Some Flirts and Jokes Removed on the PTR, Fathom Dweller Available in NA, DLC #791

[Relapses]

"You shouldn't care because i say so because i don't care but i care enough that you care"

The fuck? I care that pointless circlejerking in this community is making it almost impossible to talk about things that actually need to be fixed about it. It sucks dick that I could write a college dissertation on problems and potential fixes for the game and some omega galaxy brain like you will just reply "lol dead game y u play it" and that's the extent of what we consider productive discussion about WoW in 2021. The reason the game is in the state it is has more to do with people who are outraged for the sake of being outraged than it does any specific problem with the game itself. It's frustrating as all hell.

[uuuhname]

The strawman is I'm dismissing their blight. Show me where i have ever done that. And I've answered your question several time

you are though, you call them idiotic feminist's who want to ruin the game. and even when pressed on how YOU would handle the situation in a way that you would find satisfactory, you have nothing! you literally have fuck all to show. it's obvious all you care about here is calling these people puritans who hate sex and they should go work somewhere else and leave your game perfectly the same so you can go back to the times before any of this stuff became public, because all you care about is YOUR enjoyment of a fucking video game.

[Video Games]

The fuck? I care that pointless circlejerking in this community is making it almost impossible to talk about things that actually need to be fixed about it. It sucks dick that I could write a college dissertation on problems and potential fixes for the game and some omega galaxy brain like you will just reply "lol dead game y u play it" and that's the extent of what we consider productive discussion about WoW in 2021. The reason the game is in the state it is has more to do with people who are outraged for the sake of being outraged than it does any specific problem with the game itself. It's frustrating as all hell.

So you specifically entered a thread about censorship to try to get people to shut up because you want to talk about the gameplay. You're very silly

[Doffen]

Honestly, I just wanted an excuse to link that after some guy earlier claimed I was pretending to be a good guy. But yeah. I guess you caught me. I'm the bad guy because I... ::checks notes:: do not think that changes which impact nobody are worth bitching about.

But it do an impact. People literally grew up with Blizzard. It do impact peoples feelings about the game and the company as a whole, thus impacting their choices on wether they want to play on or not. It got nothing to do with how direct those changes are to the actual game, which are minimal, but it a broader sense it do impact a very important thing:

Peoples feelings of the game and company as a whole. Which shouldn't be treated lightly. Blizzard has an issue, which is moved on to their customers. It's not the way to handle things. Customers don't really care about those real life issues. I'm sorry to say, though we all know this, but unfortunately humans are simple in the way we think about stuff that are not really affecting us. Even if we care.

Changing the whole tone of a game does since people are actually playing the game so it affects them.

[Video Games]

you are though, you call them idiotic feminist's who want to ruin the game. and even when pressed on how YOU would handle the situation in a way that you would find satisfactory, you have nothing! you literally have fuck all to show. it's obvious all you care about here is calling these people puritans who hate sex and they should go work somewhere else and leave your game perfectly the same so you can go back to the times before any of this stuff became public, because all your care about is YOUR enjoyment of a fucking video game.

For the trillionth fucking goddamn time, i do not want anybody to be harassed at work, ever for any reason and exposing them is the right thing to do. But that does not give you an excuse to censor things completely unrelated to that. Get it through your fucking thick head

[Relapses]

So you specifically entered a thread about censorship to try to get people to shut up because you want to talk about the gameplay. You're very silly

I entered the discussion to share a video by a content creator with a take which I agree with. Everything that's transpired since then is me responding to personal attacks or just plain bad argumentation. You're right -- I could ignore it all and move on but I do care so I don't.

[Darkeon]

For the trillionth fucking goddamn time, i do not want anybody to be harassed at work, ever for any reason and exposing them is the right thing to do. But that does not give you an excuse to censor things completely unrelated to that. Get it through your fucking thick head

Mods on their main accounts just salivating to give an infraction.

I've enjoyed this interaction, don't fall for it!

[Video Games]

I entered the discussion to share a video by a content creator with a take which I agree with. Everything that's transpired since then is me responding to personal attacks or just plain bad argumentation. You're right -- I could ignore it all and move on but I do care so I don't.

Step 1 is important. You're gonna be alright boo

[Menog]

Do you think that tearing down Confederate monuments is an example of censorship?

I live in Europe. I have no clue what your aiming. Keep it simple please.

[Relapses]

For the trillionth fucking goddamn time, i do not want anybody to be harassed at work, ever for any reason and exposing them is the right thing to do. But that does not give you an excuse to censor things completely unrelated to that. Get it through your fucking thick head

...without direct knowledge of the reasoning behind the changes you have no way to know what's being changed and for which reasons. And because of that, you're crying "woke police" because you feel some of the changes are "too PC." But instead of moving on with your life and understanding sometimes things happen for reasons that are beyond the scope of our understanding, you're here repeatedly lambasting anybody who doesn't agree with your "too PC" take as being "lefties." And you're also using that negativity to continue fueling your unsavory opinion of Blizzard as a game development company. It just seems... kind of pointless, y'know?

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I live in Europe. I have no clue what your aiming. Keep it simple please.

If people in post-Soviet Russia were tearing down monuments to Communist war heroes, would you consider these acts vandalism?

[Deadite]

The reason the game is in the state it is has more to do with people who are outraged for the sake of being outraged than it does any specific problem with the game itself. It's frustrating as all hell.

Yeah the devs. Now you get it.

[Video Games]

...without direct knowledge of the reasoning behind the changes you have no way to know what's being changed and for which reasons. And because of that, you're crying "woke police" because you feel some of the changes are "too PC." But instead of moving on with your life and understanding sometimes things happen for reasons that are beyond the scope of our understanding, you're here repeatedly lambasting anybody who doesn't agree with your "too PC" take as being "lefties." And you're also using that negativity to continue fueling your unsavory opinion of Blizzard as a game development company. It just seems... kind of pointless, y'know?

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If people in post-Soviet Russia were tearing down monuments to Communist war heroes, would you consider these acts vandalism?

And my assumption, based on the rest of the industry, is woke people censoring things they don't like, yes. I don't use my past trauma to censor things i don' like. You can call it piointless negativity if you want, but that's why we don't have real id and 15 dollar character copies or aoe caps

[Menog]

If people in post-Soviet Russia were tearing down monuments to Communist war heroes, would you consider these acts vandalism?

Depends on the person. When revolution hit my countrys biggest bridge wich was named after the dictator had its name changed and even today some people that dont support the dictatorship think the name should had been kept the same.

I don't think stuff that was fine in its time of constrution should be demolished because I believe we should remember the past. Not to cherish it but to learn from it.

Another example would be auschwitz. It remains there so people can be reminded of the terrible cost of fascism.

Instead of destroying said monuments why not move them to a museum like for example what they do in the jim crow museum?

We should never erase our colective and cultural history so we don't forget the lessons of the past.

Does this make sense to you?

[minteK917]

The fuck? I care that pointless circlejerking in this community is making it almost impossible to talk about things that actually need to be fixed about it. It sucks dick that I could write a college dissertation on problems and potential fixes for the game and some omega galaxy brain like you will just reply "lol dead game y u play it" and that's the extent of what we consider productive discussion about WoW in 2021. The reason the game is in the state it is has more to do with people who are outraged for the sake of being outraged than it does any specific problem with the game itself. It's frustrating as all hell.

No, not even close lmao. Blizzard release and control the narrative around this game. They made their bed with this shit community because they fostered this shit community in the first place, then made it even worse by trying to constantly fight with the community they made. The game was structured around faction pride and being toxic to half your server from the start, even blizzard played into it. Most of their shrinking player base is still gona be those people. If they wanted a community that hugs togheter and sing along with everyone, they had to do what the ff14 team did, build their game with that focus from the start. Have harsh punishment, actually monitor shit. Blizzard did none of this for more then a decade, theres no easy way to turn this kind of community around. No amount of emote changes or picture removal is gona change this, the game is too old to recapture new players and a turn around just put off your ancient base.

How do i know this? Because i played even older games then wow. Like quake and ut. Guess what they are just as toxic 20 years later. You cant teach an old community of monkeys new tricks. You have to come to term with that. Might as well make wow 2 if you do want a clean slate and a new community, that has much better chance to turn good, if you foster it into a good environment from the start.

[Relapses]

Yeah the devs. Now you get it.

To an extent, yes. But how on earth do devs respond to feedback when almost 100% of it is "your game sucks get better."

[Deadite]

To an extent, yes. But how on earth do devs respond to feedback when almost 100% of it is "your game sucks get better."

Well that is the conundrum. There is plenty of great feedback mixed in with the bullshit. So they just don't bother and stick to the same old same old. They need to do something. That is why they get paid the big bucks. They need to figure it out. I am just a consumer.

[Relapses]

No, not even close lmao. Blizzard release and control the narrative around this game. They made their bed with this shit community because they fostered this shit community in the first place, then made it even worse by trying to constantly fight with the community they made. The game was structured around faction pride and being toxic to half your server from the start, even blizzard played into it. Most of their shrinking player base is still gona be those people. If they wanted a community that hugs togheter and sing along with everyone, they had to do what the ff14 team did, build their game with that focus from the start. Have harsh punishment, actually monitor shit. Blizzard did none of this for more then a decade, theres no easy way to turn this kind of community around. No amount of emote changes or picture removal is gona change this, the game is too old to recapture new players and a turn around just put off your ancient base.

How do i know this? Because i played even older games then wow. Like quake and ut. Guess what they are just as toxic 20 years later. You cant teach an old community of monkeys new tricks. You have to come to term with that. Might as well make wow 2 if you do want a clean slate and a new community, that has much better chance to turn good, if you foster it into a good environment from the start.

"My cynicism informs me that nothing can ever change so we shouldn't bother. Oh, and if you do bother, it's because you're woke."

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Well that is the conundrum. There is plenty of great feedback mixed in with the bullshit. So they just don't bother and stick to the same old same old. They need to do something. That is why they get paid the big bucks. They need to figure it out. I am just a consumer.

I agree wholeheartedly. I want to provide feedback, too, but I'm afraid that it'll be lost in a sea of people just looking for an upvote for saying "Ion Hazzikostas is literally Satan," the 3,837,943th time this Tuesday.

[Dacia Ultan]

Yeah the devs. Now you get it.

Wait. It's been the WoW development team railing in this thread about "woke"/"leftists/"censorship"/"puritans"/Twitter/Tumblr/Neopets/pronouns/hair dye/scapegoat-of-the moment (to say nothing of flaming people for disagreeing) on fake accounts, all this time?

If so: it would not be that they're "outraged," be that "for the sake of being outraged" or otherwise, at all. It would be that they're faking a nonexistent outrage brigade, presumably for publicity. Which would be doubly performative and generally kind of low.

[Relapses]

Depends on the person. When revolution hit my countrys biggest bridge wich was named after the dictator had its name changed and even today some people that dont support the dictatorship think the name should had been kept the same.

I don't think stuff that was fine in its time of constrution should be demolished because I believe we should remember the past. Not to cherish it but to learn from it.

Another example would be auschwitz. It remains there so people can be reminded of the terrible cost of fascism.

Instead of destroying said monuments why not move them to a museum like for example what they do in the jim crow museum?

We should never erase our colective and cultural history so we don't forget the lessons of the past.

Does this make sense to you?

I appreciate you taking the time to explore this. I'd written off your takes but this is actually a pretty well-reasoned. I just hope that it helps you see that in anything there are always going to be people who view the same act in different lenses. You say censorship. I see the developers making the game they feel comfortable making. All the rants about woke police and all that stuff is fluff. It won't change anything. I don't see Blizzard suddenly pulling a 180 on anything at this point. If these changes really were the straw that broke the camel's back for you... then well, I'm sorry something so innocuous impacted this way but that is what it is.

[minteK917]

To an extent, yes. But how on earth do devs respond to feedback when almost 100% of it is "your game sucks get better."

Thats literally the job of a design team to translate your game sucks into what it actually means. You are paid to do this, not your player base. Also its not even 100% of your community. We have plently exemple of players reaching out to blizzard to give proper feed back or even help, but for the last decade blizzard has always tried to fight its community as if its all idiots. Blizzard was offered raid teams that dont compete in world first, to clean up fights bugs and over tune, they always refused, instead they test shit on god mod, put it on ptr, its shit, make it live and its still shit, gotta hot fix that thing 12 times.

How many people explained why titan forge was shit, blizzard only answer was that they kewn better, because it was them vs the idiots. Until they turned around and fucking removed it. If as you say 100% of feed back says something is shit, guess what you have to fucking do your job and figure out why 100% of the feedback says its shit, theres no smoke without fire, if the fucking smoke is as prevalent as you say.

There is also the fact your community only goes by precedence, blizzard literally only answered to shit shows, not good feed back. It teaches the community how it works. Community wwnt ape shit against forced real id, real id dropped. Keep telling them titan forged was shit for two years until it got removes. If the only result the community gets is when they fling shit at you for a year, its what they will always do.