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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    No do you see. You only have to change the algorithm. Doesn't matter how it works currently once you change it, it will fix everything.
    This reminds me of when I watch a random television show, and they try to film anything technical... and it makes me cringe.

    The script is just so damn bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    People should be able to freely access misinformation about covid19 no matter how many people it inadvertently kills! /s
    Would you prefer the government stomp on First Amendment rights, like the others are suggesting?

    Or, are you more supportive of the idea of simply not supporting any sites that platform such lies?
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
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    I hate personal freedom because people abuse it like a shiny new toy.

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    ANTI-VAXX FOR LIFE! because my Facebook feed told me so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    ANTI-VAXX FOR LIFE! because my Facebook feed told me so.
    Don't blame others for what you choose to believe.

    Or, just stop using Facebook, and stop being friends with ignorant anti-vaxxers. Seems like an easy solution.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    I hate personal freedom because people abuse it like a shiny new toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    People should be able to freely access misinformation about covid19 no matter how many people it inadvertently kills! /s
    People should be nannied around by Big Brother because they are clearly incapable of acting rationally on their own. Darn, they are so dim-witted they even need an /s to indicate an attempt at humour
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    People should be nannied around by Big Brother because they are clearly incapable of acting rationally on their own.
    I mean...the past decade or so has been a fantastic example of the bolded because like...yeah, a disturbingly large number of people are very much the target audience for warning labels on bottles of bleach and instructions on boxes for bars of soap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Vegas82 smells like poo to me.


    Which law did I just break?
    Good ole moderation at it finest... lmfao....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I mean...the past decade or so has been a fantastic example of the bolded because like...yeah, a disturbingly large number of people are very much the target audience for warning labels on bottles of bleach and instructions on boxes for bars of soap.
    I wouldn't even ask you for what the proposed counter-measures would be, I just cant help but be amazed at you people doing incredible mental gymnastics to tell you would prefer authoritarianism without telling so
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  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Cause that is what OP made it about. It's about Troll farms being able to push lies and deceit.

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    So all lies are libel? Are you sure about that? Isn't libel also VERY VERY hard to prove in court which is why you hardly ever hear about it being sued for?


    Not to mention libel is mostly civil not criminal.
    Never said that. You said lying isn’t illegal. My counter is libel/slander. Thanks for playing. Care to move on to the rest of what’s at issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Never said that. You said lying isn’t illegal. My counter is libel/slander. Thanks for playing. Care to move on to the rest of what’s at issue?
    So was my statement(lie) "Vegas82 smells like poo to me." illegal?




    go ahead mods infract me again. You wouldn't know trolling if it was right in your face.
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  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    I wouldn't even ask you for what the proposed counter-measures would be, I just cant help but be amazed at you people doing incredible mental gymnastics to tell you would prefer autocracy without telling so
    I mean, when you appear to know what my "proposed counter-measures" would be before I even make a post about it, why not just straight up tell me?

    You're clearly inside my head, so have at it, bro.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    So was my statement(lie) "Vegas82 smells like poo to me." illegal?




    go ahead mods infract me again. You wouldn't know trolling if it was right in your face.
    No, see that’s a subjective statement. I get you don’t understand, but you keep fixating on one tiny detail… while being wrong about it. So have fun smelling poop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    No, see that’s a subjective statement. I get you don’t understand, but you keep fixating on one tiny detail… while being wrong about it. So have fun smelling poop.
    Ah so the lie wasn't illegal? Gotcha. Can't be subjective as I have never smelled you so I would have no idea what you really smell like. It's a straight up not illegal lie
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  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    People should be nannied around by Big Brother because they are clearly incapable of acting rationally on their own.
    The more the gop, rightwing, and libertarians such misinformation kills off, big bro may actually finally exist beyond the fevered imagination of Russian apologists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    And... we've seen what happens when totalitarian and authoritarian regimes take control of things like social media. And... I fucking enjoy the First Amendment.

    And I fucking enjoy people being free to speak their minds, and having access to information... and not just the information the government deems appropriate.

    I'm not asking the wrong question, because he literally called to nationalize all companies (I assume all social media). This isn't even a hypothetical, because it's literally his argument. The "good guys" aren't always going to be in charge.

    This is giving more power and authority to those ethno-natioalists.

    And... why do you want to give them more power?
    The Machismo Tactic, in a nutshell.

    Move goalposts; instead of defending your position on nationalizing companies, make vague comments about authoritarian regimes, even when that has nothing to do with nationalizing social media.

    Pretend it's about people's freedoms, when you very much pick which freedoms you deem important (here, in particular, you support the freedom of people to lie and misinform for personal/political gain, rather than the right to honest reporting of the facts).

    Project your own foibles onto the opponent; claiming that nationalizing social media would give power to ethno-nationalists when it's the status quo that is, obviously and objectively, doing so, and nationalizing it would take that away.

    Nesting-doll, recursive dishonesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Ah so the lie wasn't illegal? Gotcha. Can't be subjective as I have never smelled you so I would have no idea what you really smell like. It's a straight up not illegal lie
    The key point is that you added "to me", which makes it a subjective statement about personal opinion, and any libel/slander case would have to make an argument that you somehow don't perceive that odor, and there's no way they can get evidence of that unless you're dumb enough to straight-up admit to lying.

    If you had said "So-and-so smells like poo", that could be actionable, because you've removed that "to me" bit. Now you've made a claim of objective fact, not a subjective claim. That changes things.


  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The Machismo Tactic, in a nutshell.

    Move goalposts; instead of defending your position on nationalizing companies, make vague comments about authoritarian regimes, even when that has nothing to do with nationalizing social media.

    Pretend it's about people's freedoms, when you very much pick which freedoms you deem important (here, in particular, you support the freedom of people to lie and misinform for personal/political gain, rather than the right to honest reporting of the facts).

    Project your own foibles onto the opponent; claiming that nationalizing social media would give power to ethno-nationalists when it's the status quo that is, obviously and objectively, doing so, and nationalizing it would take that away.

    Nesting-doll, recursive dishonesty.
    Lets not forget when he tried saying that letting the elderly and disabled suffer and die is a small price to pay to keep from forcing those who aren't paying into social security to actually start paying into it.

    Or when he tried to say it was worth endangering children to avoid shopping at Walmart otherwise you are endorsing their practices.

    Wonder how many pages he will get this time, he got multiple pages on multiple threads before they did anything and all they did was a baby slap on the wrist.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
    "mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The Machismo Tactic, in a nutshell.

    Move goalposts; instead of defending your position on nationalizing companies, make vague comments about authoritarian regimes, even when that has nothing to do with nationalizing social media.

    Pretend it's about people's freedoms, when you very much pick which freedoms you deem important (here, in particular, you support the freedom of people to lie and misinform for personal/political gain, rather than the right to honest reporting of the facts).

    Project your own foibles onto the opponent; claiming that nationalizing social media would give power to ethno-nationalists when it's the status quo that is, obviously and objectively, doing so, and nationalizing it would take that away.

    Nesting-doll, recursive dishonesty.

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    The key point is that you added "to me", which makes it a subjective statement about personal opinion, and any libel/slander case would have to make an argument that you somehow don't perceive that odor, and there's no way they can get evidence of that unless you're dumb enough to straight-up admit to lying.

    If you had said "So-and-so smells like poo", that could be actionable, because you've removed that "to me" bit. Now you've made a claim of objective fact, not a subjective claim. That changes things.
    I didn't need to move goalposts, I laid it out quite succinctly and directly. I defended it, used examples, and cited exactly why I oppose the government nationalizing social media companies.

    I support freedom of speech, I don't much give a damn if you want to oppose me on that. By all means, stake that flag in that hill.

    The last time I checked, ethno-nationalists were in power until January of this year. So, not wanting to give them even more power... is a relevant concern. You are choosing to take the side against free speech, and in favor of giving them more power. That may be the dumbest hill I've ever seen you die on.

    SO, let's make sure there's no confusion. Do you want the government to nationalize all social media sites, including this one? I'd hate to lump you in with them, I'd rather you do it yourself. If you don't answer, I'll take that as an affirmative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Lets not forget when he tried saying that letting the elderly and disabled suffer and die is a small price to pay to keep from forcing those who aren't paying into social security to actually start paying into it.

    Or when he tried to say it was worth endangering children to avoid shopping at Walmart otherwise you are endorsing their practices.

    Wonder how many pages he will get this time, he got multiple pages on multiple threads before they did anything and all they did was a baby slap on the wrist.
    This is simply a lie on your part. According to many, the government should punish you for that. Now, I don't believe it should be, but those who seek to nationalize sites like this... they most certainly do. Do you agree with them, that the government should nationalize all social media sites?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
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    I hate personal freedom because people abuse it like a shiny new toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The key point is that you added "to me", which makes it a subjective statement about personal opinion, and any libel/slander case would have to make an argument that you somehow don't perceive that odor, and there's no way they can get evidence of that unless you're dumb enough to straight-up admit to lying.

    If you had said "So-and-so smells like poo", that could be actionable, because you've removed that "to me" bit. Now you've made a claim of objective fact, not a subjective claim. That changes things.
    Even with the "to me" part it's still a lie. I've never smelled him. Just because I word it in a way to get around libel/slander doesn't change if it is a lie or not.
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  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Ah so the lie wasn't illegal? Gotcha. Can't be subjective as I have never smelled you so I would have no idea what you really smell like. It's a straight up not illegal lie
    Which doesn’t mean what’s happening isn’t illegal. Glad you’re done smelling poop and ready to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Even with the "to me" part it's still a lie. I've never smelled him. Just because I word it in a way to get around libel/slander doesn't change if it is a lie or not.
    Nor does it mean that murder is legal just because you killed someone in self defense. Ready to drop the false equivalence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Nor does it mean that murder is legal just because you killed someone in self defense. Ready to drop the false equivalence?
    Wouldn't be murder if it was self defense would it.... lmfao... Do you not know what murder is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I didn't need to move goalposts, I laid it out quite succinctly and directly. I defended it, used examples, and cited exactly why I oppose the government nationalizing social media companies.
    No. You didn't.

    You moved the goalposts to authoritarian governments being "bad".

    That has nothing to do with the nationalisation of certain companies.

    I support freedom of speech, I don't much give a damn if you want to oppose me on that. By all means, stake that flag in that hill.
    Nobody's opposing freedom of speech, here. This is you trying to invent a character attack. Another tactic you use repeatedly when challenged, rather than actually defending your claims.

    SO, let's make sure there's no confusion. Do you want the government to nationalize all social media sites, including this one? I'd hate to lump you in with them, I'd rather you do it yourself. If you don't answer, I'll take that as an affirmative.
    This is deflection, trying to make me answer leading questions. I never actually took a position in either direction.

    That I don't support it myself is not relevant, since we weren't discussing my position, we were discussing how meritless your arguments against it were.

    Again, recursive dishonesty on display. You refuse to answer simple questions, and dodge every point with chicanery like this.


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