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  1. #101
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    It's the equivalent of 'running down mid' or afk-honor-farming in bgs. It's good they're finally doing something about, it's a pervasive problem that's ruined the bg pug scene.
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  2. #102
    I read these things and think they a probably pretty good thoughts..

    But..

    How do they actually enforce them is more the problem. Has always been the problem. The company pretty much staffs no where near the number needed to make a meaningful difference so usually you only get ban cycles every quarter to half a year. A lot of damage is done over that time repeatedly and I am sure profits by those that abuse it are only minorly set back as they have farm mills that just re-setup everything almost instantly once certain accounts get banned. Resources are diversified around to clean accounts though AH transfers and sell runs and so on to wash it clean. It is why bot ban waves have always been fairly ineffective in the past.

    Toxicity is probably something that a Blizzard report bot can actually identify very easily unless someone is using certain trigger words. So it probably will take a person to actually look at it currently. I just don't see that happening at a company that worries more about who they can let go constantly then who they can hire. So it will probably go on report numbers and so on. Which in turn is abused and turned toxic. So that will also have to be policed or that just becomes the new toxic.

    So..

    What I see here is a gesture. A company that has had its moral code brought into question (rightfully so) now is trying to rewrite that code with symbolic gestures. I might be wrong but I just really don't think so. If I see more than text being changed I might change my mind on this. I have my doubts though.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by caninepawprints View Post
    So, anyone with internet issues beware. You can be banned now for your internet dropping.
    yeah. the other day I was doing an m+ and was nagging my teammates for not decursing (3 out of 5 had curse removal, none used it), and just before one pull my computer crashed. Took me 3 minutes to get back in the game (some update was pending), and the group had already disbanded - we were well within the timer, but they likely thought I had rage quit. I can only imagine what some overzealous GM would do by looking at the sequence of events (chat + disconnect).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfbe View Post
    yeah. the other day I was doing an m+ and was nagging my teammates for not decursing (3 out of 5 had curse removal, none used it), and just before one pull my computer crashed. Took me 3 minutes to get back in the game (some update was pending), and the group had already disbanded - we were well within the timer, but they likely thought I had rage quit. I can only imagine what some overzealous GM would do by looking at the sequence of events (chat + disconnect).
    Provided someone reported you - but with how quick they disbanded I'd wager it'd fall into the DC's-happen-bin as you were relatively quick back online and no clear intent was shown. With no decurses they clearly weren't that invested in the run either.
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  5. #105
    I mean most of this isn't new. About the disconnecting part, they'll probably only look at problematic cases, but don't expect this to be really enforced since it's not legal for them to monitor any kind of internet activity of their users in the EU even if their users agree to it via an updated EULA.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by pfbe View Post
    yeah. the other day I was doing an m+ and was nagging my teammates for not decursing (3 out of 5 had curse removal, none used it), and just before one pull my computer crashed. Took me 3 minutes to get back in the game (some update was pending), and the group had already disbanded - we were well within the timer, but they likely thought I had rage quit. I can only imagine what some overzealous GM would do by looking at the sequence of events (chat + disconnect).
    One could also argue that not decursing falls under the new category of purposely undermining the efforts of the group, so I think you'd be okay with your temporary disconnect - especially since you were back online in three minutes, which indicates it wasn't purposeful. People who disconnect on purpose don't log back on in such a short amount of time.
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  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Empower View Post

    I just wanna go back to the internet that had a minuscule barrier of entry before smartphones brought the plebs in on mass.

    I long to return to a home that no longer exists and laws have been drafted to ensure it can't...
    Its still there but the behaviour you show yourself is why its dying - you clearly didn't make the effort to jump hurdles to find old style sites or you wouldnt claim its gone. This is the primary reason the old places are dying and centralization marches on- most arent willing to make the effort and hunt down new sites so the old sites lose members and finally close as the majority circles around ~5 sites.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by mbit View Post
    Its still there but the behaviour you show yourself is why its dying - you clearly didn't make the effort to jump hurdles to find old style sites or you wouldnt claim its gone. This is the primary reason the old places are dying and centralization marches on- most arent willing to make the effort and hunt down new sites so the old sites lose members and finally close as the majority circles around ~5 sites.
    I can see how someone that out of the loop can believe that. The old ways are quarantined off and exist in the fringes because they simply can't function anymore. Even with a demand banks refuse to do business with them. It's this blanket stance of arrogance and ignorance that annoys me more then puritans to be honest.

    Still best it end here less it becomes political. That or we will head down the build your own internet, bank, and run your own country counter "arguement"

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    What if a player is under-performing in a raid, and the raid leader links the dps meter and says "look mate, your dead last on every attempt and well below whats required here, im replacing you" and said player gets offended and considers the raid-leader to be an asshole and reports them for being toxic. What should happen here? I dont consider that being an asshole, but what if the person being kicked does?
    Exactly, and that's why incredibly vague wording such as that in the new EULA can potentially open a huge can of worms, to the point that the best (existing) players can hope for is that this changes in the EULA remain purely cosmetic.
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  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Exactly, and that's why incredibly vague wording such as that in the new EULA can potentially open a huge can of worms, to the point that the best (existing) players can hope for is that this changes in the EULA remain purely cosmetic.
    That or players could just silently kick players suddenly then report them when they swear at the leader...

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  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Exactly, and that's why incredibly vague wording such as that in the new EULA can potentially open a huge can of worms, to the point that the best (existing) players can hope for is that this changes in the EULA remain purely cosmetic.
    The bottom line, though, is that Blizzard owns the platform, and free speech inside it is whatever they decide to say it is. This isn't politics, just games, so it's not going to be tightly regulated or otherwise messed with.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by pfbe View Post
    yeah. the other day I was doing an m+ and was nagging my teammates for not decursing (3 out of 5 had curse removal, none used it), and just before one pull my computer crashed. Took me 3 minutes to get back in the game (some update was pending), and the group had already disbanded - we were well within the timer, but they likely thought I had rage quit. I can only imagine what some overzealous GM would do by looking at the sequence of events (chat + disconnect).
    If you weren't an asshole in chat you shouldn't have too much to worry about. The issue isn't criticizing others, it's controlling how you talk to them.
    As long as you're calm and collected it's mostly good.

    It's the people who see it as their God given right to verbally assault others that have things to worry about.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Echocho View Post
    Then why did it happen less before m+?
    We didn't have this much toxicity in dungeons in Vanilla, TBC or even WOD
    we didnt because there were no timers then

    if people sucked but wanted to finish it in 3 hours back in cata hc they could spend there 3 hours.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    we didnt because there were no timers then

    if people sucked but wanted to finish it in 3 hours back in cata hc they could spend there 3 hours.
    That's my point. M+ is inherently toxic simply because of the timer. There's a real possibility of having your time completely wasted and that's one of the few things all humans can agree on as a bad thing.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by caninepawprints View Post
    One could also argue that not decursing falls under the new category of purposely undermining the efforts of the group, so I think you'd be okay with your temporary disconnect - especially since you were back online in three minutes, which indicates it wasn't purposeful. People who disconnect on purpose don't log back on in such a short amount of time.
    I would also imagine they would be able to tell the difference between someone being disconnected and someone purposefully logging out.
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  16. #116
    ITT: A lot of toxic dudes worried that their next in-game tempter-tantrum might be their last.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by luciano View Post
    ITT: A lot of toxic dudes worried that their next in-game tempter-tantrum might be their last.
    There's a very easy way to avoid that, by not having temper tantrums.
    Assuming you're not a toddler you should've learnt how to behave around others.
    If you haven't learnt it's a good thing that you get banned, you need to learn sooner or later.

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by luciano View Post
    ITT: A lot of toxic dudes worried that their next in-game tempter-tantrum might be their last.
    Ah yes, the tried and tested argument of "if you dont agree with me, you are toxic and part of the problem". Sounds very familiar for some reason.....

    Heres some info for you - its possible to discuss something, and have an opinion for or against something, without automatically being part of the "problem". I didn’t touch weed for well over a decade, and yet any time the topic came up I was aggressively 'for' legalisation or at the very least decriminalisation of weed.

    I know plenty of people who feel the same and have smoked it maybe once in their life, if at all. Just like in this scenario, I have had 2 infractions for naming violations during Mop, otherwise clean account, and I still think its worth discussing concerns regarding changes to the systems used to infract / ban players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xorzor View Post
    PR stunts galore. WoW isn't even worth botting anymore, let alone playing legitimately.
    That's totally why we still have chinese gold sellers.

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    It seems they have made WPVP against the rules?
    General WPVP no but looks like camping is now illegal or allowing the other faction to camp someone else and you either stand there or leave them to it? That part is confusing.

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