Several emotes removed in recent PTR build

[korijenkins]

I sorta blame the people who decided to spam emotes at other players for making choices of their own.

That hardly warrants removal.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The ultimate hypocrisy, no even worse than that, the outright lie they told about wanting to just remove all real life references is quite obvious when they're leaving the Madelaine Roux NPC in the game. The woman who made some very anti-white racist comments and keeps on spewing hatred against "white cis men" too.

I don’t believe they ever said they were going to remove all real life references just that they were dealing with the people related to sexual harassment.

[Yarathir]

lol wowhead preemptively locked comments that might be even sadder.

The funny thing is that if WoW keeps going this way, and they're in clear support of this way, there's a good chance they'll continue to hemorrhage subs, which in turn will bleed WoWhead dry as a business too.

We might be watching them dig their own grave.

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The joke itself is kind of homophobic

Saying you're not gay is not homophobic.

[Relapses]

lol wowhead preemptively locked comments that might be even sadder.

They locked the comments because the guy who wrote that article is a complete piece of shit that enjoys watching this community devolve into petty shouting matches over bowls of fucking fruit. I'm impressed he didn't inject his pointless opinion into that article, hopefully it means they're on the mend.

[Yarathir]

They locked the comments because the guy who wrote that article is a complete piece of shit that enjoys watching this community devolve into petty shouting matches over bowls of fucking fruit. I'm impressed he didn't inject his pointless opinion into that article, hopefully it means they're on the mend.

Wrong.



They create articles for clicks, then lock them because while they are financially invested in using hot topic issues to get clicks, they are ideologically opposed to people disagreeing with their take on those issues.

[Relapses]

Wrong.



They create articles for clicks, then lock them because while they are financially invested in using hot topic issues to get clicks, they are ideologically opposed to people disagreeing with their take on those issues.

Look at the previous articles by the author of that article. He has a number of them all on the same subject. That's actually the only one he's done where the comments got locked right away. Most of the other posts he's done are 300+ post flamewars that read a lot like most forum threads around here. Bad faith actors like him are part of the reason cynicism in this community has spread like wildfire. People who seek only to stoke the negativity circlejerking about WoW are part of the reason it's nigh-impossible to have a discussion about how to fix the fucking game. Why bother having a serious discussion when 99% of the people reading it will write it off after the first sentence with "lol dead game."

[Yarathir]

Look at the previous articles by the author of that article. He has a number of them all on the same subject. That's actually the only one he's done where the comments got locked right away. Most of the other posts he's done are 300+ post flamewars that read a lot like most forum threads around here. Bad faith actors like him are part of the reason cynicism in this community has spread like wildfire. People who seek only to stoke the negativity circlejerking about WoW are part of the reason it's nigh-impossible to have a discussion about how to fix the fucking game. Why bother having a serious discussion when 99% of the people reading it will write it off after the first sentence with "lol dead game."

Extremely massive cope.

[Relapses]

Extremely massive cope.

Cope with what, exactly? Editorialization has no business on a datamining website.

[uuuhname]

Look at the previous articles by the author of that article. He has a number of them all on the same subject. That's actually the only one he's done where the comments got locked right away. Most of the other posts he's done are 300+ post flamewars that read a lot like most forum threads around here. Bad faith actors like him are part of the reason cynicism in this community has spread like wildfire. People who seek only to stoke the negativity circlejerking about WoW are part of the reason it's nigh-impossible to have a discussion about how to fix the fucking game. Why bother having a serious discussion when 99% of the people reading it will write it off after the first sentence with "lol dead game."

I mean outrage generation gets clicks and money, look at the Quartering basically admitted to not caring about any of the things he cries about besides the money it gets him.

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Cope with what, exactly? Editorialization has no business on a datamining website.

no see, you need to cope with the fact you actually have a point to make beyond pointing and laughing.

[Houle]

lol
i just read some of those dev replies/statements on twitter, and what can i say...they can deny it all they want, these "changes" exist bc of the lawsuit.
the game is not in a good state. not by any means. and everyone and their mother can see that. it has far bigger issues than silly, 15y old sex jokes. yet THIS is the stuff they chose to focus on right now?
yeah, sure, thats totally not bc of the lawsuit. its 4sure bc the devs are suddenly unhappy with stuff thats been in game since the beginning.
...really?

[Relapses]

lol
i just read some of those dev replies/statements on twitter, and what can i say...they can deny it all they want, these "changes" exist bc of the lawsuit.
the game is not in a good state. not by any means. and everyone and their mother can see that. it has far bigger issues than silly, 15y old sex jokes. yet THIS is the stuff they chose to focus on right now?
yeah, sure, thats totally not bc of the lawsuit. its 4sure bc the devs are suddenly unhappy with stuff thats been in game since the beginning.
...really?

Yes, really.

[Polyxo]

If and of themselves, a lot of the emotes and stuff are eyerolling, and I didn't really NEED them to go, but I don't mind them leaving. I do feel a bit more strongly about them if like, they were written by Afrasiabi or one of those other tools.

[The Vindicator]

why is the spit thing understandable lol
the tauren thing, yeah, i can see that.
but "spitting" on another player is now suddenly horrible? especially when said player can straight up "spit" back?
this is a game where people get tortured, driven to madness, ripped apart, burned alive, or have their very souls destroyed. where racism and war crimes are both shown and adressed as such. where players can annoy each other with toys, pvp, mob stealing, trolling and whatever else. the spit thing is downright laughable.
if someone seriously gets offended when another player /spit emotes them, id argue they should rethink if they are in the right franchise.

People get their feefees hurt for getting spat on for being whales buying store mounts

[Mr Crix]

Cope with what, exactly? Editorialization has no business on a datamining website.

I think with your desperate whiteknighting l...

[Relapses]

I think with your desperate whiteknighting l...

Who is whiteknighting? Is simply pointing out the negative cynicism in this community is making it increasingly difficult to discuss literally fucking anything considered whiteknighting now? Have we reached a level of cognitive dissonance where the mere possibility that somebody doesn't immediately criticize everything Blizzard does or doesn't do means that they full-on support every dumb fucking decision the company makes?

[Houle]

Yes, really.

anyone who seriously believes its conicidence that the devs randomly decided now is a good time to change sexual things in the game, shortly after a gigantic lawsuit about sexual harassment in the company was made public, is downright delusional.

People get their feefees hurt for getting spat on for being whales buying store mounts

oh nooo, how will they cope, i wonder. must be tough.
guess im lucky ive NEVER been insulted or threatened on the internet in all those years of gaming. i dont know how i wouldve managed

[MoanaLisa]

anyone who seriously believes its conicidence that the devs randomly decided now is a good time to change sexual things in the game, shortly after a gigantic lawsuit about sexual harassment in the company was made public, is downright delusional.

I don't think it's random. I think this is the best, and perhaps the first, opportunity they've had to do this. As for Blizzard management going along with it that's all different now as well. Brack, who was executive producer of the game for many years is gone as well as a number of other key management people.

Of course the lawsuit had something to do with it but the legal actions brought by the state of California and the federal EEOC thing weren't about the game content at all. It simply created opportunities for developers to move on something without fear of retaliation that likely has been bothering some of them for a while.

[sweatshopkids]

Let's try to keep this admittedly volatile topic on track. Drop the tangent discussions about mental health issues, gender identity, and real-world politics and focus on the PTR changes concerning player emotes.[/b]

Looks like a mod edited something into your post. Blizzard is actively finding a way to shoehorn all these into the game bit by bit.

[cocomen2]

It was from The WoW Diary: A Journal of Computer Game Development by original WoW designer John Staats. According to market research, player's girlfriends wanted a "non-creepy femme race" to play Horde-side.

Many years later, nothing's changed:



Dead last: Kul Tiran.

I wonder why...

Last: Mecha-Junk-Gnomes, just their tip so small it didn't shows on graphic.

[thottstation]

I think this is the best, and perhaps the first, opportunity they've had to do this.

Can you imagine the job interview?


Blizzard: "You want to be on the team, huh? So you like World of Warcraft?"

Wannabe Dev: "NO, I don't. I'm emotionally fragile and the Suggestive Themes makes me feel icky and personally attacked. But I want to work here so when the opportunity comes, I can remove everything I want. Because edutainment is how you reshape society to make a better, safer, more enlightened world... but I can't do that myself; no one wants to play games like that. So I need to find a franchise that's already popular that has the reach to broadcast my message to millions, and the capital to keep paying me when millions of customers walk away."

Blizzard: "So... you don't play the game?

Wannabe Dev: "No, I play Twitter."


Naturally, they didn't say that out loud. Instead, they tell these companies what they want to hear. That's how you infiltrate something you don't like, so you can bide your time until you can take action.