Poll: Dou you lean Right or left?

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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    There is a hard reality that the current GOP is filled with bigots, homophobes, science deniers, and people who just want liberals to suffer. Someone who still identified as part of the GOP even if they don't hold those views themselves are somehow ok with it and are ok with aligning themselves to those people.

    For example:
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/08/polit...deo/index.html

    Just how many conservatives are going to call on him to resign?
    I never said people on the left that think they’re fairly maligning an entire portion of political groups wouldn’t double down when some of us roll their eyes at the attacks.

    People dividing politics from right and left to right and wrong goes back centuries, and demonization of political opponents has been a political strategy for just as long. It comes with the territory in political discussion, as does the ridicule.
    "I wish it need not have happened in my time." "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."

  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    You didn't read the books if you think that's the case.
    Yeah, tbh I am reading what @Endus wrote and I am kinda confused

    JK Rowling didnt invent the concept of goblins being greedy or of house elves :/ (We have greedy goblins in WoW in case anyone is forgetting)

    Id say her interpretations are far more progressive than what was at the time were house elves were seen as this happy go lucky creatures that just love doing chores or goblins just being ruthlessly greedy and nothing else. Its a more realistic and sympathetic spin on those concepts. Also anyone thinking JKR condoned slavery with Dobby is kinda of fooling themselves

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    lol.
    Just lol.
    I need no justification to like anything or anyone.
    Especially to internet randos.
    I have no problem saying I like Dave.
    I was using examples of how life isn't all black or white.
    Twist that into whatever you want lol.

    Sounds to me like you can't read.
    See how that works?

    Edit:
    I want to point out allllllll the other all in's I gave and you focused on that one lol.
    Then tried to read some weird thing into it.
    Projection or something something.
    And boy is that a weird interpretation of what I was saying.
    Someone who already admitted to watching his special on Netflix.
    People who don't like him usually don't watch him do they?
    And why would I care about justifying that to internet randos?

    Certainly sounds like a reading problem.
    Because you missed the entire point.
    Whether you like it or not, not everyone sees the left/right thing the way you do.
    It's a really simple point that some of you seem to not grasp.
    You are arguing that extremists aren't black and white to justify your like for an extremist. just lol indeed.

  4. #284
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post

    JK Rowling didnt invent the concept of goblins being greedy or of house elves :/ (We have greedy goblins in WoW in case anyone is forgetting)

    And how again does that excuse it if she still uses it?

  5. #285
    lel the kid is still at it.
    I've ignored all of like 2 people here and now him.
    The OG thing that started this was Doc saying one is a pillow, the other being shot in the face.

    I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    That's your analogy for that?
    It makes zero sense.

    I can't tell if you're suggesting that picking anything at anytime from the right is the same as being shot?
    Or are you claiming there shouldn't be a 3rd option?
    Like the analogy doesn't work in any form lol

    One party is a cotton pillow and the other is a shotgun?
    This is your response to them talking about things not being black and white?

    So if you're fiscally conservative, that's picking being shot in the face?
    Then:

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    I expect most people have a collection of opinions that would make it difficult to put them firmly in the left or right categories, and it's perfectly fine for them to reject the idea that they must always be either team red or team blue. Rejecting that idea doesn't render them incapable of making choices, nor is it a sign that they're abdicating any responsibilities that others may feel they have with regards to the communities and societies in which they live.
    Then:
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    It's not about the specific colours, it's about the principle.
    Then:
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Its not hard for me in America.

    I don't lean left, I'm fully 100% left.

    There's no blending of ideologies anymore in the US.

    Either you're racist, xenophobic, homophobic, sexist and think solely in terms of how X affects me and only me or you're left.
    Then:
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    Seems there are 2 thought schools here.

    One is if you in anyway like something from either side, you then fully support everything under that banner.
    Like it's Sith politics.
    Black or white.
    The other not so much and there's middle ground.

    I feel like this is when Endus disapproves of my reading HP cause of JKR.
    Or if someone buys from apple then therefore they automatically condone slave labor etc.

    Not saying either is right.
    Just seems to be how people are split.

    THIS was the convo chain that led to examples of other things in life not being black or white.
    Twisting any cherry picked examples is kindergarten shit when you MISSED the entire point.
    I wasn't the only one that said it either as I quoted Dark here too.
    Your responses are a joke.
    I bolded and italicised the OG question I posed about my uncle being right on money, left on everything else.
    I feel like I'm dealing with a karen.

  6. #286
    So defensive. You claimed a guy who is self identified as a radical anti-trans, isn't necessarily anti-trans. I called you out for that bullshit, as did others. Don't get angry at other's when you don't have a good point to make.

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollycakes View Post
    lel the kid is still at it.
    I've ignored all of like 2 people here and now him.
    The OG thing that started this was Doc saying one is a pillow, the other being shot in the face.

    I said:


    Then:



    Then:


    Then:


    Then:



    THIS was the convo chain that led to examples of other things in life not being black or white.
    Twisting any cherry picked examples is kindergarten shit when you MISSED the entire point.
    I wasn't the only one that said it either as I quoted Dark here too.
    Your responses are a joke.
    I bolded and italicised the OG question I posed about my uncle being right on money, left on everything else.
    I feel like I'm dealing with a karen.
    I commend you for aggroing them but you never realize that lots of people here only sees the world as black and white (pun intended) ?

    As for my political stance, I go from left to right and back to left depending of the subject.

  8. #288
    I’m of the intellectual elite, so left.

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    I’m of the intellectual elite, so left.
    Hail Satan! Catch you at the next masked covered, six feet apart, anti-America get together?

  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuujin View Post
    Hail Satan! Catch you at the next masked covered, six feet apart, anti-America get together?
    I don't believe in Satan, but that's because I'm educated.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana Violence View Post
    Well, it is ever the longterm strategy of the left to slowly start demonizing everything that doesn't fit their own view.

    Even syrup and meat are racist / bigoted / extremist nowadays.

    And we're coming for YOU next.

    This is why no one takes you seriously. lol

  12. #292
    I lean towards compassion, a general understanding that people who are different than me deserve to have equal rights and not be discriminated against, addressing issues by rationally considering the evidence, and being willing to change my mind as new evidence arises. If an expert in a field says one thing, and a politician says another, I'll believe the expert. I think we should care for our fellow human beings and the planet we're living on, because it's the only planet we have and we're all stuck on it together.

    I have learned as of the last 5 years or so living in the US that apparently makes me an evil socialist commie libtard, among other expletives.
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    Having the authority to do a thing doesn't make it just, moral, or even correct.

  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Yeah, I know about all the fucks up by Blair and his countless war crimes. Horrid human being.

    And I could give less of a shit why Corbyn lost because it does not change what the liberal/right-wing of labour did.
    Left-wing parties very rarely win in any European countries no matter what ideology they hold, people voting for self-interests(if they have an above average income) or just plain out idiotic reasons(the far right parties) is nothing new. And most people also don't care if the lifestyle they enjoy requires exploitation of poorer countries, neither do most people care about all the wars their country is involved in as long as it does not harm them directly. But none of this means those things are then okay.
    You obviously do give a shit because you were blaming the media for his loss. So far you've refused to acknowledge Corbyn's role in the enormous defeat he presided over, just as you refuse to acknowledge the good that Blair did here. But you are right that people generally act out of self interest. I tend to vote Labour, mostly because I feel they'd make my life better. I even voted for them in 2019, but they failed to make their case and deserved to lose, just as they will again if Keir Starmer can't get a grip.

  14. #294
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana Violence View Post
    I can't imagine any better and easier circumstances to win a lot of votes than being Labour with how completely fucked up the UK is at the moment with the Tories in charge.

    There are so many key issues that can be pointed out and criticized (caused by Brexit and/or Covid)...

    Willing to bet they just lose a lot of votes because they're focusing on identity politics and pointless social rights a bit too much instead of focusing on the key issues.
    You'd think so, but the Tories have provided the opposition with an open goal for years, and every time Labour fails to take advantage. They've suffered a string of leaders who don't have the killer instinct needed to demolish the government. On top of that they're faced with Boris. The British love a cheeky chap who can laugh and joke his way out of anything and it's a large part of his appeal, and Labour don't really have an effective counter for it at the moment, although there are signs that the public are becoming tired with Boris's fake joviality.

    And yeah, the identity politics BS is not an election winner. The British are actually quite a tolerant lot compared to most other countries in Europe, but if Labour revert to the SJW stereotype and indulge in identity navel gazing instead of addressing what people feel are the real issues facing society then it's only going to do them more harm.

  15. #295
    Odd that discussion of Chappelle's new special was in this thread of all places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    Odd that discussion of Chappelle's new special was in this thread of all places.
    Not really surprising. The pipeline of "failed comedian to political reactionary" is very real. Comedy Central started it, reddit and podcasts made it worse.

    It's great for people that want some socialisms, but are too entitled to let go of the bigoted jokes they grew up on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KuerbisgeschmackShake View Post
    Not really surprising. The pipeline of "failed comedian to political reactionary" is very real. Comedy Central started it, reddit and podcasts made it worse.

    It's great for people that want some socialisms, but are too entitled to let go of the bigoted jokes they grew up on.

    What does a philosopher who never had a career as a comedian have to do with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Centrism, the "I refuse to form an opinion" position. The "I oppose extremes but couldn't tell you whether any actual policy or proposal is 'extreme' or not" position. The "making decisions is hard so I'm going to pretend not making decisions is a valid choice" position.
    I think John Cleese put you and your right wing counterparts properly in the booth you deserve:


  19. #299
    Enough to the left for people in South Korea to accuse me of being a communist but here on mmo-champion people keep harping about how I'm either right wing or far right, quite funny contrast.

  20. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    Enough to the left for people in South Korea to accuse me of being a communist but here on mmo-champion people keep harping about how I'm either right wing or far right, quite funny contrast.
    That's because the left-right paradigm is misleading. People can wear they are totally on the left, while supporting ethno-nationalism and fascism. The same people who wanted to keep Muslims out, or in your case, black people out... swear that their support of socialized healthcare makes up for their toxic beliefs.

    It doesn't.

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