not illegal, so to make the business feel better, they put up posters (in some countries) with hotline help, and warnings in case you believe you have Ludomania. That is all it'll be from companies then if everything they do is going to be considered FOMO. You'll get a poster/banner warning you about variable products and dynamic business, and if you feel uncomfortable about these actions, you need to take contact on a special hotline or seek out counseling.
    Something that has been going on for millinia is considered predatory behaviour by these people. In the modern world there are laws to protect consumers from actual predatory behaviour. Blizzard has an army of lawyers to ensure they comply with the law in each country they do business in.

    FOMO is a psychological condition. Everyone has it to some degree. If you feel that Blizzard is triggering you in some way then it is up to you as the individual to seek treatment.
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    why so mad bro

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    making rewards that were once fomo, no longer fomo, is literally removing fomo, especially since they have removed tons of fomo before, originally raid meta acheives were fomo, yet here we are.
    removing fomo means removing this concept entirely from the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cæli View Post
    removing fomo means removing this concept entirely from the game
    and again, they tried, and the playerbase screamed, so they stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    and again, they tried, and the playerbase screamed, so they stopped.
    people who screamed != the whole playerbase

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