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    Creeping radical right authoritarianism

    I was going to put this in the Trump Shitshow thread, but of course it's well beyond Trump now. In their race to head off CRT--which is already NOT being taught in grade schools--lest people learn factual history, here's a list of banned words in a bill Wisconsin Republicans passed on Tuesday:

    Additional Terms
    Additional terms and concepts below that either wholly violate the above clauses, or which may if
    taught through the framework of any of the prohibited activities defined above, partially violate the
    above clauses in what is otherwise broadly defined as “critical race theory”:

    Critical Race Theory (CRT)
    Action Civics
    Social Emotional Learning (SEL)
    Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI)
    Culturally responsive teaching
    Abolitionist teaching
    Affinity groups
    Anti-racism
    Anti-bias training
    Anti-blackness
    Anti-meritocracy
    Obtuse meritocracy
    Centering or de-centering
    Collective guilt
    Colorism
    Conscious and unconscious bias
    Critical ethnic studies
    Critical pedagogy
    Critical self-awareness
    Critical self-reflection
    Cultural appropriation/misappropriation
    Cultural awareness
    Cultural competence
    Cultural proficiency
    Cultural relevance
    Cultural responsiveness
    Culturally responsive practices
    De-centering whiteness
    Deconstruct knowledges
    Diversity focused
    Diversity training
    Dominant discourses
    Educational justice
    Equitable
    Equity
    Examine “systems"
    Free radical therapy
    Free radical self/collective care
    Hegemony

    Identity deconstruction
    Implicit/Explicit bias
    Inclusivity education
    Institutional bias
    Institutional oppression
    Internalized racial superiority
    Internalized racism
    Internalized white supremacy
    Interrupting racism
    Intersection
    Intersectionality
    Intersectional identities
    Intersectional studies
    Land acknowledgment
    Marginalized identities
    Marginalized/Minoritized/Under-represented communities
    Microaggressions
    Multiculturalism
    Neo-segregation
    Normativity
    Oppressor vs. oppressed
    Patriarchy
    Protect vulnerable identities
    Race essentialism
    Racial healing
    Racialized identity
    Racial justice
    Racial prejudice
    Racial sensitivity training
    Racial supremacy
    Reflective exercises
    Representation and inclusion
    Restorative justice
    Restorative practices
    Social justice
    Spirit murdering
    Structural bias
    Structural inequity
    Structural racism
    Systemic bias
    Systemic oppression
    Systemic racism
    Systems of power and oppression
    Unconscious bias
    White fragility
    White privilege
    White social capital
    White supremacy
    Whiteness
    Woke

    Although I do think it would be great if everyone (but Republicans in particular) stopped using the word "woke," banning words altogether is not a great look for the ProudEagleFreedomGunPatriot party. No, it doesn't matter if it won't become law under Evers. Yes, these people are so utterly terrified at the thought of losing their place atop the prevailing hierarchy that they are dead serious about overthrowing democracy and imposing their batshit banal evil on the rest of us. It is an attack on their brithright, after all, to have to share power and the protections and rights in the Constitution with brown people, LGBTQ people, women, and, most unthinkable of all, Democrats.
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    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
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    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Yikes, even critical thinking seems to be a no-no. I guess this really shows who they are: "obey, don't think!"
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    "We're against cancel culture"

    (Unironically bans multiple schools of thought)

    It's just so far beyond self-satire at this point.
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    As I've seen in a meme; banning information about systemic racism is a perfect example of systemic racism.

    If you're supporting banning this list, you're a racist, and probably a fascist racist to boot. If you'll vote for any of the representatives who supported this list, you're at least okay with overt white supremacism and fascism, and frankly, the line between that and just being a white supremacist fascist yourself is so thin as to be meaningless.

    It's really that fucking simple. The only real difference between now and 30 years ago is people aren't pretending otherwise, any more. They think they have the electoral influence to bring white supremacy back as a tentpole of America. And it's up to the American people to stop them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    "We're against cancel culture"
    "But if you say something bad about Trumpbook on Trumpbook, Trumpbook will ban you."

    ...is Trumpbook what we're calling it? Trumpspace? Instatrump? Trumptok?

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    Its scary politicians voted for this, it's wouldn't be out of place in an Orwellian nightmare!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iliena View Post
    Its scary politicians voted for this, it's wouldn't be out of place in an Orwellian nightmare!
    I mean, it's literally what Orwell was driving at when he invented the concept of Newspeak in 1984.

    If you ban the language around an idea, then you can't discuss that idea any more, and society becomes incapable of dealing with that idea.


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    These are the same people who scream to the skies about "censorship" and "cancel culture." I mean, it's true that we probably should have buried "woke" long ago; but you know that this isn't about right-wingers using it like a dirty word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I mean, it's literally what Orwell was driving at when he invented the concept of Newspeak in 1984.

    If you ban the language around an idea, then you can't discuss that idea any more, and society becomes incapable of dealing with that idea.
    He didn't really "invent" much, the Ministry of Truth was largely inspired by his work in BBC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    there are quite a lot of things there that are just totally useless and is just based on ideology though... that really shouldn't be in the curriculum...
    A) What makes you think that's in the curriculum? B) Generally when people decry words / educational curricula as being "useless" and "ideological" they mean students are being exposed to historical realities that have been heretofore buried or ignored in favor of fairy tales that make white people feel better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    As I've seen in a meme; banning information about systemic racism is a perfect example of systemic racism.

    If you're supporting banning this list, you're a racist, and probably a fascist racist to boot. If you'll vote for any of the representatives who supported this list, you're at least okay with overt white supremacism and fascism, and frankly, the line between that and just being a white supremacist fascist yourself is so thin as to be meaningless.

    It's really that fucking simple. The only real difference between now and 30 years ago is people aren't pretending otherwise, any more. They think they have the electoral influence to bring white supremacy back as a tentpole of America. And it's up to the American people to stop them.
    A good chunk of modern anti racist stuff is braindead and a good chunk of concepts are poorly defined so yeah it shouldnt be taught to children until a couple of years when these new concepts get fleshed out more at least

    My personal opinion is that it shouldnt be taught at all but that should be left to educators to decide

    That being said:

    Patriarchy
    Not surprised Republicans refuse to acknowledge the Patriarchy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    A) What makes you think that's in the curriculum? B) Generally when people decry words / educational curricula as being "useless" and "ideological" they mean students are being exposed to historical realities that have been heretofore buried or ignored in favor of fairy tales that make white people feel better.
    Cuz it is? If you understand some of these concepts you would understand. For example this:

    Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI)
    It sounds good in concept but in essence its the idea that race is more important than merit

    Its becoming more common with college admissions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    "But if you say something bad about Trumpbook on Trumpbook, Trumpbook will ban you."

    ...is Trumpbook what we're calling it? Trumpspace? Instatrump? Trumptok?
    Trumpton?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    "We're against cancel culture"

    (Unironically bans multiple schools of thought)

    It's just so far beyond self-satire at this point.
    With that in mind, try to get through this long, contemplative, and completely devoid of self-awareness or introspection love letter to Putin and Orban, because they just "get it," that cancel culture warriors are "America's internal enemies" : https://www.theamericanconservative....lies-wokeness/
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Less of a creep and more of a goose step do t you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Cuz it is? If you understand some of these concepts you would understand. For example this:



    It sounds good in concept but in essence its the idea that race is more important than merit

    Its becoming more common with college admissions
    Those are words and concepts that are banned under the bill they just passed--it doesn't say it's in the curriculum.

    But yikes, back to the point--you're chill with banning words and ideas because you don't agree with them?
    Last edited by Levelfive; 2021-10-24 at 05:33 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    With that in mind, try to get through this long, contemplative, and completely devoid of self-awareness or introspection love letter to Putin and Orban, because they just "get it," that cancel culture warriors are "America's internal enemies" : https://www.theamericanconservative....lies-wokeness/
    Is this the same website that was defending what Canada did to indigenous peoples in the schools?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    Is this the same website that was defending what Canada did to indigenous peoples in the schools?
    Oh god, it could be. And oh my god, that essay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Less of a creep and more of a goose step do t you think?
    Yes. I think this is Germany 1930 and no one in a position to do so is going to do anything to stop it from playing out to its natural conclusion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    A) What makes you think that's in the curriculum? B) Generally when people decry words / educational curricula as being "useless" and "ideological" they mean students are being exposed to historical realities that have been heretofore buried or ignored in favor of fairy tales that make white people feel better.
    You're addressing a suppression technique as if it were an actual argument in good faith. That's roughly comparable to trying to argue with a brick wall that spontaneously manifests nasty graffiti.

    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Those are words and concepts that are banned under the bill they just passed--it doesn't say it's in the curriculum.

    But yikes, back to the point--you're chill with banning words and ideas because you don't agree with them?
    What; did you really believe that the cries of "cancel culture" and "censorship" were ever supposed to apply to anything that they do? Consistency is not a concern here.
    Last edited by Dacia Ultan; 2021-10-24 at 05:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacia Ultan View Post
    You're addressing a suppression technique as if it were an actual argument in good faith. That's roughly comparable to trying to argue with a brick wall that spontaneously manifests nasty graffiti.

    What; did you really believe that the cries of "cancel culture" and "censorship" were ever supposed to apply to anything that they do? Consistency is not a concern here.
    Fair, and well said.

    Moving on in our installment, this is from a couple days ago: Michigan Republicans Are Quietly Replacing Officials Who Certify Vote Totals

    "Like lots of other rank-and-file Republicans, Robert Boyd has his doubts about the integrity of the last election, particularly in his home state of Michigan — and particularly in Detroit’s TCF Center, where the city’s votes were counted last year despite a concerted effort from local Republicans to disrupt the counting process.

    “People saw ballots come in the back door, so, you know, there were cameras in there that people weren’t aware of, that were there,” Boyd told TPM over the phone Tuesday. “They had a bunch hiding under the table. It was not a very pleasant thing to see.”

    But there’s a big difference between Boyd and others who may share his view: The 73-year-old Rockwood, Michigan resident is the newest member of the four-person Wayne County Board of Canvassers, the body responsible for certifying vote totals for Detroit and the surrounding area.

    He’s one of several new members of such boards around the state, chosen by local Republican leaders, who are replacing incumbents who voted to certify the last election under immense, nationwide pressure from their party. The Detroit News first reported on the wave of replacements last week, including incumbents who wanted to be renominated but weren’t.

    Unlike the canvasser he’s replacing, Boyd says he would not have certified the 2020 vote. Even now, after numerous local audits and a Republican-led state Senate investigation found no basis for Donald Trump’s lies about a stolen 2020 election, he remains unconvinced.

    “That’s one side,” Boyd said of the investigation. “The other side, as I say, is thinking that there was some hanky panky going on.”


    Looking at the situation from afar, he added, “there’s a good possibility that things were not up to where they should be — that things were not legal.”

    Boyd noted the numerous affidavits from concerned poll challengers that alleged wrongdoing. He said he figured the affiants had little reason to lie, though he acknowledged that he had only read a few of the documents.

    “That’s a real time-consuming thing there,” Boyd said.

    The appointments of Boyd and the other new county-level canvassers across Michigan follow months of turmoil and wild, false claims over the last election. As in other battlegrounds, Donald Trump and his army of lawyers and GOP officials spun up fraud claims and sought to prevent county and state officials from certifying Joe Biden’s 154,000 thousand-vote victory margin in the state.

    Wayne County’s canvassing board was one of the largest stages for the show.

    The two Republicans on the board, Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, initially voted against certifying the county’s vote totals, creating a 2-2 split with the board’s Democrats.

    After some intense blowback — and claims from Palmer she’d received threats — the Republicans changed their votes. The GOP canvassers also said that the board’s Democratic vice chair assured them that the county’s results would be audited.

    Trump, of course, was ever-present in the saga, lying about there having been more votes than people in Detroit, cheering on the initial refusal to certify in Wayne County, and, after the board voted to affirm Biden’s victory there, calling Palmer personally.

    After that call — which is under the Jan. 6 congressional committee’s microscope — Palmer and Hartmann signed legally ineffectual affidavits claiming they wanted to rescind their certification votes, though the state did not acknowledge those efforts.

    Then, Trump hosted Michigan’s two Republican legislative leaders at the White House, seeking unsuccessfully to have them defy the will of Michigan voters.

    The state canvassing board sealed Biden’s win: One Republican member of the board of canvassers, Norman Shinkle, abstained from voting to certify the results. The other Republican, Aaron Van Langevelde, voted to certify Biden’s win. Van Langevelde was replaced by the state GOP this year.
    ‘You’re A Traitor’

    Hartmann’s term on the county board did not end this year, but Palmer’s did. Ironically, she’s said she wasn’t renominated because she ultimately did certify the last election.

    “I think this is clearly an attempt [to ensure] that I don’t remain on the board of canvassers because I did eventually certify the election,” she told the News recently.


    Palmer told local talk show host Paul W. Smith last week that she was “highly surprised” not to have been renominated to the board.

    In the interview, flagged by the News’ Craig Mauger, she recalled a text she received from the chair of the Michigan’s 11th Congressional District Republican Committee — one of several people tasked with nominating board members — on the night she voted to certify the election.

    “You’re a traitor and I’ll make sure you never hold office within the GOP again,” the text read, according to Palmer.


    “This is exactly what it looks like,” Palmer added. “There are people within the state party who are getting rid of any canvasser that isn’t toeing the line of, ‘we need to stop everything.’”

    Smith asked if she thought Republican officials were seeking board members to contest future elections “if it doesn’t turn out our way,” referring to Republicans.

    “I never thought I’d have to fight the Republicans to hold this seat, right?” Palmer said. “But to find out they’re doing this across the state — what other motive would there be?”


    Boyd, on the phone with TPM Thursday, declined to say whether he personally believed that Trump should have remained in the White House for a second term.

    “As they say in the service, it’s above my paygrade,” Boyd said. “I can’t answer that kind of question. I like to withhold opinions on that kind of stuff, because it is so legally involved.”

    But there was one thing he was sure of, with midterm elections quickly approaching.

    “It’s going to be a tense situation.”


    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/m...fy-vote-totals
    Last edited by Levelfive; 2021-10-24 at 06:00 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    It sounds good in concept but in essence its the idea that race is more important than merit

    Its becoming more common with college admissions
    Admission standards are not curriculum and these actions are being passed for pre-college education in which the right wing is trying to stop kids from learning about history. Critical race theory is a grad school level class and theory it's been around for decades it's just an excuse to white wash history and further a racist agenda.

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