Poll: Dou you lean Right or left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    More right wing but I think ultimately the neoliberals are the most in tune with reality in this century. If the left/right pops its head up it'll get bopped back down in a mixed economy liberal democracy. Basically I think the system works in terms of keeping out non-incremental policy extremists.
    Most in tune with reality... depends if you think reality should be utter shit or not I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    I dont lean either cuz I am not obsessef with tribal affiliation. I just have a set of values and thats it
    Left or right isn't "tribal"... you either support or don't support certain actions... are you one of those not real centrists (because centrist aren't real)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    That last part seems to contradict the rest of the statement.
    Being an anarcho-syndicalist doesn't inherently go against being pro EU.

    The EU as an organization is largely governed through an absolute consensus system.

    With other words, everyone has to consent to everything, otherwise it doesn't happen. Of course some groups or nations have a larger influence, but that's the thing.... It's influence, not power. And participation is fully voluntary...you can leave at any time... As we seen with Brexit.

    On the other hand, being anarcho anything and a social conservative are utterly and fundamentally contradictory.
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    Every time I think I got all the policies and political positions in the EU figured out someone throws a curve ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Every time I think I got all the policies and political positions in the EU figured out someone throws a curve ball.
    Incoherence is s typical attention seeking strategy for edgelords and the alt-right. Mileage or KPH will vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana Violence View Post
    I don't think so, but then I'm also not socially conservative on all matters.

    Anarcho-syndicalism existed back in the early 1900s already, if not before that. None of those people were pre-occupied or obsessed with pronouns and identity politoilets.. In fact even the catholic church used to encourage anarcho-syndicalist views back in those days too.


    Basically not being socially conservative to me means that you encourage what Blizzard is currently doing: virtue signaling hard by scrubbing puritanism into places where it has no place and almost nobody really wants it. Turning women into fruit bowls, removing names with the excuse of "not wanting real world references" but then they leave the Madeleine Roux NPC in the game, because hypocrisy couldn't be more obvious.
    You just described social conservatism.
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
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    left. 2020 was sort of the breaking point for me in any sort of trust or belief that capitalism on it's own is capable of dealing with any disaster situation or more to the point not taking advantage of a disaster situation purely for a profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Most in tune with reality... depends if you think reality should be utter shit or not I guess.

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    Left or right isn't "tribal"... you either support or don't support certain actions... are you one of those not real centrists (because centrist aren't real)
    Left and right as characteristics arent tribal. I am talking about identifying with them

    I dont think of myself as a leftist or a right winger, I just believe in certain things. If those things happen to be left or right that is another matter, its not something I give any thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Left and right as characteristics arent tribal. I am talking about identifying with them

    I dont think of myself as a leftist or a right winger, I just believe in certain things. If those things happen to be left or right that is another matter, its not something I give any thought
    So, thats why you supported Trump... even going g so far as to lying g about it for years?

    I mean, if you believed in certain things, why lie about them, and try and hide it?
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Left and right as characteristics arent tribal. I am talking about identifying with them

    I dont think of myself as a leftist or a right winger
    , I just believe in certain things. If those things happen to be left or right that is another matter, its not something I give any thought
    Which does not really change where you stand on everything(which are far right economic stances).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    I dont lean either cuz I am not obsessef with tribal affiliation. I just have a set of values and thats it
    Values have a left or right lean most of the time... you for instance clearly are right wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Left and right as characteristics arent tribal. I am talking about identifying with them

    I dont think of myself as a leftist or a right winger, I just believe in certain things. If those things happen to be left or right that is another matter, its not something I give any thought
    This is just willful ignorance, expressed as if it should be respected.

    Very few people randomly pick "left" or "right" and then blindly abide by some set of dictums on that side. For one, there's a wildly disparate selection in both cases. For two, it's the reverse of what happens. People develop their moral/ethical code and understanding of political science, and then figure out who they best align with.

    You're just deliberately skipping that last section and pretending it's a virtue. It isn't. It's just willful ignorance. It changes nothing.


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    This is pointless without a definition of what you consider left or right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Every time I think I got all the policies and political positions in the EU figured out someone throws a curve ball.
    Holding typically left leaning organizational and economic values combined with hard right social conservatism is not really a novelty in Europe.

    Almost the entire former Eastern bloc is characterized by this idiosyncrasy. But hearing someone describe themselves as Anarcho-Syndicalist Social Conservative, is a novelty for me, but if I think about it....it's not that novel.

    For example JRR Tolkien often described his ideal social organization model as socially conservative anarcho-agrarian (he wrote more than fiction). Sabino Arana the father of Basque nationalism (and terrorism) also envisioned a society organized along Catholic Anarcho-Syndicalist principles. The man was a box full of contradictions in moden political sense, nationalistic, psychotically xenophobic, religiously conservative....anti-colonialist, anti-slavery etc. Later out his ideological movement another guy called Arizmendiarrieta (a Catholic priest and Basque nationalist) founded the largest still existing and probably most successful worker co-operative. The Mondragon Corporation.

    European politics are often way more complex than they seem due to the sheer variety drawn from the regionalism of the continent.

    Seriously....have 10 Europeans in a room and they'll have 30 opinions on the same subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Holding typically left leaning organizational and economic values combined with hard right social conservatism is not really a novelty in Europe.

    Almost the entire former Eastern bloc is characterized by this idiosyncrasy. But hearing someone describe themselves as Anarcho-Syndicalist Social Conservative, is a novelty for me, but if I think about it....it's not that novel.

    For example JRR Tolkien often described his ideal social organization model as socially conservative anarcho-agrarian (he wrote more than fiction). Sabino Arana the father of Basque nationalism (and terrorism) also envisioned a society organized along Catholic Anarcho-Syndicalist principles. The man was a box full of contradictions in moden political sense, nationalistic, psychotically xenophobic, religiously conservative....anti-colonialist, anti-slavery etc. Later out his ideological movement another guy called Arizmendiarrieta (a Catholic priest and Basque nationalist) founded the largest still existing and probably most successful worker co-operative. The Mondragon Corporation.

    European politics are often way more complex than they seem due to the sheer variety drawn from the regionalism of the continent.

    Seriously....have 10 Europeans in a room and they'll have 30 opinions on the same subject.
    Some of the things you're describing sound an awful lot like fascism to me. Syndicalism with a social conservative, nationalist structure sounds exactly like pre-WW2 French Sorelianism, which is the grandfather of fascism despite the intense internal contradictions within that ideology. Zeev Sternhell is an incredible resource for understanding the cultural and nationalist forces behind these movements in Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    This is pointless without a definition of what you consider left or right.
    I somewhat disagree. In most cases most people seem to intuitively understand what you mean and intend to convey even without ever explicitly talking about or clarifying definitions at all. If we can avoid talking about definitions then we should when possible.

    One of the few exceptions I've come across is with conversations on consciousness, that's a topic where I struggle with the conversation if people don't clarify their definition.
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    Moderate.

    I don’t believe in abortion except in the case of rape or incest or harm to the mother, or if the baby will be born with some debilitating injury or disease that will be a burden their whole life.

    I believe in science. Masks, Vaccines, Climate Change, etc…

    I’m not very religious, but I accept their could be an afterlife. I haven’t died yet so I wouldn’t know.

    I think the rich should be taxed more. Even Warren Buffett says so.

    I believe in legal immigration, not just crossing the border willy nilly.

    I think certain guns shouldn’t be allowed. I’m fine with hunting rifles and shotguns, but no one needs access to pistols, revolvers, or assault rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Moderate.

    I don’t believe in abortion except in the case of rape or incest or harm to the mother, or if the baby will be born with some debilitating injury or disease that will be a burden their whole life.
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    Lmao that shit aint moderate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Moderate.

    I don’t believe in abortion except in the case of rape or incest or harm to the mother, or if the baby will be born with some debilitating injury or disease that will be a burden their whole life.

    I believe in science. Masks, Vaccines, Climate Change, etc…

    I’m not very religious, but I accept their could be an afterlife. I haven’t died yet so I wouldn’t know.

    I think the rich should be taxed more. Even Warren Buffett says so.

    I believe in legal immigration, not just crossing the border willy nilly.

    I think certain guns shouldn’t be allowed. I’m fine with hunting rifles and shotguns, but no one needs access to pistols, revolvers, or assault rifles.
    This is perfectly in keeping with the definition of moderate that includes people with a range of opinions on social issues spanning those traditionally associated with the left and those with the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Moderate.

    I don’t believe in abortion except in the case of rape or incest or harm to the mother, or if the baby will be born with some debilitating injury or disease that will be a burden their whole life.

    I believe in science. Masks, Vaccines, Climate Change, etc…

    I’m not very religious, but I accept their could be an afterlife. I haven’t died yet so I wouldn’t know.

    I think the rich should be taxed more. Even Warren Buffett says so.

    I believe in legal immigration, not just crossing the border willy nilly.

    I think certain guns shouldn’t be allowed. I’m fine with hunting rifles and shotguns, but no one needs access to pistols, revolvers, or assault rifles.
    Literally nothing you listed here was remotely left-wing in any way whatsoever, other than by comparison to the hard-right extremists. One point, on abortion, is hard-right extremist in nature.


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