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  1. #241
    Who really cares which is the 'king'? Having both games exist and do well is what everyone should be hoping for, as they can compete and hopefully learn lessons from each other (much like FF learned some things from WoW back in the day).

    One of the main reasons WoW is declining doesn't have anything to do with FF, but that the game and development has completely lost its way. As someone said earlier, what WoW did to gain insane popularity levels over a decade ago was that it was the first MMO designed for the masses, where the MMO's before it catered more towards more hardcore players. Currently, WoW design focuses way too much on the more hardcore players versus making a game for the masses, all while not borrowing or learning from other games anymore.

    If you want to give WoW the king title in the first couple of expansions, that's fine. However, I would also say that it has tossed away its crown and the throne remains empty, as it is no longer the king it once was. Doesn't mean anyone has to sit on the throne, it just means that no one can actually claim the throne. At this point, WoW is a petty politician at best, where they think they're ultimately superior to those it rules over, and that any complaints with their ideas is someone else's fault while gaslighting their population about the state of things. This politician refuses to learn any real lessons, as doing such things is beneath them, and they'll give their population crumbs to assuage their outrage as they know most of them will forget when distracted long enough. I could keep making analogies as to how they behave and tend to treat their staff, but I think the analogy is good enough as is.

    Simply put, I don't care if there is a king nor who it is; independent of all of this king talk, WoW has some serious issues that it needs to fix, and it's still on the path of being its own worst enemy... and as long as people don't keep holding their feet to the fire or get bought off or forget, they'll never rise again.
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  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post
    This is a bit weird atm..... up to September 2021 changing as we go...

    WoW active player count from one site: 2.2m
    FFXIV's from same people 2.7m


    The daily chart is pretty interesting. I don't know how accurate they are yet but at this point I think
    Can we take a moment to appreciate the summary that says WoW has 116m subscribers but no daily players.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Yeah no...


    First it was server transfers. Then faction transfers. Then the store. Then the sparkle pony. Reepeat ad-nauseam.

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    I've seen it come from GTAV roleplayers. and Amigops(?) Sykunno, Valkyrea, and so on. Mostly in the form of saying "huffing copium"
    I mean there is a confusion here with "people doomsaying" and an actual provable "exodus" that happened.

    These are not the same.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopsnacker View Post
    It is so easy to get somewhat real numbers.
    Yeah it really isn't. If it was so easy we'd have accurate numbers on who is playing what. Fact is we do not know the number of subs for WoW or FF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Can we take a moment to appreciate the summary that says WoW has 116m subscribers but no daily players.
    That website's information cannot be disputed. They have a lot of data backing up their numbe....hahahah I can't even finish that sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    I mean there is a confusion here with "people doomsaying" and an actual provable "exodus" that happened.

    These are not the same.
    Prove there was an exodus. How many people left?
    You. Don't. Know.

  5. #245
    People saying FFXIV beat WoW are the same that say Bieber as beaten the Beatles. Only the preteen fan think it's true.
    MMO-Champion, once the place to get WoW News, now the home of the haters and their clickbait and doomsaying threads

  6. #246
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    I mean there is a confusion here with "people doomsaying" and an actual provable "exodus" that happened.

    These are not the same.
    Ah... yes and we haven't heard this same exact counter before with all the other times
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  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    Let us compare how big WoW is in size, how much content there is how divided the player base is, how many servers does FF and how many World of Warcraft?
    There is a reason WoW hold records and still hold those today. It basically created the MMORPG genre and it will take it with it.

    In-game experience, as i said before. that is impossible to decide.

    My server alone has standard nearly 100 people in goldshire, now i imagine 90% server swap into eachother, i bet if we didnt had phasing then each city hub or town hub will have easily over 1000 people there. (Can FF pull that off?)

    Even if we base info off websites that have no clue at all if their stats are true, we still see that FF has like 2.2M active players and WoW is at 3.5M (Even though WoW is at its worst ever... still 1Mill far ahead of FF)

    Shows you who the real king is.
    Wow merges every server in shards. FF only does in instances with servers from the same data center (think battlegroup). It is possible to visit other servers in the same data center.

    Maybe i should note that when i say 50 it's just the ones i see in one given point. Of course it depends on where i am, but FF cities are very large. So, yes, there are way more than 100 people in the big cities in each given server. Probably more. Also that many on the gold saucer and Bozja/zednos. Heck even dozens of people just hanging out in the Gangos hub. These are basically the end game zone.

    When you offer numbers, you have to offer the source. Guess i will go look.

    So, mmo population tells a different story.
    https://mmo-population.com/activity

    FFXIV 2.8m
    Wow retail 1.1m
    WoW classic 730k

    This for active players. Maybe you have a different source for your numbers? That is what i'm seeing.

    Honestly, that makes sense with what i see in the games when playing them. But, there are no official numbers. Probably never will.
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  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    I mean there is a confusion here with "people doomsaying" and an actual provable "exodus" that happened.

    These are not the same.
    well im sure you have numbers as to how many people left wow, since its "provable" according to you...
    or is your proof "someone said so and i agree so its true" kind of thing?

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    So, mmo population tells a different story.
    https://mmo-population.com/activity

    FFXIV 2.8m
    Wow retail 1.1m
    WoW classic 730k

    This for active players. Maybe you have a different source for your numbers. That is what i'm seeing.

    Honestly, that makes sense with what i see in the games when playing them. But, there are no officual numbers.
    From your own provided source: "Of course the data is not extremely accurate, or in many cases, accurate at all. There is no way of really getting MMO subscriber numbers today. If you need accurate numbers you will have to look for publicly released data, use steam users, or whatever method is available."

    Your source is complete bullshit. But hey, keep linking it because I know we're getting a laugh here. If you think FF is 1 mil subs above WoW you are crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    well im sure you have numbers as to how many people left wow, since its "provable" according to you...
    or is your proof "someone said so and i agree so its true" kind of thing?
    Nah their proof is a website that flat out tells you they are not accurate. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Ah... yes and we haven't heard this same exact counter before with all the other times
    Wow is dying okay!? Mass player exodus, you saw it happen in Cata right? In MoP? Umm Legion! No maybe it was BFA! Must be Shadowlands! Damn is that game not dead yet??

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Nah their proof is a website that flat out tells you they are not accurate. LOL
    one would think that webpage that shows 13k active players for Wildstar, game that is LITERALY dead as realms are turned off, would not be considered proof... but its really amazing what people are wiling to consider to be true if it supports their biased point of view...

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    From your own provided source: "Of course the data is not extremely accurate, or in many cases, accurate at all. There is no way of really getting MMO subscriber numbers today. If you need accurate numbers you will have to look for publicly released data, use steam users, or whatever method is available."

    Your source is complete bullshit. But hey, keep linking it because I know we're getting a laugh here. If you think FF is 1 mil subs above WoW you are crazy.

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    Nah their proof is a website that flat out tells you they are not accurate. LOL

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    Wow is dying okay!? Mass player exodus, you saw it happen in Cata right? In MoP? Umm Legion! No maybe it was BFA! Must be Shadowlands! Damn is that game not dead yet??
    If only you read the post you are quoting. I showed a source. The other poster pulled numbers out of his rear end.
    So, no. You don't get to say my numbers are worse when i pointed out in the same post you didn't read that there are no official numbers.
    We have evidence that FF sold out and saw a player peak when it wasn't releasing any new content.
    Very sorry that afronts you and it's very difficult to cope with. Reality doesn't need your agreement.

    I mean, a good part of you that is replying doesn't even play the game or have any idea what is going on. You just get very cross cause your favorite game might not be the top dog anymore.
    Get over it. At least we are getting some improvements next patch cause of it.
    But, pretending reality isn't a thing? Nah... that is not my thing.
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  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    If only you read the post you are quoting. I showed a source.
    A source from a website that makes up numbers is a bad source. It hurts your case it does not make it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    If only you read the post you are quoting. I showed a source. The other poster pulled numbers out of his rear end.
    Both numbers are out of rear ends. Mmo population literally makes up numbers out of thin air you can see it for your self if you cross reference any of there given numbers with actual official info which you can do wot FFxiv to show that the numbers they give aren’t even close to the official info.
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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzhands View Post
    Yeah, nah. I really don't care, because all I'm doing is passing on what I've been told by the people who work on these games. These people know what they're doing, I don't, that's why the only things I say on the matter are info they've given, and it's also why I'm going to completely ignore some random person on the internet.
    If they told you they have this new engine that goes faster than light, you'd trust them too? Don't be silly, just look up integers, how they work, and learn something. You are in here saying big numbers cause lag, misinforming other people. At least don't talk at all if you don't know what you are talking about and keep your uninformed opinion to yourself.

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    If only you read the post you are quoting. I showed a source. The other poster pulled numbers out of his rear end.
    So, no. You don't get to say my numbers are worse when i pointed out in the same post you didn't read that there are no official numbers.
    We have evidence that FF sold out and saw a player peak when it wasn't releasing any new content.
    Very sorry that afronts you and it's very difficult to cope with. Reality doesn't need your agreement.

    I mean, a good part of you that is replying doesn't even play the game or have any idea what is going on. You just get very cross cause your favorite game might not be the top dog anymore.
    Get over it. At least we are getting some improvements next patch cause of it.
    But, pretending reality isn't a thing? Nah... that is not my thing.
    Your source is saying "don't trust us, we can't be reliable". It's pretty rich from you talking about reality when you pretend that FF has more subs than WoW even though your source is literally saying "there is no way of really getting MMO subscribers".

    It's even worse than not using any source, you're using made up numbers to prove a point that makes you look completely dishonest.
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  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Sialina View Post
    If they told you they have this new engine that goes faster than light, you'd trust them too? Don't be silly, just look up integers, how they work, and learn something. You are in here saying big numbers cause lag, misinforming other people. At least don't talk at all if you don't know what you are talking about and keep your uninformed opinion to yourself.
    There's more going on than simply the processing time it takes to add two numbers, though. We've already seen overflow issues happening in XIV, for example. Which has ramifications for encounter length, scaling, and so on. We also don't know if their servers have any issues with raw storage (unlikely) or memory constraints (more likely) and performance with regards to storing and fetching values.

    While we as players cannot confidently say WHY errors related to calculations may degrade player experience, players have reported seeing it in action and developers have - reportedly at least, I won't say I've dug up the posts - confirmed that it's happening.

    Simply saying, "Integer operations are the same on large or small values, so nothing to see here!" is ignoring a lot of other factors in play. Which doesn't seem to be the best stance to take when none of us have all the information needed to build an informed opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    This is the honest answer i can support.

    I live with someone who plays WoW as well and FF is just not for them even though i love it. They don't stand around there inventing reasons why FF sucks or WoW is better. They know WoW is a worse game. They see me playing FF and they know. But, FF just doesn't appeal to them.
    For example, New world doesn't appeal to me. It's not that i think it's bad. It's just not for me.

    That level of honesty is commendable. I applaud you.

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    Btw i'm not sure i adressed the OP.

    That is copium talking.

    As long as the game is good, it will get players support. It's that simple. It wasn't players complaining things weren't good that ruined WoW. The devs ruined WoW. It is very much a different situation.
    I can't comment on if its a better game than WoW or not. Maybe the gameplay really is fantastic and I'm missing out.

    All I know is I truly detest Anime and most everything from Japan, save a few Nintendo titles though not all of them. Art style and storytelling lacks innovation when it comes to Anime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sialina View Post
    If they told you they have this new engine that goes faster than light, you'd trust them too? Don't be silly, just look up integers, how they work, and learn something. You are in here saying big numbers cause lag, misinforming other people. At least don't talk at all if you don't know what you are talking about and keep your uninformed opinion to yourself.
    Again, game developers > you. It's a concept even simpler than integers. These games are massive piles of tangled codes, you have no idea how these numbers are interacting with things. FF14 especially, 1.0 was a massive pile of flaming shite and now we have 10 tons of spaghetti jury rigged on top of it. If Yoshi-P says big numbers are becoming an issue, then I trust him, and the fact that this seems to annoy you so much is kind of funny.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Barzotti View Post
    Your source is saying "don't trust us, we can't be reliable". It's pretty rich from you talking about reality when you pretend that FF has more subs than WoW even though your source is literally saying "there is no way of really getting MMO subscribers".

    It's even worse than not using any source, you're using made up numbers to prove a point that makes you look completely dishonest.
    I said that! The other poster brought it up while making up numbers just like he did on the first page, but that you are willing to buy it when it suits you.

    Jesus the copium on this room is off the charts!
    I'm done here. I am not gonna keep repeating myself to people who can't face reality.
    Think whatever you want. Reality doesn't need your aproval.
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  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzhands View Post
    Again, game developers > you. It's a concept even simpler than integers. These games are massive piles of tangled codes, you have no idea how these numbers are interacting with things. FF14 especially, 1.0 was a massive pile of flaming shite and now we have 10 tons of spaghetti jury rigged on top of it. If Yoshi-P says big numbers are becoming an issue, then I trust him, and the fact that this seems to annoy you so much is kind of funny.
    Actually I never once referred to FF14 in any of my posts, you did. I simply said adding 2 big numbers takes the same amount of time as adding 2 small numbers because of how computers work, which you can't seen to accept.
    If you want a more reasonable explanation for what might be happening in FF14 check Bovinity Divinitys response to my post instead, which deals with overflow and such.

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