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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by white snickers View Post
    Alright, someone explain this to me.

    This Jesse McCree guy, the worst he has done is apparently to be in that cosby picture and in some chat where they were joking about Alex wanting to have his way with Kozak's wife.

    Cole Cassidy most certainly is a reference to Butch Cassidy, who was a train and bank robber, a leader of a criminal gang, probably having killed people, or at least involved with people, who have killed.

    Why is it ok to honor this man, by naming the character after him?

    Which one of the two has done the most moral wrong?
    Or, which one was named after a black mark on the company. Someone who they fired and no longer want a character in the game referencing. Because that's the point. Sure, they could've picked a more heroic person, but you're probably not focused on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    yes? like, being a criminal who robs rich people is something to aspire to.
    The funny thing is that the people complaining that "Butch Cassidy was a murderer and a thief" don't actually give a shit about characters in their media being named after bad people.

    It's literally grasping at straws to try and rationalize being butthurt that a group they dislike is (apparently) being catered to, that's all. And what is rationalization, after all, but an attempt to make our feelings contagious?
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  3. #123
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    Yes, and?
    You cared.
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    Since Arthas used Frostmourne, which is a Runeblade, and Frostmourne's power eminates from those runes, that made him a Runemaster by default.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moose Fandango View Post
    Or, which one was named after a black mark on the company. Someone who they fired and no longer want a character in the game referencing. Because that's the point. Sure, they could've picked a more heroic person, but you're probably not focused on that.
    as I pointed out earlier Cassidy is the name of a famous outlaw and wouldn't you know it. Cole was at one point an outlaw, so.... it makes total sense to go with that for the cowboy character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    I'm not complaining either.
    You've spent the past few pages manifestly outraged and lashing out at minorities for no reason, so...

    Then why do i care? Because people like you want to whitewash stuff.
    But you've already admitted that it doesn't actually impact your enjoyment of the game.

    So again, I ask... Why do you care?

    You saw the Forbes article right? They don't play overwatch.
    I wasn't aware one person authoring an opinion piece on Forbes constitutes everyone who's upset about the Cosby Suite.

    Yeah, the devil and Hitler don't hit close to Christians and Jews at all. Ffs.
    You do realise there's a big difference in how those things are framed in said media versus how Jesse McCree is framed, right?

    Probably not.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    The funny thing is that the people complaining that "Butch Cassidy was a murderer and a thief" don't actually give a shit about characters in their media being named after bad people.

    It's literally grasping at straws to try and rationalize being butthurt that a group they dislike is (apparently) being catered to, that's all. And what is rationalization, after all, but an attempt to make our feelings contagious?
    the group being catered to in this instance is.... not sex pests...

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moose Fandango View Post
    Or, which one was named after a black mark on the company. Someone who they fired and no longer want a character in the game referencing. Because that's the point. Sure, they could've picked a more heroic person, but you're probably not focused on that.
    how was he a black mark? as opposed to a literal criminal

    they're still honoring a criminal with the new character name, how is that ok?

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by white snickers View Post
    how was he a black mark? as opposed to a literal criminal

    they're still honoring a criminal with the new character name, how is that ok?
    Jesus Christ dude do you do this for every character named after someone infamous?

  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    the group being catered to in this instance is.... not sex pests...
    It's funny how they can't substantiate their position about these cosmetic changes without launching into a tirade that reveals highly reactionary social and political beliefs.

    If it were not for the context in which these changes were taking place, they probably wouldn't care. I suspect people facing consequences for saying disgusting things in a group chat or helping contribute to a toxic work environment hits a little too close to home. It's not that there's nothing wrong with it, to them, it's that they psychologically have to tell themselves that it isn't wrong or else that would force them to reevaluate their behavior and complicity. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
    Last edited by Elegiac; 2021-10-22 at 10:19 PM.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by white snickers View Post
    how was he a black mark? as opposed to a literal criminal

    they're still honoring a criminal with the new character name, how is that ok?
    If you can't see why, then I have no reason to think you even care about the reference to Butch and thus you're just complaining about McCree being renamed.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    It's funny how they can't substantiate their position about these cosmetic changes without launching into a tirade that reveals highly reactionary social and political beliefs.

    If it were not for the context in which these changes were taking place, they probably wouldn't care. I suspect people facing consequences for saying disgusting things in a group chat hits a little too close to home.
    without the context of what's happening at blizzard these changes wouldn't be happening at all... yeah, just really cannot help but be upset over creeps being kicked to the curb for some reason...

  12. #132
    He'll always be McCree to me. I didn't even know he was even named after a Blizzard employee until it was pointed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    It's funny how they can't substantiate their position about these cosmetic changes without launching into a tirade that reveals highly reactionary social and political beliefs.

    If it were not for the context in which these changes were taking place, they probably wouldn't care. I suspect people facing consequences for saying disgusting things in a group chat or helping contribute to a toxic work environment hits a little too close to home. It's not that there's nothing wrong with it, to them, it's that they psychologically have to tell themselves that it isn't wrong or else that would force them to reevaluate their behavior and complicity. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
    You don't see how whitewashing someones name from their work is reactionary? The irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    You don't see how whitewashing someones name from their work is reactionary?
    No dude, "reactionary" has a specific definition and does not just mean 'a stance that is a reaction to something'.

    Then again, you keep using "whitewashing" incorrectly as well, so... (Hint: It is not a direct synonym for 'censorship')
    Last edited by Elegiac; 2021-10-22 at 10:28 PM.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    The funny thing is that the people complaining that "Butch Cassidy was a murderer and a thief" don't actually give a shit about characters in their media being named after bad people.

    It's literally grasping at straws to try and rationalize being butthurt that a group they dislike is (apparently) being catered to, that's all. And what is rationalization, after all, but an attempt to make our feelings contagious?
    That's not what people are saying. They are saying if you feel you need to change a name because the person they are named after did something you don't like or was really bad don't fucking rename it after someone a thousand times worse. You own the Washington Redskins and feel the name is offensive and so want to change it that's fine go ahead and do so, just don't change it to someone worse like Washington Subhuman Savages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    That's not what people are saying. They are saying if you feel you need to change a name because the person they are named after did something you don't like or was really bad don't fucking rename it after someone a thousand times worse.
    The answer to which is, again, temporal proximity is a factor. I wasn't aware that Butch Cassidy was a developer at Blizzard or that his actions had lasting systemic consequences that are still being felt by people in the present day.

    Context. *jazz hands* And again, it's immaterial since you don't actually give a shit about what Cassidy did anyway and wouldn't care if he had a namesake were it not for the fact this is occurring in the context it is.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    That's not what people are saying. They are saying if you feel you need to change a name because the person they are named after did something you don't like or was really bad don't fucking rename it after someone a thousand times worse. You own the Washington Redskins and feel the name is offensive and so want to change it that's fine go ahead and do so, just don't change it to someone worse like Washington Subhuman Savages.
    my god then they really should never name any characters after any historical figures ever again...

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    the group being catered to in this instance is.... not sex pests...
    Can people stop using the term Sex pests? It's so hilariously childish sounding that any conversation about this loses all seriousness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    my god then they really should never name any characters after any historical figures ever again...
    I love being told that it's wrong to ask for diversity in video games because artistic integrity but it's fine to scream to high heaven if said artists make a unilateral decision that certain people dislike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Varitok View Post
    Can people stop using the term Sex pests? It's so hilariously childish sounding that any conversation about this loses all seriousness.
    Stop hiring and rewarding sex pests in the video game industry and there won't be a need to use the term. Pretty simple.
    You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're making someone who is likely speaking from personal experience defend themselves against the shitty and oppressive opinion you're too embarrassed to admit you actually believe in. It's you. You're the devil.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Varitok View Post
    Can people stop using the term Sex pests? It's so hilariously childish sounding that any conversation about this loses all seriousness.
    why? it's easier to type out than "serial sexual harassers".

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