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  1. #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    This Harry Potter thing is line with the whole Tolkien is racist because orcs being bad is synonymous with a belief that some races are better than others.
    That is correct as a general analisys, but here comes the Tolkien geek. Orcs are bad because they have been created by someone (Melkor, aka Morgoth) that was trying to enslave the whole world of Arda. They have been created using the enslaved Elfs, because Morgoth didn't had the power to give life. Orcs are bad because their porpuse was to serve the darkness of their lord, 1st Morgoth and later Sauron.

  2. #282
    I didn't mean to open that can because of HP.
    The point was more that some people can enjoy some aspects of something while not condoning all of it.
    Take Dave Chapelle and his trans friend Daphne? was it.
    He's getting shit on now over it yet they were friends.
    Related cause he's team Terf with JKR.
    Even her family have come out in support of him.

    But he doesn't have to agree with all of it and that also doesn't make him anti trans.
    Same for republicans.
    It's so dumb that anyone that doesn't tow the Trump party line is insta RINO and exiled.
    So yes, I feel we can be a bit of two of something.
    Life is complex and to try and pretend otherwise is folly.
    So no, having some conservative ideals doesn't make you an insta racist nazi.

    Look at Euro this year.
    By watching it and enjoying it doesn't mean you condone the racism that was directed at those guys.
    Or condone all football hooliganism.

    Edit:
    Also this:
    Quote Originally Posted by Aurgjelme View Post
    [I] For one, Rowling does a great deal of borrowing in her stories. She followed established conventions, endowing her dragons with fiery breath and wings, giving her trolls dim wit and powerful clubs, and her goblins with short stature, hooked noses, and greedy manipulation—archetypes that existed well before Rowling ever put pen to paper. Perhaps Rowling drew her goblin based on the goblins in the Nineteenth Century poem “Goblin Market,” in which goblins lure and trick with “evil gifts.” Or consider JRR Tolkein’s goblin—“A foul creature…slightly smaller, sometimes hunched over or appearing to walk and run with limps.” Or just look up goblin in the dictionary and you find a definition that largely resembles Rowling’s creatures. Perhaps the goblin character has its origins in anti-Semitism, but Rowling can hardly be convicted of unjust commentary for using a now-familiar Western literary character.
    It's a topic for another thread though.
    Last edited by Hollycakes; 2021-10-10 at 07:17 PM.

  3. #283
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    Take Dave Chapelle and his trans friend Daphne? was it.
    He's getting shit on now over it yet they were friends.
    Related cause he's team Terf with JKR.
    Even her family have come out in support of him.
    Because TERFs are a hate group. That's why he gets backlash for siding with them. It's like saying you're on "Team White Supremacist" or "Team Gay Basher". It isn't about a "difference of opinion"; the entire goal of those groups is to harass, demean, abuse, or otherwise attack whatever group of innocents they've designated as their targets.


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    Get back on topic this is getting far from the point.
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  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    Related cause he's team Terf with JKR.
    Even her family have come out in support of him.

    But he doesn't have to agree with all of it and that also doesn't make him anti trans.
    Same for republicans.
    How can you be team Terf but not be all for it? It sounds like he isn't team Terf in that case.

  6. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    How can you be team Terf but not be all for it? It sounds like he isn't team Terf in that case.
    I dunno, that's kind of my point.
    People blankly calling out others saying if they believe in/like one aspect of something they are ALL in.
    I was just trying to use RL examples of things I've noticed that are similar.
    Lot's of us don't live in that black and white world.

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    I dunno, that's kind of my point.
    People blankly calling out others saying if they believe in/like one aspect of something they are ALL in.
    I was just trying to use RL examples of things I've noticed that are similar.
    Lot's of us don't live in that black and white world.
    Well you said he is team Terf, either he believes all that stuff they stand for or he doesn't.

    Unfortunately you don't get to pick and choose when you are talking about supporting things like hate groups. If you are team Terf, its a black and white issue, you're a bad person because you support a hate group.

    Its a little different when we are talking about something mundane like a book. Like I can say I enjoyed reading a book without saying every sentence was a good one.

  8. #288
    Ok feel free to take all that up with Dave.
    My point stands.
    Didn't realize we had so many Anakin's in life honestly.
    Just because you guys can't see any of the other side doesn't mean others can't.
    I've given enough examples.
    You do get to choose.
    He has a trans friend but doesn't agree with every trans issue I guess.
    It's possible.

    Just like having some conservative ideals without being a nazi is.
    But Anakin's aren't having it.
    You can watch the World Cup and not be racist.
    You can have a gay friend and not agree with everything they do.

    Such a strange way to look at the many facets of life.
    I mean you all drive cars so you are ALL in on pollution then right?
    You all love and condone fossil fuels right?
    Any plastic straw users?
    Clearly you HATE the environment and the ocean.
    Do you cut up your six pack rings before throwing them out?
    If you don't you obviously LOVE killing turtles right?
    It's all or nothing.

    This was a really easy point that shouldn't have gone on this long and we've been warned so I'm stopping here.

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    Snip
    These are wildly different examples to supporting a hate group, and no, your point doesn't stand at all.

  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    Ok feel free to take all that up with Dave.
    My point stands.
    Didn't realize we had so many Anakin's in life honestly.
    Just because you guys can't see any of the other side doesn't mean others can't.
    I've given enough examples.
    You do get to choose.
    He has a trans friend but doesn't agree with every trans issue I guess.
    It's possible.

    Just like having some conservative ideals without being a nazi is.
    But Anakin's aren't having it.
    You can watch the World Cup and not be racist.
    You can have a gay friend and not agree with everything they do.

    Such a strange way to look at the many facets of life.
    I mean you all drive cars so you are ALL in on pollution then right?
    You all love and condone fossil fuels right?
    Any plastic straw users?
    Clearly you HATE the environment and the ocean.
    Do you cut up your six pack rings before throwing them out?
    If you don't you obviously LOVE killing turtles right?
    It's all or nothing.

    This was a really easy point that shouldn't have gone on this long and we've been warned so I'm stopping here.
    A self identified white supremecist is still 100% a bigot even if they "have a black friend." A TERF is still 100% a bigot even if they "have a trans friend." It just sounds to me you are trying to justify to yourself why you are a fan of some celeb's.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    If you're going to include slavery, don't make the slaves complicit, and don't make freeing them a joke nobody takes seriously.
    You didn't read the books if you think that's the case.

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    Get back on topic this is getting far from the point.
    ouch...where'd you come from?

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  12. #292
    lol.
    Just lol.
    I need no justification to like anything or anyone.
    Especially to internet randos.
    I have no problem saying I like Dave.
    I was using examples of how life isn't all black or white.
    Twist that into whatever you want lol.

    Sounds to me like you can't read.
    See how that works?

    Edit:
    I want to point out allllllll the other all in's I gave and you focused on that one lol.
    Then tried to read some weird thing into it.
    Projection or something something.
    And boy is that a weird interpretation of what I was saying.
    Someone who already admitted to watching his special on Netflix.
    People who don't like him usually don't watch him do they?
    And why would I care about justifying that to internet randos?

    Certainly sounds like a reading problem.
    Because you missed the entire point.
    Whether you like it or not, not everyone sees the left/right thing the way you do.
    It's a really simple point that some of you seem to not grasp.

    Edit edit:
    I picked that topic cause it's fresh in my mind btw.
    It's brand new on Netflix and I just watched it lol.
    This convo is stupid now and I've said the same thing enough times to make the point.
    Carry on calling each other nazi's and demonizing anything you don't agree with.


    I do hope rando internet dude#7845623479845 approves of this message.
    I mean that's why I'm here.
    Last edited by Hollycakes; 2021-10-10 at 11:02 PM.

  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    There is a hard reality that the current GOP is filled with bigots, homophobes, science deniers, and people who just want liberals to suffer. Someone who still identified as part of the GOP even if they don't hold those views themselves are somehow ok with it and are ok with aligning themselves to those people.

    For example:
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/08/polit...deo/index.html

    Just how many conservatives are going to call on him to resign?
    I never said people on the left that think they’re fairly maligning an entire portion of political groups wouldn’t double down when some of us roll their eyes at the attacks.

    People dividing politics from right and left to right and wrong goes back centuries, and demonization of political opponents has been a political strategy for just as long. It comes with the territory in political discussion, as does the ridicule.
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  14. #294
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    You didn't read the books if you think that's the case.
    Yeah, tbh I am reading what @Endus wrote and I am kinda confused

    JK Rowling didnt invent the concept of goblins being greedy or of house elves :/ (We have greedy goblins in WoW in case anyone is forgetting)

    Id say her interpretations are far more progressive than what was at the time were house elves were seen as this happy go lucky creatures that just love doing chores or goblins just being ruthlessly greedy and nothing else. Its a more realistic and sympathetic spin on those concepts. Also anyone thinking JKR condoned slavery with Dobby is kinda of fooling themselves

  15. #295
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    lol.
    Just lol.
    I need no justification to like anything or anyone.
    Especially to internet randos.
    I have no problem saying I like Dave.
    I was using examples of how life isn't all black or white.
    Twist that into whatever you want lol.

    Sounds to me like you can't read.
    See how that works?

    Edit:
    I want to point out allllllll the other all in's I gave and you focused on that one lol.
    Then tried to read some weird thing into it.
    Projection or something something.
    And boy is that a weird interpretation of what I was saying.
    Someone who already admitted to watching his special on Netflix.
    People who don't like him usually don't watch him do they?
    And why would I care about justifying that to internet randos?

    Certainly sounds like a reading problem.
    Because you missed the entire point.
    Whether you like it or not, not everyone sees the left/right thing the way you do.
    It's a really simple point that some of you seem to not grasp.
    You are arguing that extremists aren't black and white to justify your like for an extremist. just lol indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post

    JK Rowling didnt invent the concept of goblins being greedy or of house elves :/ (We have greedy goblins in WoW in case anyone is forgetting)

    And how again does that excuse it if she still uses it?
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    lel the kid is still at it.
    I've ignored all of like 2 people here and now him.
    The OG thing that started this was Doc saying one is a pillow, the other being shot in the face.

    I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    That's your analogy for that?
    It makes zero sense.

    I can't tell if you're suggesting that picking anything at anytime from the right is the same as being shot?
    Or are you claiming there shouldn't be a 3rd option?
    Like the analogy doesn't work in any form lol

    One party is a cotton pillow and the other is a shotgun?
    This is your response to them talking about things not being black and white?

    So if you're fiscally conservative, that's picking being shot in the face?
    Then:

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    I expect most people have a collection of opinions that would make it difficult to put them firmly in the left or right categories, and it's perfectly fine for them to reject the idea that they must always be either team red or team blue. Rejecting that idea doesn't render them incapable of making choices, nor is it a sign that they're abdicating any responsibilities that others may feel they have with regards to the communities and societies in which they live.
    Then:
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    It's not about the specific colours, it's about the principle.
    Then:
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Its not hard for me in America.

    I don't lean left, I'm fully 100% left.

    There's no blending of ideologies anymore in the US.

    Either you're racist, xenophobic, homophobic, sexist and think solely in terms of how X affects me and only me or you're left.
    Then:
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    Seems there are 2 thought schools here.

    One is if you in anyway like something from either side, you then fully support everything under that banner.
    Like it's Sith politics.
    Black or white.
    The other not so much and there's middle ground.

    I feel like this is when Endus disapproves of my reading HP cause of JKR.
    Or if someone buys from apple then therefore they automatically condone slave labor etc.

    Not saying either is right.
    Just seems to be how people are split.

    THIS was the convo chain that led to examples of other things in life not being black or white.
    Twisting any cherry picked examples is kindergarten shit when you MISSED the entire point.
    I wasn't the only one that said it either as I quoted Dark here too.
    Your responses are a joke.
    I bolded and italicised the OG question I posed about my uncle being right on money, left on everything else.
    I feel like I'm dealing with a karen.

  18. #298
    So defensive. You claimed a guy who is self identified as a radical anti-trans, isn't necessarily anti-trans. I called you out for that bullshit, as did others. Don't get angry at other's when you don't have a good point to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    lel the kid is still at it.
    I've ignored all of like 2 people here and now him.
    The OG thing that started this was Doc saying one is a pillow, the other being shot in the face.

    I said:


    Then:



    Then:


    Then:


    Then:



    THIS was the convo chain that led to examples of other things in life not being black or white.
    Twisting any cherry picked examples is kindergarten shit when you MISSED the entire point.
    I wasn't the only one that said it either as I quoted Dark here too.
    Your responses are a joke.
    I bolded and italicised the OG question I posed about my uncle being right on money, left on everything else.
    I feel like I'm dealing with a karen.
    I commend you for aggroing them but you never realize that lots of people here only sees the world as black and white (pun intended) ?

    As for my political stance, I go from left to right and back to left depending of the subject.

  20. #300
    I’m of the intellectual elite, so left.

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