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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Looks like we'll have to use the dictionary definition, since you chose not to define it yourself. Agreed?

    I'm not one to paint "harm" with a wide brush, especially when it comes to speech.
    Most people can infact understand the harm speech can cause. But you American ancaps/libertarians have fun with your 700k+ covid deaths, the first country to be hit harder by covid than the spanish flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Most people can infact understand the harm speech can cause. But you American ancaps/libertarians have fun with your 700k+ covid deaths, the first country to be hit harder by covid than the spanish flu.
    I mean, you're trying to insult me, because I support the First Amendment.

    Okay, bro.
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    I hate personal freedom because people abuse it like a shiny new toy.

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    You know, people, while I loved your back and forth "arguing" for so many pages, in your place I would have asked a very different question:

    "Why is the USA and to an extension West so susceptible to Russian/Chinese troll farm propaganda and outright lies?"

    This is probably the most cost effective weapons both of them has and it shows.
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    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    You know, people, while I loved your back and forth "arguing" for so many pages, in your place I would have asked a very different question:

    "Why is the USA and to an extension West so susceptible to Russian/Chinese troll farm propaganda and outright lies?"

    This is probably the most cost effective weapons both of them has and it shows.
    why do people buy nike trainers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    why do people buy nike trainers?
    Ok, explain your analogy to me, please.
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    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    You know, people, while I loved your back and forth "arguing" for so many pages, in your place I would have asked a very different question:

    "Why is the USA and to an extension West so susceptible to Russian/Chinese troll farm propaganda and outright lies?"

    This is probably the most cost effective weapons both of them has and it shows.
    Its own far right causes far more damage lmao.


    700k deaths and counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    "Why is the USA and to an extension West so susceptible to Russian/Chinese troll farm propaganda and outright lies?"
    Freedom of Speech...and weaponized by the libertariat in the name of Libertopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I mean, you're trying to insult me, because I support the First Amendment.

    Okay, bro.
    Honestly, you should consider a communist sputtering about how you support free speech to be a badge of honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    You know, people, while I loved your back and forth "arguing" for so many pages, in your place I would have asked a very different question:

    "Why is the USA and to an extension West so susceptible to Russian/Chinese troll farm propaganda and outright lies?"
    A combination of being early adopters of social media which remains largely unregulated, combined with a public primed to imbibe all manner of nonsense thanks to decades of also largely unregulated programming by parties like Fox News (there's a strong correlation between countries where Newscorp has a significant presence and a rise in right wing extremism, see: New Zealand vs. the rest of the Anglosphere), as well as low to no emphasis on digital literacy (in the sense of being able to assess what claims and sources are valid and which are not).

    Speech is like alcohol. Banning it outright is bad, but a complete free-for-all is equally so as attested by the hundreds of thousands of deaths in this country in the past few years as well as the rapid erosion of what little democratic aspects it has.
    Last edited by Elegiac; 2021-09-25 at 04:59 PM.
    The Were/Was Army: "Nooo you can't just vaporize my entire armored division, we had such a manly recruitment ad!"
    The They/Them Army: "Omg integrated fire support?? Go off queen sksksks, JDAMs are such a gemini thing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Its own far right causes far more damage lmao.


    700k deaths and counting.
    I assume that by "own far right" you mean USA.
    First, 700k dead includes more than just "far right".
    Second - only far right? AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAA.... No, every "side" has fallen to trolling. Every. I said way ago in this thread - no finger pointing to republicans/trumpists/far rightists/whatever. It's a problem for the whole country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    A combination of being early adopters of social media which remains largely unregulated, combined with a public primed to imbibe all manner of nonsense thanks to decades of also largely unregulated programming by parties like Fox News (there's a strong correlation between countries where Newscorp has a significant presence and a rise in right wing extremism, see: New Zealand vs. the rest of the Anglosphere), as well as low to no emphasis on digital literacy (in the sense of being able to assess what claims and sources are valid and which are not).

    Speech is like alcohol. Banning it outright is bad, but a complete free-for-all is equally so as attested by the hundreds of thousands of deaths in this country in the past few years as well as the rapid erosion of what little democratic aspects it has.
    This is by far the best and most argumented answer you have given so far on this forum.
    *looks at the other 3 posters writing something sensless*

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Freedom of Speech...and weaponized by the libertariat in the name of Libertopia.
    How about without slogans, eh?
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    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    I assume that by "own far right" you mean USA.
    First, 700k dead includes more than just "far right".
    Second - only far right? AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAA.... No, every "side" has fallen to trolling. Every. I said way ago in this thread - no finger pointing to republicans/trumpists/far rightists/whatever. It's a problem for the whole country.





    The far right in the US has not fallen to any trolling, they do it to themselves. Referring to dangerous far right ideas as just 'trolling' is massively downplaying it.
    And yeah, the whole anti-lockdown and anti-vax shit from the hard/far right is by far causing the most damage at the moment in the US. Russia having a big effect on US politics only happens in its wet dreams, back in the era of the USSR.

    What else from any group even comes close when it comes to national-US politics?[Just because the foreign policy shit is a whole other topic]





    This is by far the best and most argumented answer you have given so far on this forum.
    *looks at the other 3 posters writing something sensless*
    Somebody is a bit salty over nothing. But its truly horrifying most people are not willing to respond with whole paragraphs to like 1 or 2 lines of text. I feel you.
    Last edited by JohnBrown1917; 2021-09-25 at 11:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    The far right in the US has not fallen to any trolling, they do it to themselves. Referring to dangerous far right ideas as just 'trolling' is massively downplaying it.
    And yeah, the whole anti-lockdown and anti-vax shit from the hard/far right is by far causing the most damage at the moment in the US. Russia having a big effect on US politics only happens in its wet dreams, back in the era of the USSR.

    What else from any group even comes close when it comes to national-US politics?[Just because the foreign policy shit is a whole other topic]

    Somebody is a bit salty over nothing. But its truly horrifying most people are not willing to respond with whole paragraphs to like 1 or 2 lines of text. I feel you.
    Sure, Russia is incapable, yet the 2016 elections happened the way they did and the intelligence agencies were pretty clear that there was a massive campaign ongoing from Moscow. I guess the million strong troll army of China also can't do shit.
    Lol...
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

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