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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana Violence View Post
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    it is impressive that watching dumb you tube videos has turned posters on this site into authoritarian bootlickers in real time. (or full off nutjobs dacien etc)

    liberal democracies are still dominant globally. I give it a few more months before you start doing the 14 words.

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    I imagine going from a Bernie supporting "anarchist" to a theocratic fascist is quite the journey.
    thank god you climbed out of the peterson abyss. Its a personality type 'authoritarian follower'.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana Violence View Post
    You spelled anarcho-syndicalist wrong. I would still vote for Bernie. Let us also please not derail this thread into being about me. I said my piece and won't comment any further before i'm accused of trolling again because I have a different worldview.
    china and russia famously anarcho syndicalist.

    back on topic fuck texas.

    When it comes to lgtbq+ discussion if one side is saying 'we want equal rights' and the other side is saying 'no' its not a discussion its oppression. Simple stuff really.

    These little chips just to be cruel are bullshit ofc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana Violence View Post
    You spelled anarcho-syndicalist wrong. I would still vote for Bernie. Let us also please not derail this thread into being about me. I said my piece and won't comment any further before i'm accused of trolling again because I have a different worldview.
    Why should I take your word on how you'd like to identify when your commentary and the hills you choose to die on tell a different story, yet you won't return the favor to other people?

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    thank god you climbed out of the peterson abyss. Its a personality type 'authoritarian follower'.
    That's the funny thing about people who gobble up all these right-wing grifts, they claim to be open-minded and truth-seekers but you don't have to press them that hard to reveal that they're just reading from a script that was hand-fed to them by podcasters and youtube talking heads. You find they're not open-minded at all and dismiss counter-arguments quickly, despite not having invested any time whatsoever to understand those arguments. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but it's more than common for people who are radicalized by this slop to have strong struggles of identity, which people like Peterson gobble up. I used to roll my eyes when people like you pointed it out but all you have to do is spend a little time in his subreddit and see which podcasts and youtube shows he likes to visit for exposure to realize it's true.

    One minute they're talking about how crazy the leftists are and the next they're talking about borrowing practices from countries who practice gender apartheid all with no self-awareness at all.
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  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    I used to roll my eyes when people like you pointed it out but all you have to do is spend a little time in his subreddit and see which podcasts and youtube shows he likes to visit for exposure to realize it's true.
    I remember almost going down the war nerd/adam curtis/mark fisher rabbithole and then reading a few on point critiques and being like 'wow im so fucking dumb'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana Violence View Post
    Even if the entire next few new generations in the west would be complete progressives, it still wouldn't matter in the slightest. The majority of cultures and nations around the world would still not see eye to eye with them. Consequentially those foreign nations are also gaining more global influence. The golden age of western liberalism stopped somewhere in the early 2000s. You can't exactly say that the western world has been able to spread liberalism across the globe over the past few decades, on the contrary, conservative ideologies are instead gaining more support among more people and among more nations. Personally, I too would welcome the influence of such nations if it means suppressing progressive goals within our own western societies.
    I really, really don't give a shit about global liberalism or whatever the fuck your on about, and nothing actually points towards conservatism actually growing in every single nation. Rojava is still alive and kicking and the far right in europe, no matter how much you want it to grow, has pretty much been at the same level for like the last decade. Even if said far right just keeps getting more insane.


    As to your last question, I think we might gain more if we adopted some of their cultural practices and some of the core pillars of their society. Maybe then we might be able to get rid of this western rot called guilt. I guess you can call me open-minded and receptive to other cultures, the opposite of xenophobic. The West is not nearly respectful enough to these foreign cultures and nations. For further information you can read my signature.
    The problem with the western nations i the exact opposite, that they keep finding excuses to invade/mess with those countries, but you keep on supporting the exact same conservatives that want to continue doing this, i'm sure it'll work out.


    Or just move to Saudia Arabia to realize your dream of oppressing LGBT folk and Woman, seems easier because I don't see the central and western european nations turning back on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana Violence View Post
    You spelled anarcho-syndicalist wrong. I would still vote for Bernie. Let us also please not derail this thread into being about me. I said my piece and won't comment any further before i'm accused of trolling again because I have a different worldview.
    You must be the first Anarchist I ever met who loves China and Russia.
    I would advice against moving to China though, they tend to be rather hard on anarchists.
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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    You can’t really debate whether the action was appropriate (taking down a website to review its content when the website also included a suicide help number) within the strictures of these debate parameters.

    I’ll reserve judgement in this bash-fest on Texas, Republicans, and Abbott until more information comes out about who made the decision and any changes in the website and reporting following content review. I will however note that the website still features a number for Texas Youth Services, obviously able to direct callers to suicide hotline help.
    Bullshit.

    Who fucking cares what you or anyone else thinks about transgender anything.

    Its a suicide hotline for people wanting to kill themselves. It doesn't fucking matter what you think about gender.
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  7. #107
    Everything's bigger in Texas, especially the bigotry, racism, and insensitivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana Violence View Post
    Yeah, you just go ahead and ignore that the vast majority of the world doesn't agree with your opinion.
    The liberal opinion is a minority, and one that keeps growing smaller every day.
    In addition to what everyone else said; there was a time when the global majority were definitely pro-slavery. Or thought women weren't people.

    It didn't make them right. It just meant that majority were small-minded bigots.

    "Yeah, we're bigoted and unthinking, but there's more of US than YOU" is certainly . . . a take.


  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Yes, but only until they manage to make it legal to murder them.
    Well, the point is basically by these right-wingers to have enough kill themselves so the others feel unsafe to the point they don't come out. Then have them put in the military where they can die over in some corner of the world fighting that other group of people they don't like.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    And this will get them more votes?
    Well, after decades of homophobia....they figure that actually working to get the LGBTQ+ vote would be too hard...but it's really easy to appeal to the bigots.

    I mean, the attack point here is that Abbot is actually a "trans-advocate" because he wasn't being enough of a bigot. And his response is to bascially say "I'll show you how big of a bigot I can be". They are literally fighting over who hates transpeople more in order to secure the Republican Primary.

    And this is pretty common in Republican Primaries. They all run as far to the Right as they can to secure the primary...then they have to try and run back towards the centre a little to try and secure the General Election.

    A similar thing happens in the Democratic Primaries...but they don't have to go nearly so far to the left before they turn around back towards the centre. Because, despite what Fox News might say, the Democrat Party as a whole is not "Left-wing". At best they are centrists that occasionally lean left a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana Violence View Post
    Yeah, you just go ahead and ignore that the vast majority of the world doesn't agree with your opinion.
    The liberal opinion is a minority, and one that keeps growing smaller every day.
    I actually think a vast majority of the world would indeed agree that the US conservative movement is anti-trans.

    But thanks for just showing us how poorly you pay attention to what people are actually saying.
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    It's called resistance / rebellion.
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    Also, one day the tables might turn.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    I imagine going from a Bernie supporting "anarchist" to a theocratic fascist is quite the journey.
    Honestly, I'm just kinda convinced it's a character being played (poorly) with how on the nose it is in the post before yours.

    Or they've been successfully radicalised by the utter garbage we know they consume on the internet.

    I lean toward the first option.

    OT: Given how blatantly political a move this was, I don't actually see the real benefit. The people that support such an action were already most likely going to vote their way, anyway. It's kinda like preaching to the choir, surely. Even given the state of republicans at present, I can't imagine the majority would be against a helpline for suicidal people, no matter who those people are.

    Wait, no, I can imagine that last bit...
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  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Well, remember we're talking about a GOP primary. So it's a race to the bottom trying to attract those votes.
    Good point, well made.

    US politics (and many others, tbf) could really do with some kind of giant enema to flush out all the shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Good point, well made.

    US politics (and many others, tbf) could really do with some kind of giant enema to flush out all the shit.
    I don't know Trump's thoughts on Abbott offhand, but I'm assuming Abbott is trying to do this as a ploy to prove he's "Trump crazy" enough for the Trump crowd, as opposed to them deferring to some Trump-supporting candidate in the vote.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I don't know Trump's thoughts on Abbott offhand, but I'm assuming Abbott is trying to do this as a ploy to prove he's "Trump crazy" enough for the Trump crowd, as opposed to them deferring to some Trump-supporting candidate in the vote.
    The only problem Trump has with Abbott, or any GOP gov, is that they haven’t been doing enough recounts to show Trump has a reason to believe he isn’t a loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I don't know Trump's thoughts on Abbott offhand, but I'm assuming Abbott is trying to do this as a ploy to prove he's "Trump crazy" enough for the Trump crowd, as opposed to them deferring to some Trump-supporting candidate in the vote.
    What's happening is Abbot is getting Primaried by an even more "Trump-Crazy" dude...so now Abbot has to go that extra mile to prove tha the's the Trumpiest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    You can’t really debate whether the action was appropriate (taking down a website to review its content when the website also included a suicide help number) within the strictures of these debate parameters.

    I’ll reserve judgement in this bash-fest on Texas, Republicans, and Abbott until more information comes out about who made the decision and any changes in the website and reporting following content review. I will however note that the website still features a number for Texas Youth Services, obviously able to direct callers to suicide hotline help.
    The fact that you believe there's a discussion to be had about removing a SUICIDE HOTLINE just because it's for a subset of people you don't like is very telling.

    There is no discussion. Taking away someone's lifeline is evil. It's not bashing Texas and the GOP. The Texas GOP is evil, pure and simple. That's not up for debate.

    You can debate your feelings on gender on other web sites and with other people, since it's against the rules here. But at the very least you could admit that taking away a SUICIDE HOTLINE is evil no matter who it's for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    The fact that you believe there's a discussion to be had about removing a SUICIDE HOTLINE just because it's for a subset of people you don't like is very telling.

    There is no discussion. Taking away someone's lifeline is evil. It's not bashing Texas and the GOP. The Texas GOP is evil, pure and simple. That's not up for debate.

    You can debate your feelings on gender on other web sites and with other people, since it's against the rules here. But at the very least you could admit that taking away a SUICIDE HOTLINE is evil no matter who it's for.
    To play devil's advocate for a moment (and see my earlier posts if you think I'm not totally shitting on Abbott in general), there are reasons you might end such a service, legitimately. Maybe it's not being used, and you're staffing the call centers and nobody's calling. Maybe suicide rates have tanked and there's just little need. Maybe you're expanding some other system and rolling these services into the larger one. All valid options, in theory.

    The problem here is that Abbot's only apparent motive was being accused of supporting "trans ideology" whateverthefuck that means (I know; it's just coded language for "trans people just want to live their lives and that's bad to us conservative bigoted fuckstains"). That is why he's an evil, sadistic, bigoted shithead. It's not just that he removed the hotline, it really is why he removed it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    I dunno, I feel like you kinda missed my point there.

    It's less, "Fuck those kids, I hate kids." and more, "I know this is wrong, but I'm willing to harm these kids for the sake of votes."

    (Same goes for masks, vaccines, abortions, etc. The actual people in power know vaccines aren't a bad thing, but they're willing to do harm to their populace for the sake of those votes. They don't actually care about the fetus, but they're willing to do harm to women for the sake of votes.)

    The latter is much worse from where I'm sitting. It's not just ignorant or misguided. It's willfully doing harm - knowing that it's wrong - just for your own benefit.

    Maybe the difference is academic to some people, but I think it's a very important distinction to make. Assuming that they hate some group, or don't understand vaccines, or have an honestly held belief about a fetus' soul suggests that there's a discussion to be had. That you could enlighten them somehow, make them see their error, change their mind. But that's not going to happen, because it's not about their beliefs. It's about their willingness to do harm on a broad scale if they think it'll get them votes.
    Either way it is pure fucking evil to either intend to cause harm to kids because you hate them or causing kids pain in order to gain votes. This is one of those 6 of one, half a dozen of the either. No matter which way you slice it Republicans are pure fucking evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    To play devil's advocate for a moment (and see my earlier posts if you think I'm not totally shitting on Abbott in general), there are reasons you might end such a service, legitimately. Maybe it's not being used, and you're staffing the call centers and nobody's calling. Maybe suicide rates have tanked and there's just little need. Maybe you're expanding some other system and rolling these services into the larger one. All valid options, in theory.

    The problem here is that Abbot's only apparent motive was being accused of supporting "trans ideology" whateverthefuck that means (I know; it's just coded language for "trans people just want to live their lives and that's bad to us conservative bigoted fuckstains"). That is why he's an evil, sadistic, bigoted shithead. It's not just that he removed the hotline, it really is why he removed it.
    If they were closed due to lack of use, due to no one calling, and suicide rates having tanked, then that's when the search for hidden mass graves should start in heavy Trump states. Because the reason why would be very grim.
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