Terrible reward structure everywhere, failed professions, useless and unrewarding reputations, a main feature that everyone loved in the beginning which was then changed to absurdity (Torghast) and yes, the story and the setting in general. Oh my god.
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I want to point out that despite all it's faults, the SL raids were much, much stronger than BfA until now. Uldir was not bad, but also not really awesome and very short. Dazar'Alor was IMO the worst raid we ever had while Nyalotah was completely broken because of corruption and while the bosses were not bar, they were also very underwhelming.
I don't want skip anything. I like long patches. Release 9.2 in summer 2022, release 9.3 in 2024, release 10.0 in 2026. I'm all for it.
Yes, no one cares for their wish Thanos storyline and SL as a whole isn't great. Most dungeons are bad, the zones are meh, there is no lore we will carry out of here. The QOL changes are cool for people still hanging on to the scraps but it's been time to move on from SL, time to move on from borrowed power systems, time to move on from this terrible M+ dungeon design, etc...
Should they? Hell no. It's not going to get 10.0 out faster, we're past the point where they can be like "oh, yeah, expansion announcement and beta in 2021 yet." It just means a longer drought of nothingness, we learned that lesson from WoD.
Will they? Shrug.
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Not sure if this means deleting what was planned (like WoD https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...rds-of-Draenor) or kinda folding 9.3 and 9.2 together into one large end patch.
If not, we're looking at an expansion release in Q2/Q3 2023. Everybody should ask themselves if they really want to play Shadowlands for almost two more years.
Having a 9.3 in late 2022 and 10.0 only mid 2023, WoW will be a dead game. It already is nearing that point with how bad Shadowlands and especially 9.1 has been received.
By the way: it's not unlikely that they never considered 9.3 after Corona hit and 9.2 or 9.2.5 were always planned as the final patch for this expansion.
Last edited by Nyel; 2021-09-20 at 06:10 PM.
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what do you smoke man?
lets just for fun say they will keep the timeline they had "lately (lol, one patch is trend now obviously), 9.1 came out at 7months and few days (which compared to the lenght of usual raid patch which is 5-6 months is sooooo teribly late...)
lets say there will be both 9.2 and 9.3 before 10.0 and that each of those patches will also take 7m to release
from 9.1 release (1.7.2021 for simplicity) that will take us 21 months, which will take us to 1.4.2023 for expansion release... how the fuck is mid 2023 "far too optimistic", it seems far too pesimistic, most "optimistic" timeframe is 6m for 9.2 release, no 9.3 and another 6m for next expansion, so 1.7.2022 could be considered earliest and hence "far too optimistic", anything in 2023 seems quite pesimistic...
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the "large metric" that you dont have any clue about bcs we dont have sub numbers since WOD?
i mean i dont think its in some record hight, but claiming its on WOD numbers based on NOTHING (maybe based on guesswork done by some youtubers) is at least dishonesty or outright lie...
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is ANY of that "rhetoric and trending" done by blizzard employee or all by forum-goers and/or "influencers"?
bcs if its the later its about as meaningful as people claiming naga or emerald dream or tinkers are gonna be in next expansion since vanila...
I don't think it's a question of should they skip 9.3, it's whether it was ever going to happen in the first place.
Conspiracy shit sucks and you would never truly know, but from where I'm sitting 9.3 just doesn't look like it was in the cards from how content has rolled out. Blizzard likes to have 2 years between expansions historically, and we are fast approaching the one year anniversary of Shadowlands in what, November? If I had to guess 9.1.5 will be out in mid November or late October at the earliest.
It's obvious where the story goes in 9.2, but unless they drag out the plotline (which they can obviously do), 9.2 just seems like the "end" of Shadowlands from a story perspective. One would assume that 9.2 probably comes up in what, February or March at the latest, and given that most tiers last historically 6 months, that doesn't really leave much time for 9.3 to even happen, unless 9.3 is a big story driven patch to lead into 10.0 (which Blizzard has never done before). My guess is 9.2 is the last patch and like pretty much every final patch ever in the history of WoW, it will last 9-12 months which basically puts us on the 2 year trajectory to 10.0.
I just don't think there's time for 9.3 given the current timeline or it was just never planned to begin with. Perhaps they were so far behind that they merged 9.2 and 9.1 elements together to create the 9.1 that we currently have because they were crunched on time, which is a very possible explanation. WoD was a bit more obvious because there were clear areas in the game that just weren't ever used.
Launch of the next expansion in Q1/23 makes only sense when they skip 9.3 (and maybe add another 9.2.5 to not make the drought +12 months again).
Do the math:
January / February 2022: 9.2
6 months
July / August 2022: 9.3
10 months
May / June 2023: 10.0
10.0 in Q1 and getting 9.3 makes no sense, it would go against every timing they previously had in the last expansions by massively shortening the drought.
Right now we're looking of at least 16 months plus the amount of time until 9.2 hits, so yes, with 9.3 (if it adds a raid tier), we're looking at a 10.0 launch mid 2023.
Last edited by Nyel; 2021-09-20 at 06:30 PM.
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Well since it takes them 8 months to deliver a major patch for Shadowlands, it has been 3 months since last major patch and a normal expansion will take 10 to 12 months from the last major patch, I'd say we are 8-3+8+12=25 months away from 10.0
Remove 9.3 and we are only 17 months away from 10.0!
Almost October and we don't have a word on 9.2. Shadowlands will be one year old with only either X.1 or a X.1.5 patch. Pretty embarasing. When BFA was 1, the last patch was coming in that January and the 8.2.5 release was coming the following month of BFA's birthday.
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are people so determined to lie or just can count?! it took 7months (and 6days) to release patch in SL... compared to "normal" lenght of raid patch which was pretty much anywhere around 5-6 months... and other than Nazjatar (which was i think biggest patch ever) i cant think of single patch having raid and megadungeon and zone (smaller for sure, but with rift and rework to maw...)
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Oh, I can easily tell you why. Here, take a look.
Patch 9.0 Release Date: November 2020
Patch 9.0.5 Release Date: March 9th 2021
Patch 9.1 Release Date: June 29th
Patch 9.1.5 Release Date: November 9th
That's almost five months between a .5 and a .0 patch. But, since I'm not a total pessimist, let's give them a little leeway and shave that down a bit for future patches. I think we're looking at another four months after November to get 9.2 sometime in March 2022, then at least four months for 9.2.5 in July, another four months for 9.3 in November, and then 10.0 early in 2023.
EDIT: Also you're right, I made a typo. 2023 is the most likely date, I just think it'll be the start of 2023.
EDIT2: I basically skipped a year. I've got the dates right now.
EDIT3: Actually, come to think of it, this is EXTREMELY unlikely. We've never had the end of an expansion patch and then a release four months later. I'm gonna say MIDDLE of 2023.
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They should but im not sure. Becasue of all dealys provided by pandemia and lawsuit. Imo this exp will be longest exp ever in wow history. Maybe we will see 9.2 on January and 9.3 mid summer. Next expansion second Q of 2023. Or 9.2 early 2022 and next exp autumn 2022
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No, the shadowlands is an amazing concept.
If you want to go back to Azeroth play the other 8 expansions lmao
What? We never ever had a final expansion patch last only 6 months. The shortest was between Legion and BfA with the final tier only lasting for 9 months and that's only when we count the Antorus launch end of November 2017. 7.3 was released end of August 2017, so the patch lasted for almost an entire year until BfA's mid August '18 launch.
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