I don't get it is Lordaeron now humanlands or undeadlands now?

[GreenJesus]

Last i looked it had been recently blighted around the capital, thus it might still be "no man's land" at least there.

But keep in mind that other factions like the scarlets, the scourge (which would be rampant about now), the twilight's hammer in the hills, naga near the shores and the argent dawn to the east all also inhabit or border the place, making it much more of a grand melee rather than just a horde vs. alliance thing.

As others mention we do know that the alliance won the warfronts, so i do expect that the alliance have at least managed to link up their territories up to aerie peak, and may have set their sights on gilneas or even andorhal as well, but we don't know what this means for the cursed lands of Tirisfal (especially given the abominations that still lurk underneath it, evidenced in the legion artefact quests).

Naga and scarlete? Bitch the horde and alliance defeated the burning legion. I think they can handle some naga.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Naga and scarlete? Bitch the horde and alliance defeated the burning legion. I think they can handle some naga.

Technically the horde and alliance didn’t do much during the legion it was all the natural factions that did all the work.

One could also argue that after a ton of loses during legion and then even more in bfa the horde and alliance would be weaker then they were pre legion even with the allied races.

[mickybrighteyes]

from the imediate city as it was plague bombed, what you expect them to ahng around lmao, after it disspates or is magiced away its theirs, ideally it would be cleared of the filth of its former inhabitants (actual filth not the inhabitants)

You're trying toa ssert conquest was held and therefore the rightful claim despite the fact that no forces maintained their position =/

Pretty flimsy claim.

[Powerogue]

"I don't get it is Lordaeron now humanlands or undeadlands now?"

Neither. Deadlands.

Right burnt.

I like to think there's one scarlet crusader that managed to make it out alive planting a flag on the burnt, plagued wasteland saying "hah, told you guys we'd win!"

[Sorrowseer]

You're trying toa ssert conquest was held and therefore the rightful claim despite the fact that no forces maintained their position =/

Pretty flimsy claim.

Not at all, I think you do not understannd that owning the lands around an abanonded city also includes owning the city, but thats ok.

[sam86]

Why because of the real world laws for land ownership? Its alliances by right of conquest.

then why alliance qq rivers when horde took lands in cata to actually balance number of lands owned by faction? lorewise alliance dominate far more lands than horde, while both sides have 1 alien race and rest are natives, heck horde have trolls who existed prior to any other race in wow in first place

[Ticj]

Technically the horde and alliance didn’t do much during the legion it was all the natural factions that did all the work.

One could also argue that after a ton of loses during legion and then even more in bfa the horde and alliance would be weaker then they were pre legion even with the allied races.

well, yes and no. I believe it was said at some point that the two factions were busy defending the EK & Kalimdor so the order halls were at the forefront in the broken isles

[Ersula]

Blizzard doesn't get it either. The status of Lordaeron hasn't been established in official lore. Everything else is speculation and fan fiction.

What we know is that the Alliance won both Arathi and Darkshore warfronts.

Almost nobody did every single war campaign quest so its okay if you didn't see this & return the Tirisfal zone to normal. But how they're going to defend Lordaeron is another question entirely. Seems like the percursor to Forsaken Elf allied races. But maybe just chalk that up to content they built up & never followed through on.

[Trumpcat]

Almost nobody did every single war campaign quest so its okay if you didn't see this & return the Tirisfal zone to normal. But how they're going to defend Lordaeron is another question entirely. Seems like the percursor to Forsaken Elf allied races. But maybe just chalk that up to content they built up & never followed through on.

That's very interesting, thanks for showing it. Unfortunately that's another of the many plot lines they open and leave for years. If Derek and Calia position as Forsaken leaders that will be two members of very prominent Alliance aligned families in the Horde leadership. They keep diminishing the faction separation, yet they keep maintaining it's a staple of the franchise. It is still unclear what's the status of Lordaeron. The Alliance took it back, Sylvanas blighted the Undercity and status is unknown.

[Sorrowseer]

then why alliance qq rivers when horde took lands in cata to actually balance number of lands owned by faction? lorewise alliance dominate far more lands than horde, while both sides have 1 alien race and rest are natives, heck horde have trolls who existed prior to any other race in wow in first place

Not sure what you mean by qqing over lands in cata, you mean crying because they took some in cataclysm? Not sure what that has to do with this.

[Feanoro]

then why alliance qq rivers when horde took lands in cata to actually balance number of lands owned by faction?

In no small part because of the presentation via the new Alliance quests, which were variants of HAHA LOSER, with one where you're sent out gathering bear asses per normal and when you return, the camp is burned to the ground and everyone is dead by the Horde. "If only you had been there, hero. Oh well, slink off to the next zone with your tail between your legs."

Yeah, what's not to enjoy? /sarcasm

[Ardenaso]

west side is Forsaken lands and belong to the Horde; east side is Argent Crusade lands and are neutral at best

[Varodoc]

Canonically it remains Contested.

The Alliance controls Stromgarde and the Arathi Highlands after their victory at the end of the Battle of Stromgarde, they have also reoccupied the ruins of Southshore, Shadowfang Keep, and Fenris Keep. Under Regent Turalyon, they look to expand their control in the area by reoccupying other former holdings of the Alliance, after the success at Stromgarde.

The Horde remains in control of most of Tirisfal, minus Lordaeron Keep, Brill, and its surroundings which are plagued and burned, and the Scarlet Monastery which obviously remains hostile to both factions. It has also reoccupied the ruins of Alterac and Strahnbrad.

There will likely be tensions in the future in this area; as the Alliance under Regent Turalyon might conduct border skirmishes against Horde forces in Alterac and Strahnbrad to retake these former holdings of the Alliance. But there will not be a full-blown war, there will simply be border skirmishes and a sort of "cold war" state, not too differently from the many skirmishes between Tarren Mill and Southshore in Vanilla.

[Rhlor]

I think its largely contested, the forsaken havent returned to the Undercity yet, though they've expressed desire to. The horde has some considerable military holdouts in Alterac, but the Alliance is the dominant force in the region with the forsaken forces in shambles, shattered and scattered, with the Alliance in possession of Gilneas and Stromgarde again, with a buffer & control over Hillsbrad, with the ability to quickly deploy to Tirisfal.

The Alliance just has too many strong holdings in the area for the forsaken to logically hold it if it came to conflict, unless they are able to unite their diaspora that was cast to the wind with the fall of the Undercity to return and reclaim the city, and stabilize their position.

This might be easier said than done with a resurgent Scarlet presence in northern Lordaeron, as the city becomes habitable again, there will be a mad dash by Turalyon's Stormwind, the Forsaken, and the Scarlets to take control of the strategically and symbolically important city.

Derek is guiding the ships that are taking the undeads to lordaeron.

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That's very interesting, thanks for showing it. Unfortunately that's another of the many plot lines they open and leave for years. If Derek and Calia position as Forsaken leaders that will be two members of very prominent Alliance aligned families in the Horde leadership. They keep diminishing the faction separation, yet they keep maintaining it's a staple of the franchise. It is still unclear what's the status of Lordaeron. The Alliance took it back, Sylvanas blighted the Undercity and status is unknown.

calia represents the forsaken in the council of the horde

[Aucald]

calia represents the forsaken in the council of the horde

Lillian Voss is actually the current interim representative of the Forsaken on the Horde Council - Calia Menethil acts as a counselor to the Forsaken, and presumably an aide or majordomo for Voss. Voss has intimated she would promote Calia at some future point, viewing her as more ideal for the role, but this has yet to canonically occur.

[Moozart]

Lillian Voss is actually the current interim representative of the Forsaken on the Horde Council - Calia Menethil acts as a counselor to the Forsaken, and presumably an aide or majordomo for Voss. Voss has intimated she would promote Calia at some future point, viewing her as more ideal for the role, but this has yet to canonically occur.

I have a feeling that by the time we get back to Azeroth it may have.

[Aucald]

I have a feeling that by the time we get back to Azeroth it may have.

Possibly, but that's still something to be determined when it becomes canon knowledge. For now, though; Voss remains the leader for the Forsaken with Calia only in a supporting role, despite her current prominence in the story.

[Ersula]

There are no Lordareonian aristocrats left alive. They're all either dead or Forsaken.

Turalyon is from Lordaeron & probably whomever is currently running the Scarlet Crusade

[united]

Turalyon is from Lordaeron & probably whomever is currently running the Scarlet Crusade

So like 4 people then, unless they do a retcon.

[Khaza-R]

then why alliance qq rivers when horde took lands in cata to actually balance number of lands owned by faction? lorewise alliance dominate far more lands than horde, while both sides have 1 alien race and rest are natives, heck horde have trolls who existed prior to any other race in wow in first place

Arguable on of the worst things Cata did.

Zones were pretty equal in Vanilla. Sure Alliance had access to zones like Stonetalon and 1k Needles in Vanilla but they more or less functioned as Horde zones. Of course there's also the disparity in dungeons to remember. Other than VC the early dungeons largely favor Horde and the late dungeons favor Alliance.