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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Merie View Post
    Eh, the argument wasn't that no product exists, the argument was that this idea of video cards being widely available again in the future for the prices we used to have a year ago is basically over and done with and will never return to the old status quo, even after the semiconductor shortage works its way out. You drove for miles and camped out and waited and still paid over $1000 after converting from Pounds for a card that wasn't even top of the stack. Heck I could get a solid mid range card like a gtx 1060 for just $250 a year or so ago. Now a mid range card today like the 3060 hovers between twice that at MSRP for everything but the few Founders that exist. That's even before any scalpers enter the equation. As far as OP's question is concerned, no. Cards are never going back to old prices.
    And there was the great RAM shortage 15 years ago. Prices were up to 3x the normal. Prices recover. There are way more people waiting than there are buying. It's a shortage. Prices will recover I think it's two years away.
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    People have shown they are willing to pay these prices.. So I'd expect no return to the past, they'll always dangle a new tech or something and try to justify a crazy price for it. Then mid range few years later comes with the same power at near 600-800 dollars and low end will be 400 dollars. All I can say is welcome to the future, we caused this by giving them money when we should've said no and let prices fall.

    But we'll see a drop at least to MSRPs near the 2nd half of 2022. Or at least should. But as I said I fully expect a 4090 to be $1999, a 4080ti to be $1499, a 4080 to be $999 and a 3070 to be $699. And AMD equivalents to be roughly $200 cheaper if they are roughly the same power. I'd usually say I'd hope not, but I've lost hope.

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    Prices will go down eventually, but yes Nvidia/AMD/Intel sure learned the lesson - people are ready to pay up.
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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommi View Post
    *Glances at the MSI Gaming X Trio in my system that I got on launch day by walking into a shop*

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    Eh, smart people knew the card were in limited stock and were gonna sell out super fast. Fuck, I drove from Edinburgh to Manchester to get my card. I knew there would be a queue outside Scan for them. I got down early around 10am, enquired when they went on sale and how many they had and was offered a ticket to get a garenteed card of my choosing from what they had. Turned out they only had 20 of each, the MSI I got and an Asus one. I was number 10 in queue.
    I bought my 3080 from scan a couple weeks ago for £1000. Seemed like the most reasonable retailer in the UK and they aren't getting any cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Prices will go down eventually, but yes Nvidia/AMD/Intel sure learned the lesson - people are ready to pay up.
    That's likely the biggest takeaway. The cards are flying off the shelves even above initial MSRP; whenever it's because of scalpers reselling them or people wanting to avoid said scalpers matters very little to manufacturers. People want cards, they got cards, that allows them to dictate prices to a large degree. Expect the 40xx generation to have inflated prices from the get-go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willtron View Post
    I bought my 3080 from scan a couple weeks ago for £1000. Seemed like the most reasonable retailer in the UK and they aren't getting any cheaper.
    I got super lucky tbh. I had planned to leave around 10am to get down for just before 2pm for when they went on sale, but I couldn't sleep. Decided I'd head down at 6am, and got down around 10am, went in and got my new PSU and NVME drive. I then enquired about when the 3080's were going ons ale and how many they had and which ones. The guy serving me said that I could get a ticket to come back at 2pm and be garenteed a card, as they knew demand would be high and they wouldn't have enough. I got ticket number 10. Went to the railway station nearby and had a sleep til 1:30pm, then headed back to scan, and there was a massive queue there already, a good 50 people at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Prices will go down eventually, but yes Nvidia/AMD/Intel sure learned the lesson - people are ready to pay up.
    And they already toying with that. Nvidia for example no longer realeased an entrance GPU, the RTX 3050 is exclusive for laptops, no equivalent for desktops. They already making profict of that, they want people to pay...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    And they already toying with that. Nvidia for example no longer realeased an entrance GPU, the RTX 3050 is exclusive for laptops, no equivalent for desktops. They already making profict of that, they want people to pay...
    That more has do with fab shortages.

    Nvidia did bring back 2060 and 1050 from the dead to plug in that hole for the meanwhile.

    While there is most certainly margins game going on, it's not the only reason for all this situation.
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  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by The One Percent View Post
    No, this is the new norm thanks to miners and scalpers. That's why I decided to set up a bot of my own, since it was the only way to get GPUs at MSRP. Started scalping cards myself, and you would be amazed how fast they get sold even at 2-3x MSRP.
    Don't forget the global microchip shortage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    And they already toying with that. Nvidia for example no longer realeased an entrance GPU, the RTX 3050 is exclusive for laptops, no equivalent for desktops. They already making profict of that, they want people to pay...
    They only had so much fab time, and they prioritized the higher profit margin products over the entry-level stuff

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    Yes! You can say that, it is a new normal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPaladinGuy View Post
    You really don't even need to if you have a worthwhile PC, Sony's clearly changed its mind about console exclusivity and Microsoft did that years ago.
    Well you can't get a worthwhile PC either.

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    On the bright side the most significant releases PC is having are remasters and ps4 game ports - so at least you won't need a new card any time soon

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    Very deceptive title, you have to watch it all the way to the end to really make sense of what he is saying but is this the absurd future of GPUs!?

    Probably not, I hope not, but you can see the elements appearing. Not least because GPUs are somewhat consumables and Nvidia has a bit of a mission statement to actually get it's product into the hands of gamers I think this will not happen but you know, right now they are getting that exclusive feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    If you live near a Microcenter, they do a daily lottery which can help you get a card at a reasonable cost. Otherwise, I suggest signing up for EVGA's queue system.

    All that being said, a 1070ti is still a very capable card, and the only reason I would upgrade is if you're playing at 1440p or higher resolutions.

    I am one of those dirty miners, but I have only bought cards from the EVGA queue(three), and four from Microcenter. Two of which I bought for friends who are in similar situations as you and other folks. But I only invested a few k into it, and it already paid for itself within 4 months, which is crazy to me.
    And unfortunately, the EVGA que system is currently not taking anymore names due to their own backlog =D

    DOH! Missed that one too! But i'll keep checking back.

    My own 7+ year old computer is on its last legs, and chugging to keep up with some of the newer game releases of the last year (but can still play on moderate settings usually fine lol) - not sure I can wait till 2022/2023 to build a new one. So this que system would work for me!

    Just hate the idea of spending double the price of the whole rig on just the card. Normally I could build the *whole* rig for about 1-1200K US and that lasts at least 5-6 years able to play most video games pretty dang well - so the idea of the whole system being LESS than the cost of the video card just makes me twitch.

    And consoles - ugg. Not an option for me, I really don't care for them. So one way or another - I'll pay it. I'll just try NOT to pay 2K US for the card =D.
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    I checked the used market prices and saw how much 2080Ti sells for. It's crazy.
    I bought a 1 year old 2080Ti for €600 back in August 2020 when people were mass-selling their cards for 3xxx series
    I sold it a week week ago for €960
    But then I bought 3080 for €1400. I figured that it mines a bit better, it has 45% more performance in 4k and also a longer warranty so it's worth paying €500.

  17. #57
    If decent cards are pricing lots of folks out of the market I would think that that would hurt game sales to the extent that they stop developing games that require cards that most of their player base can't afford. Eventually that comes back and bites the card makers. But that will take 2-3 years so don't hold your breath.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by JDL49 View Post
    If decent cards are pricing lots of folks out of the market I would think that that would hurt game sales to the extent that they stop developing games that require cards that most of their player base can't afford. Eventually that comes back and bites the card makers. But that will take 2-3 years so don't hold your breath.
    But how many games are PC exclusive? I would wager that the majority of big budget AAA games are available on consoles. Also it is in the interests of PC game devs to make games that are playable by the widest possible audience so they will not be developing games that require the latest and greatest GPUs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDL49 View Post
    If decent cards are pricing lots of folks out of the market I would think that that would hurt game sales to the extent that they stop developing games that require cards that most of their player base can't afford. Eventually that comes back and bites the card makers. But that will take 2-3 years so don't hold your breath.
    There is allready a solution for BUDGET vs ENTHUSIAST GPU gamers: RTX.

    Look at CP2077, a potatoe system can still run it and if you want the real eyecandy with full featured RTX effects, you need a 3080/3090 just for ULTRA 1080p (~60-70fps nothing crazy).

    I think thats where it is going. People with lower end GPUs will have to settle on normal game engines, while high end systems will be able to use full RTX featurd engines at playable frame rate.

    But of course, its not really playing the same game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ange View Post

    Does it look like the same gaming experience to you?
    Nope, hence why I don't want any type of ray-tracing till a game is designed around using it. While the bottom picture might look more realistic, I do like the upper picture more.

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