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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    Tell the bolded bit to the trans community. ������
    Sheesh, that was a tactical nuke of truth.

    OT: I'll continue calling McCree.. well... McCree. Because that's who he is and will always be.
    You think you don't, but you do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilithvia View Post
    would've been much cooler to get McCowboy Dude
    I still woulda went with The Man with No Name, personally. Hell, they coulda recreated this, replacing "Shane" with "McCree".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    They trimmed his beard and turned him from an American to a Mexican...
    Him being Latino was already a widespread piece of fanon, so...

    Does it really impact your enjoyment of the game?

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    OT: I'll continue calling McCree.. well... McCree. Because that's who he is and will always be.
    I thought y'all respected the artistic integrity of creators?

    Isn't that what you keep saying whenever people push for inclusivity? "Artistic integrity"? Or are only certain people allowed to demand things of canon?
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    They're not the ones whinging that they can't play a character named after a sex pet, so...

    Y'all are missing the point entirely. Changes of this sort are not for you, they are a message to other sex pests that they won't have their contributions or memories honored.

    And I'll say it again; were it not for the context in which these changes were occurring, it's likely you would neither notice nor care. It's not about what is being changed, it's about who's doing it and why. So you're really just telling on yourselves by getting butthurt that fiction is a narrative construct wherein characters do things because the authors say they do.
    But they are whining that's why they HAD to change the name.

    Except the real McCree wasn't a sex pest. He said shit in a private group chat while joking. He never laid his hands on a real person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    Except the real McCree wasn't a sex pest. He said shit in a private group chat while joking. He never laid his hands on a real person.
    You mean aside from the fact there were pictures of him in the Cosby Suite in addition to said disgusting text messages. Sure, Jan.

    Rofl. Seems like it's not the name change you're upset about, dude, it's that bro culture might have consequences.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    I'll never understand the logic behind this. The Overwatch character wasn't the one committing the crime. I don't play Overwatch, but if I did, I'd keep on calling him McCree just because of how stupid this whole deal is. If the real McCree is guilty, punish him. Punishing the name itself makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    But they are whining that's why they HAD to change the name.
    Citation needed.

    Last I recall this was a unilateral decision on behalf of Blizzard and in-line with previous actions against contributors accused of harassment. Maybe get off Twitter for a bit.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    You mean aside from the fact there were pictures of him in the Cosby Suite in addition to said disgusting text messages. Sure, Jan.

    Rofl.
    So, he's guilty of nothing, right? He didn't commit a crime, neither did any of the guys there. And until a crime is proven they're not guilty of anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    The name you are apparently attached to is lol.

    And if you didn't know now you know playa.
    The real scare comes from knowing that you share your name with at least one, if not several, sexual predators (assuming you are not one your self)
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    Everyone hated BC, everyone hated Wrath, everyone hated Cata and everyone will hate MoP. MoP will become the new worst expansion and Al'akir or BoT will become the new "last good raid" or something stupid like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    You're now blocked. Told you I was done with you. You want to pick fights over minute details as if this is the fucking presidential debate on a gaming forum.
    Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    So, he's guilty of nothing, right? He didn't commit a crime, neither did any of the guys there. And until a crime is proven they're not guilty of anything.
    Aside from giving the company a bad image and helping contribute to a toxic work environment, you mean? You'll have to take that up with the State of California.

    Again I'll ask how this actually impacts your ability to play or enjoy the game.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Citation needed.

    Last I recall this was a unilateral decision on behalf of Blizzard and in-line with previous actions against contributors accused of harassment. Maybe get off Twitter for a bit.
    Sure. I mean that's generally the idea behind all of the censoring and name changes. They changed Macaree, too. Not to mention all the other even seemingly racist or sexual things in wow. I.e. "greenskins" or the flirts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Aside from giving the company a bad image and helping contribute to a toxic work environment, you mean? You'll have to take that up with the State of California.

    Again I'll ask how this actually impacts your ability to play or enjoy the game.
    I'm asking you to answer that question, because you're in favor of them doing such thing in the first place.

    Video game devs don't change other historical names to wash away their crimes.

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    A Forbes opinion piece is not evidence of all trans people demanding these changes, dude. Don't be daft.

    I mean that's generally the idea behind all of the censoring and name changes. They changed Macaree, too. Not to mention all the other even seemingly racist or sexual things in wow. I.e. "greenskins" or the flirts.
    Which are, as said, unilateral actions on behalf of Blizzard and reek of malicious compliance anyway.

    But at the end of the day these changes are entirely cosmetic ones, not mechanical or narrative ones. Getting buttmad about it is kinda gauche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    [I'm asking you to answer that question, because you're in favor of them doing such thing in the first place.
    Lol, where have I said this?

    I'm explaining the likely reasons for their actions. Personally, I would have been fine if McCree had just finally tied the knot with Hanzo and become Jesse Shimada. The only damnatio memoriae I actually support is excising Afrasiabi, but my dislike of him precedes the recent allegations anyway.

    Video game devs don't change other historical names to wash away their crimes.
    Maybe because historical figures weren't coworkers with the current team of developers. Lil bit of a difference there.
    Last edited by Elegiac; 2021-10-22 at 09:34 PM.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    But now he can be Cole Casserole and that rolls of the tongue better.

    Although I guess Joel works fine for that too
    His initials are CC now, so I'mma just call him CiCi.

    /s
    Now you see it. Now you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuben View Post
    His initials are CC now, so I'mma just call him CiCi.

    /s
    Cole "Crowd Control" Cassidy.

    You know, it's kind of growing on me even if it does sound like a pornstar's name. Lol.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    Brilliant name change.

    Change the name from one of the developers who said perverted things in a private group chat, to the name of two well known train and bank robbers.

    Peak stupidity.
    Yeah Idk why they didn't go with a more "heroic" cowboy name unless they are going to have him go back to being a criminal. Also love all the people in the thread who are supportive of the name change completely ignorant that he is now partially named after someone who has done much worse than saying a few inappropriate things to his friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Cole "Crowd Control" Cassidy.

    You know, it's kind of growing on me even if it does sound like a pornstar's name. Lol.
    Ex-pornstar, he loses his "crowd control" in OW2.
    Now you see it. Now you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    A Forbes opinion piece is not evidence of all trans people demanding these changes, dude. Don't be daft.



    Which are, as said, unilateral actions on behalf of Blizzard and reek of malicious compliance anyway.

    But at the end of the day these changes are entirely cosmetic ones, not mechanical or narrative ones. Getting buttmad about it is kinda gauche.

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    Lol, where have I said this?

    I'm explaining the likely reasons for their actions. Personally, I would have been fine if McCree had just finally tied the knot with Hanzo and become Jesse Shimada. The only damnatio memoriae I actually support is excising Afrasiabi, but my dislike of him precedes the recent allegations anyway.



    Maybe because historical figures weren't coworkers with the current team of developers. Lil bit of a difference there.
    Not trans people, but people complaining in general. And the Forbes shows that it's common knowledge the accusations are the reason.

    Well, the mccree name change is Canon, look at the op. Mechanically no difference.

    Malicious compliance and catering to people that don't even play the game. Most of the people complaining about the "Cosby room" don't play they game. And the investigation by California is a clear money grab by the state and all the independent groups that will be hired by Blizzard to inspire diversity and equity"

    I don't think them being devs that work there matter. I'm sure plenty of christians work on Diablo and plenty of Jews worked on Wolfenstein.

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Dequanacus View Post
    The real scare comes from knowing that you share your name with at least one, if not several, sexual predators (assuming you are not one your self)
    lmao omg WHAT???

    Is this like, "Oh your name is Smith and I know a Smith who diddled a kid are you a diddler too?" Thank you for weirdo take and laugh Sorry that I scare you.

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    Oh, this is awfully glorious.

    The resident inquisitor spent days on end on the main controversy thread arguing about the importance of aesthetic representation and how it fuels toxic cultures, and in the space of a couple of posts, we are told that:

    - Being upset over cosmetic changes is ridiculous
    - That these changes are essentially "preaching to the choir"
    - And that context matters to the arguments being made.

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zuben View Post
    Ex-pornstar, he loses his "crowd control" in OW2.
    That's honestly far more annoying than anything in this thread lol.

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