Schadenfreude: Told to Stay Home, GOP Voter Turnout Low

[Milchshake]

Is there a certain cosmic poetry when the Party that hate Democracy suffers from low voter turn out?

On Wednesday, the most popular figure in the GOP told his voter to stay home.


Looking at early voting return in the Virginia and New Jersey elections. Tom Bonier reports:

Wow. Either Republicans have functionally given up on voting before election day or their turnout in NJ this year is incredibly depressed (or both). Total GOP turnout thus far is equal to this same point in '19, while Dem turnout has doubled that benchmark.




Meanwhile, in VA, Dem turnout is roughly doubling GOP turnout thus far.



Curious to see how this plays out. Will anti-Trumpersim surge in 21 like it did in 17? GoP are still more likely to come out for in-person voting, will it be enogh?

[uuuhname]

I mean it might not actually matter how badly the GOP gerrymander the districts if their voters are either: A) dead from CVOID or B) been told by their golden idol that voting doesn't work. if they want to make themselves irrelevant then go right ahead, we'll all be better off.

[Edge-]

This isn't something to get giddy about (if you are someone who is not aligned with them). It is rather the dangerous (or welcome) indication of a rejection of the existing democratic systems more than anything else.

Hey, if they get angry because they chose not to vote and start breaking laws, well, we have consequences.

Sure it's a dangerous rejection of the democratic system, which is frankly very unsurprising from the Republican party, but thankfully our institutions have proven pretty resilient over the past four years.

[Kaleredar]

A non-voter turn-out and using their own measures to claim power instead might be the most typical and obvious step to take for non-democratic interest groups.

This isn't something to get giddy about (if you are someone who is not aligned with them). It is rather the dangerous (or welcome) indication of a rejection of the existing democratic systems more than anything else.

You, just like the other poster here who salivates over the thought of an American civil war and claims the only way to stop it is to give in to the caprices and whims of dangerous right wing fascists, continue to fail to understand one simple thing:

They just will not fear unjust.

If they choose to start getting violent, they will be put in their place.

[Machismo]

A non-voter turn-out and using their own measures to claim power instead might be the most typical and obvious step to take for non-democratic interest groups.

This isn't something to get giddy about (if you are someone who is not aligned with them). It is rather the dangerous (or welcome) indication of a rejection of the existing democratic systems more than anything else.

Is that why you voted for him, anti-democratic beliefs?

[Edge-]

Why would anyone support a system that only tries to ensure increasing inequality and the destruction of the middle classes?

When does the revolution start, fam?

[Elegiac]

Why would anyone support a system that only tries to ensure increasing inequality and the destruction of the middle classes?

You mean the middle class which was largely built up under the auspices of democratic systems? That middle class?

Trying to conflate the abortion that is the third way with democratic government as a whole is dishonest and silly. Especially when you've made it abundantly clear you don't give a fuck about inequality to begin with.

[Machismo]

Why would anyone support a system that only tries to ensure increasing inequality and the destruction of the middle classes?

That's literally what you voted for with Trump.

Weird...

[Levelfive]

Is there a certain cosmic poetry when the Party that hate Democracy suffers from low voter turn out?

On Wednesday, the most popular figure in the GOP told his voter to stay home.


Looking at early voting return in the Virginia and New Jersey elections. Tom Bonier reports:

Wow. Either Republicans have functionally given up on voting before election day or their turnout in NJ this year is incredibly depressed (or both). Total GOP turnout thus far is equal to this same point in '19, while Dem turnout has doubled that benchmark.




Meanwhile, in VA, Dem turnout is roughly doubling GOP turnout thus far.



Curious to see how this plays out. Will anti-Trumpersim surge in 21 like it did in 17? GoP are still more likely to come out for in-person voting, will it be enogh?

I'm actually concerned about Virginia. But given Trump's statement, and the fact that Youngkin is trying to have it both ways on the Big Lie, I just hope Democrats are trying all the things to make him answer as often as possible. Also, not going door to door hurt Dems badly in '20, but maybe with Abrams involved they'll have done better.

[Lenonis]

A non-voter turn-out and using their own measures to claim power instead might be the most typical and obvious step to take for non-democratic interest groups.

They can try all the coups they want, they'll just end up in prison. And if that's how the GOP wants to die that's fine with me.

[gondrin]

Why would anyone support a system that only tries to ensure increasing inequality and the destruction of the middle classes?

If Trump(or any rich autocrat) was for the middle class, what doesn't he pay his workers far more(sharing profits) instead of taking whatever profits for himself. I'm not saying he should get part of the profits as I expect any business owner should. However, Trump(and other rich autocrat business owner) likes to use immigrant as employees(either illegal or part of a visa program) as they can pay a lower wage then normal.

Hell, why doesn't he support and encourage unionization at his properties?

[Elegiac]

Those are all very good points, but there seems nobody else willing or capable of purposefully opposing or rather fighting the existing order. So we make do with what we got.

Yeah, never mind that the order they want to replace it with is worse.

This is a shitty and lazy excuse for supporting fascism.

[Draco-Onis]

Those are all very good points, but there seems nobody else willing or capable of purposefully opposing or rather fighting the existing order. So we make do with what we got.

So basically your plan is to burn the house down while you are in it not really a great plan.

[Elegiac]

So basically your plan is to burn the house down while you are in it not really a great plan.

Remember when Abigail Thorn basically summed up this type of politics in caricature form?

The Arsonist is basically a representation of fascism and the way its rhetoric can creep into conversations without people immediately realizing it (or realizing it at all). In "Steve Bannon", the Arsonist makes digs at socialists, trans people, and Jewish people. In "Abortion and Ben Shapiro", it's male control over women's bodies, but represented through the violinist case, during which we learn that the Arsonist's wife was murdered for seeking an abortion. In "Climate Grief", we see eco-fascism, pro-imperialism, etc.— the character implies at one point that no one was really there when settlers came to America but then later criticizes indigenous Americans as 'backward' before using the Fourteen Words (fascist slogan). "Charles Darwin vs Karl Marx" depicts the Arsonist as a eugenicist and a transphobe, and more than that, as one who blames other people's 'reproductive choices' as a reason for societal suffering, which is a line sometimes used by fascists, including eco-fascists, or racists. These are all demographics and topics picked up on by fascists, and like some of the smarter ones today, the Arsonist doesn't ever admit that they're lighting the fires or that they want certain people to die. It's just subtext you pick up on if you know what you're looking for.

The character is inspired by Max Frisch's 1953 German play The Arsonists. The play is set in a town which is regularly attacked arsonists who disguise themselves as travelling salesmen, talk their way into people's homes, and burn their houses down. The main character, Biedermann (bieder is a German word that roughly translates to "honest" or "upstanding"), is aware of all this at the beginning and is convinced that he could never be taken in by such an obvious grift. However, when the arsonists show up at his door, he is persuaded to let them spend the night in his attic, even helping them store tanks of petrol, and eventually provides them with the match that they use to burn his house down. The play is usually understood to be a parable for the rise of Nazism and fascism and how ordinary people can be tricked into supporting and committing acts of evil through intimidation and duplicity.

Hint: If someone is arguing that fascism is the best option for achieving change, they're probably a fascist looking for plausible deniability.

[Milchshake]

I'm actually concerned about Virginia. But given Trump's statement, and the fact that Youngkin is trying to have it both ways on the Big Lie, I just hope Democrats are trying all the things to make him answer as often as possible. Also, not going door to door hurt Dems badly in '20, but maybe with Abrams involved they'll have done better.

I'm frustrated with Virginia as well. The media has really been horseracing the shit out of this.
They spend a lot of coverage portraying Youngkin as some kind of centrist. Despite Youngkin being outloud with his Trump love. Or Youngkin bringing out a 1/6 Flag to a rally like a racist golden calf whistle.
They also ran some outlier polls with "Youngking close or tied" earlier this week.

Anyways, they did this shit four years ago with Gillespie. They desperately want the GOP to win to be entertained.

Sure, if people need Doomerism as motivation to vote, so be it. I prefer to highlight the cool shit that Virginia Dems have done with total control over the past four years. From Civil rights to insulin price regulation.

[Ivanstone]

Those are all very good points, but there seems nobody else willing or capable of purposefully opposing or rather fighting the existing order. So we make do with what we got.

Nobody represents the current order better than Trump: A lazy, racist plutocrat who would rather steal than earn an honest dollar.

[Xyonai]

>Be a sore loser who Cries about Elections being unfair.
>Use your own complaining to point out the failing of trust in Democracy
>Base Refuses to Vote because they've been told elections are unfair.
>Point to low Republican voter turn-out as some sort of systemic oppression.

This entire policy platform is some Scrub-Quotes shit that got way out of control.

[draynay]

Don't vote, don't wear a mask, inject yourself with bleach... nothing but great advice from Trump.

[Gestopft]

If they follow his advice, it would be a fantastic and welcome self-own by the GOP. I'm all for it!

[Egomaniac]

Hey, if they get angry because they chose not to vote and start breaking laws, well, we have consequences Cancel Culture.

Fixed that for you lol :P