McCree Renamed to Cole Cassidy

[Indigenously Abled]

Imagine idolizing a murderer. That's what he's now named after. You consider that an improvement?

That's a dangerous line of thinking in this climate my child. You're coming too close to exposing their duplicity.

[Ehrenpanzer]

I mean I get why they had to rename the guy, wasn't he named after some sexual predator? That's a pretty big yikes. So of course it's expected that they would change the name. Who cares?

I didn't say I detected any outrage in your post though, I just quoted it for its use of the word cringe tbh sry for the miscommunication, and you know this thread is about to get bombarded by those faux outrage people.



Yes, and?

The funny part is they named it after a pornstar now...

[qwerty123456]

That's right. He literally did nothing.

He didn't stop it. He didn't stand up for his employees. He didn't look into complaints. He didn't suggest that perhaps the "Cosby Suite" was grossly inappropriate, both in name and purpose. He didn't stop himself from inviting other people to the suite. He didn't do anything to stop the toxic "frat boy" culture that he and his friends developed.

He may not have done anything, but there's plenty he didn't do.

You mean like pretty much every other male and female employee working at Blizzard? Well except for Brack who fired Afrasiabi and those that were sexually harassed and reported it.

[Darkeon]

I see the men at Blizzard are also that of culture. I too am very fond of Cassidy Cole.

[plz delete account]

There's pictures of him with supposed victims, and flight manifests that show they were on planes to his private island, and they have his actual island, as evidence.

For McCree, all they have is a picture of him with his coworkers in a hotel suite, and screenshots of saying edgy sexual things, and he has no accusers.

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Even if you praise bank robbery, why do you keep neglecting all of the murder him and his gang committed. If you set aside the known bank robbery, and known murders, that still is much worse than the completely unsubstantiated sexual assault allegations.

MOST of that murder was in self defense, tbh

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

I love how casually people throw around the word "rapey" in this thread.

Not casual at all.

[Cwimge]

I love it. If McCree is "problematic" this sounds legitimately fucking racist

[uuuhname]

lol how does the new name sound racist?

IDK I guess generic American name is racist now.

[Nightstalker]

Who are the outraged people at this point anyway?

[crakerjack]

Maybe next time they’ll not allow devs names to be incorporated into their games. It’s like all the stupid ass statues of egotistical people all throughout America. How about we don’t idolize and glorify people unless they’re an absolutely polished specimen, which is almost never.

[Barendon]

That's right. He literally did nothing.

He didn't stop it. He didn't stand up for his employees. He didn't look into complaints. He didn't suggest that perhaps the "Cosby Suite" was grossly inappropriate, both in name and purpose. He didn't stop himself from inviting other people to the suite. He didn't do anything to stop the toxic "frat boy" culture that he and his friends developed.

He may not have done anything, but there's plenty he didn't do.

Do you have any evidence that the cosby suite was actually used in any way inappropriately during his association with the cosby suite?
Do you know whether he did or did not look into complaints he has received?
Do you know the suite's purpose to him? Does the name matter for that room's purpose?
Did anyone else stop the toxic "frat boy" culture that he and his friends developed? They should all have been fired and erased from the company's records, men and women employees alike that knew about this culture ensuing and not doing anything about it, right?
Can you refute Greg Street's comment on the group chat photo? https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/sta...11905886531585

You're great at retrospectively preaching about what people should've done without any information, insight nor evidence. I am also sure you're a highly moral person that upholds the highest of values at all times. Good for you.

[Devilyaki]

Can you explain why Blizz has fallen that low when they remove anecdotes to raper bastard or are you just a degenrated keyboard hero that has to share his hate because you are pretty dumb?

Redoing lore cause of out of game bs is rather sad. Nothing about the character was wrong. At this rate it will just be blocks with numbers for name so it won’t offend the snowflakes.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Redoing lore cause of out of game bs is rather sad. Nothing about the character was wrong. At this rate it will just be blocks with numbers for name so it won’t offend the snowflakes.

What attachment do you have to a name? Isn't a rose a rose by any other name?

You're also essentially just defending a rapey pervert to "own the snowflakes." Grats?

[Indigenously Abled]

So after the name change goes live, will we be summarily disciplined for harassment/problematic behavior if we accidentally deadname the character?

[exochaft]

Maybe next time they’ll not allow devs names to be incorporated into their games. It’s like all the stupid ass statues of egotistical people all throughout America. How about we don’t idolize and glorify people unless they’re an absolutely polished specimen, which is almost never.

I will agree that you shouldn't idolize and glorify people, because no one is perfect. However, you can erect statues, monuments, etc. with the likeness of people associated with historical events in order to remember and preserve history. Whether one worships said statues/monuments as idols is a completely separate matter, and it varies from person to person. Remembering history, warts and all, is way better than hiding it or scrubbing it clean... otherwise, there's less of a chance people will learn from it and be doomed to repeat it.

This is why, regardless of the context with the game, I tend towards not changing references. The reality that McCree being named McCree is not offensive at all, people just choose to associate it with the developer from whence it came and his actions. If it was a real-life recreating of the developer down to his problematic behavior, you might have a case, but names are reused and not unique. If the name was actually offensive language, I could see potentially changing it. However, the way all these changes are going down is just insanely superficial, and it's more akin to the devs making idols out of themselves when it comes to making changes nowadays. I suppose it's nothing new, it's just being executing in a different way.

Anyways, I would've preferred Colton over Cole. I suppose they're technically similar in meaning, but I'm waiting for someone to complain about the meaning or potential interpretation of the name due to their etymological roots. I'm certain there's someone out there crazy enough to say that the name is basically black-face via innuendo.

[Devilyaki]

What attachment do you have to a name? Isn't a rose a rose by any other name?

You're also essentially just defending a rapey pervert to "own the snowflakes." Grats?

Didn't see it as defending some dude at blizzard, just don't think changing a characters name is productive way of bring change. But it must work, all blizzard past wrongs are fix now. I am sure if you look over the character of Cassidy they pulled the name from there be stuff to sjw over, the dude was made in 1904, a good year known for how well they treated women right? But you want to defend misogyny I guess.. grats?

[Indigenously Abled]

Wait I missed this. Which pornstar is he named after? I need to know...for science you see.

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I sure hope so! If nothing else, but for the golden threads that would be made here thereafter.

My popcorn budget is already razor thin, I don't think I could handle it!

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Didn't see it as defending some dude at blizzard, just don't think changing a characters name is productive way of bring change. But it must work, all blizzard past wrongs are fix now. I am sure if you look over the character of Cassidy they pulled the name from there be stuff to sjw over, the dude was made in 1904, a good year known for how well they treated women right? But you want to defend misogyny I guess.. grats?

Yes, all you are doing is defending the reference to a rapey harasser. And why, exactly?

Cole and or Cassidy, whoever Blizzard means to reference there, are long dead. This person in question is not, and their action are still having effects on people.

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I will agree that you shouldn't idolize and glorify people, because no one is perfect. However, you can erect statues, monuments, etc. with the likeness of people associated with historical events in order to remember and preserve history. Whether one worships said statues/monuments as idols is a completely separate matter, and it varies from person to person. Remembering history, warts and all, is way better than hiding it or scrubbing it clean... otherwise, there's less of a chance people will learn from it and be doomed to repeat it.

This is why, regardless of the context with the game, I tend towards not changing references. The reality that McCree being named McCree is not offensive at all, people just choose to associate it with the developer from whence it came and his actions. If it was a real-life recreating of the developer down to his problematic behavior, you might have a case, but names are reused and not unique. If the name was actually offensive language, I could see potentially changing it. However, the way all these changes are going down is just insanely superficial, and it's more akin to the devs making idols out of themselves when it comes to making changes nowadays. I suppose it's nothing new, it's just being executing in a different way.

Anyways, I would've preferred Colton over Cole. I suppose they're technically similar in meaning, but I'm waiting for someone to complain about the meaning or potential interpretation of the name due to their etymological roots. I'm certain there's someone out there crazy enough to say that the name is basically black-face via innuendo.

You didn't make a valid defense for why the name should be kept at all.

"Theres less of a chance people will learn from it ..." doesn't even make sense. Do you think people will suddenly stop remembering what this dude did because they took his video game reference away?

Sorry, this post isn't a good one and you should rethink it.

[Thelyron]

imagine idolizing a sexual abuser.

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eh i dont think it will be that bad, although i am not sure how much of the merch has the name of him on it, the only overwatch stuff i have is the bastion, and hammond lego sets cause i enjoy lego once in awhile, and they are cool charecters.

I'm not idolizing anyone, i just seperate art from artist, like a sane human being.

[Hctaz]

you say that, but the dude literally named a races major city after himself, aswell as many many other things, is it rerally surprising? i mean look at the list, and its hilarious how egotistical these devs were.

Sure if i was a dev i would add an NPC with my name.

but some of these blokes had MULTIPLE things named after them every expansion.
i mean alex had something like 30 things named after him.

A lot of people did though. There's a whole WoWhead list from 2014 https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzar...-in-wow-226830
One of the first things they even post is that these in game references are not something put in by the devs themselves, but rather other devs putting the references in as a joke. So Jeff Kaplan could have put in all the stuff about Alex Afrasiabi and we wouldn't know who did what. You can't just state something like that without knowing the truth behind it first.