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    The Unstoppable Force Theodarzna's Avatar
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    Post Newsom vetoes bill to make it easier for farmworkers to join a union

    Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday vetoed legislation that would make it easier for farmworkers to vote in union elections to the dismay of the United Farm Workers union, which pushed the measure to counteract a recent court ruling.

    The legislation, AB 616, sponsored by Assemblyman Mark Stone, D-Santa Cruz, would have allowed agricultural workers to vote to form a union by mail or delivering directly to the Agricultural Labor Relations Board. The push came after the U.S. Supreme Court ruling earlier this year that made it harder for labor groups to organized farmworkers.

    “This bill contains various inconsistencies and procedural issues related to the collection and review of ballot cards,” Newsom wrote in a statement after his veto.

    The veto was hailed by farm groups with California Farm Bureau President Jamie Johansson saying the bill threatened “the rights of agricultural employees to be free of undue fear and intimidation.” The UFW blasted the veto and said on its Twitter account that its members would protest outside the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, the restaurant where Newsom was photographed with dining with a group of lobbyists during the height of the pandemic.
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    California is the best state if you wish to really know what the Democratic Party is all about. Like, California tells you what Dems are about. There’s almost no Republican Party in California, none in power. There is no Joe Manchin, no Kyrsten Sinema to roleplay the scapegoat. The state of California is by itself the fifth richest country in the world. Nothing is stopping them here. All the pretense that the Dems only reason for not doing all those wealth redistribution programs are not present here. California could be solving homelessness, making housing affordable, giving every Californian a living wage, doubling unionization rates, making 50% of board members worker reps, etc. Heck, Newsom promised a State wide Health Service. California and it’s democrats melt away every excuse the party uses at the national level. The Democratic Party at its core has no interest in any of those projects. That just isn't what this party is into.

    Its also interesting to see when Mail-in Voting is safe and secure, and when its inappropriate. Fascinating stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
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    California is the best state if you wish to really know what the Democratic Party is all about. Like, California tells you what Dems are about. There’s almost no Republican Party in California, none in power. There is no Joe Manchin, no Kyrsten Sinema to roleplay the scapegoat. The state of California is by itself the fifth richest country in the world. Nothing is stopping them here. All the pretense that the Dems only reason for not doing all those wealth redistribution programs are not present here. California could be solving homelessness, making housing affordable, giving every Californian a living wage, doubling unionization rates, making 50% of board members worker reps, etc. Heck, Newsom promised a State wide Health Service. California and it’s democrats melt away every excuse the party uses at the national level. The Democratic Party at its core has no interest in any of those projects. That just isn't what this party is into.
    I love that you make a post where every comment you make is a bold faced lie, and you even prove with your acknowledgement that California is the 5th richest country by itself.

    When you're ready to come back to reality, we can have that discussion you're slobbering over yourself to have. Until then, back to the library for you - facts matter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Its also interesting to see when Mail-in Voting is safe and secure, and when its inappropriate. Fascinating stuff.
    Wow - it's almost like mail-in ballots have rules and regulations to keep them secure, as they have been for 100+ years in the U.S.

    How do you still not realize that?

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    I mean, not to defend democratic neo-liberalism but I sincerely doubt Larry Elder would have done it any differently, if not worse. because, you know, those are your choices here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
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    California is the best state if you wish to really know what the Democratic Party is all about. Like, California tells you what Dems are about. There’s almost no Republican Party in California, none in power. There is no Joe Manchin, no Kyrsten Sinema to roleplay the scapegoat. The state of California is by itself the fifth richest country in the world. Nothing is stopping them here. All the pretense that the Dems only reason for not doing all those wealth redistribution programs are not present here. California could be solving homelessness, making housing affordable, giving every Californian a living wage, doubling unionization rates, making 50% of board members worker reps, etc. Heck, Newsom promised a State wide Health Service. California and it’s democrats melt away every excuse the party uses at the national level. The Democratic Party at its core has no interest in any of those projects. That just isn't what this party is into.

    Its also interesting to see when Mail-in Voting is safe and secure, and when its inappropriate. Fascinating stuff.
    TIL that Gavin Newsom decision on one issue is ALL Democrats on ALL Issues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    TIL that Gavin Newsom decision on one issue is ALL Democrats on ALL Issues...
    Ibb4 "but what about Trump".

    It's mildly hilarious watching people complain about things they would have agreed with anyway if it wasn't a Democrat proposing it.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Huh. It's almost like Democrats aren't Radical Far-Left Communists, and the Republicans who constantly push the narrative that they are are completely full of shit. Who would have thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Ibb4 "but what about Trump".

    It's mildly hilarious watching people complain about things they would have agreed with anyway if it wasn't a Democrat proposing it.
    What I really like is how Theo is so desperate to make a point that "Democrats are all the same" she fails to see that her own source proves her wrong. The Bill that Newsom Vetoed was sponsored by a Democrat.

    The legislation, AB 616, sponsored by Assemblyman Mark Stone, D-Santa Cruz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
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    California is the best state if you wish to really know what the Democratic Party is all about. Like, California tells you what Dems are about. There’s almost no Republican Party in California, none in power. There is no Joe Manchin, no Kyrsten Sinema to roleplay the scapegoat. The state of California is by itself the fifth richest country in the world. Nothing is stopping them here. All the pretense that the Dems only reason for not doing all those wealth redistribution programs are not present here. California could be solving homelessness, making housing affordable, giving every Californian a living wage, doubling unionization rates, making 50% of board members worker reps, etc. Heck, Newsom promised a State wide Health Service. California and it’s democrats melt away every excuse the party uses at the national level. The Democratic Party at its core has no interest in any of those projects. That just isn't what this party is into.

    Its also interesting to see when Mail-in Voting is safe and secure, and when its inappropriate. Fascinating stuff.


    Imagine how many of those things would be solvable with all the extra money CA could have if it got the same level of funding from the feds that states like FL and Texas get. God they could cut taxes by 25% if they got the same funding %'s as say KY, WV, etc etc..

    they would have an extra 25 billion in funding just with Medicaid using TX/FL funding rates.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Not sure how anyone can defend this. Democrats should be ashamed of Newsom, tbh.
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    Such a strange rant by the OP. It goes from talking about vetoing 1 bill to a rant that California apparently should implement Socialism because there are no Republicans in the state.

    A. Don't take articles out of context to make a weak argument. It's always suspicious when someone only posts *part* of an article, and/or it lacks an explanation of why an action was taken. In this case Newsom signed a 1 pro-labor union bill last week, but vetoed this one as having some inconsitencies in the way it was written where union voters could be intimidated.

    B. This may come as a surprise, but there are millions of Republicans in California. There are Republican state Senators and Representatives. Real leaders don't view their service as us vs. them and only serve their party, they serve the needs of everyone in the state. FOX doesn't want you to think this way, but actually when a state is red or blue, there are still millions of people from the other party in every single state. There are many conservatives in California.

    C. No state has unlimited funds, and so they can't just arbitrarily solve homelessness, etc.

    Texas and Florida for example have massive homeless problems. Homelessness, despite what FOX tells you, is not just in California or just a blue state problem.

    I don't think any of this is knowledge that is difficult to obtain. I'd suggest varying your news sources if you have been programmed to think in ways that make you dislike an entire state of people.

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    Several things to keep in mind.

    Federal legislations which forbid employers from firing workers for joining, organizing, or supporting a labor union exclude farm workers.

    Only 10 states have legislations which allow agriculture employees to collectively bargain for employee conditions.

    California was the first and currently offers the strongest protection for agriculture workers' right to unionized.

    Why did Newson vetoed the bill? Dunno. Somebody probably should ask him.

    To condemn the Democratic party for Newsom veto is silly. Keep in mind that it was the Democrat controlled chambers that passed the bill in the first place.

    The same goes with condemning the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Not sure how anyone can defend this. Democrats should be ashamed of Newsom, tbh.
    I don't think anyone here is defending this. I don't know enough about the details of the Bill to make a judgement one way or the other. Just stating that it is folly to judge the entire democratic party on the basis of one governor's decision on one single issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    I don't think anyone here is defending this. I don't know enough about the details of the Bill to make a judgement one way or the other. Just stating that it is folly to judge the entire democratic party on the basis of one governor's decision on one single issue.
    Yeah. Especially when it comes to something like the unions. Democrats seem to be the party more in favor of them, but unions appear to be almost universally disliked in that country. Because communism, or some other rubbish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Yeah. Especially when it comes to something like the unions. Democrats seem to be the party more in favor of them, but unions appear to be almost universally disliked in that country. Because communism, or some other rubbish.
    In the US? No, Unions are fairly popular and common. The rich don't like them for obvious reasons, and many republicans don't but what can you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    In the US? No, Unions are fairly popular and common. The rich don't like them for obvious reasons, and many republicans don't but what can you do.
    Let's check union density rates for OECD countries;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...f_trade_unions

    The USA at a whopping 10.1% unionization, as compared to, say, Canada at 25.9%, or the UK at 23.4% (both pretty near the median range).

    The USA is on the low end for unionization, because unions are not particularly popular or common in the USA, by comparison to most developed nations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Let's check union density rates for OECD countries;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...f_trade_unions

    The USA at a whopping 10.1% unionization, as compared to, say, Canada at 25.9%, or the UK at 23.4% (both pretty near the median range).

    The USA is on the low end for unionization, because unions are not particularly popular or common in the USA, by comparison to most developed nations.
    I didn't say the US is better at unionizing than Canada. There is just a massive difference in what republicans are pushing for, like cancelling unions, and what democrats are allowing, like the cancelling of unions, and what the people from the US actually "universally disliked," the words used by the person I was replying. I don't think the US hates unions, but I do think rich people hate unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    In the US? No, Unions are fairly popular and common. The rich don't like them for obvious reasons, and many republicans don't but what can you do.
    Generally speaking, the US is less union friendly than other western countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    In the US? No, Unions are fairly popular and common
    Lolwhat.

    The US is one of the most anti-union countries in the developed world. There's a reason worker protections and benefits in this country are trash (see: shit minimum wage, no paid vacation or parental leave, no state mandated superannuation, etc.)
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    California continues to be a shithole nothing is new

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    California continues to be a shithole nothing is new
    This is a lie and can be summarily dismissed.
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